Collateral22
Member
These agencies must really suck at their jobs then if they can't catch a bunch of teenagers gloating on the internet for what, 9 months now?
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Lizard Squad DDOS Brings Down multiple Daybreak Studios titles
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These agencies must really suck at their jobs then if they can't catch a bunch of teenagers gloating on the internet for what, 9 months now?
AmaterasuOni
Banned
They've already caought quite many. But they're like Anonymous, the more fame they get, the more kiddies they'll hire. Lulzsec fell this way. FBI got their boss who then turned into a rat and gave everyone up. FBI might already have their mole inside, so they just wait and get more evidence. We'll see.
They will get caught, but what kind of punishment they're getting is just a guess. At least they're considered as terrorists after that bomb threat so they might get what they deserve.
Sephiroth_VII
Member
What many of you don't seem to understand is this: In the Scandinavian countries, which has the lowest reoffending rate in the world, a sentence isn't handed out for the sake of the victim. It's for the sake of the offender. The idea is that, if someone has done something bad, they need to be put on the right course as quickly as possible.
The absolute worst way to achieve this is locking them up with a bunch of other people who have done bad stuff, so it's seen as a last resort. Even when people are locked up, the prison should be made to resemble the outside world as much as possible. That means both responsibilities and freedoms, room for jobs and hobbies, and yes, a prison cell that, to many outsiders, looks way too much like a dorm room or small apartment.
You may want a hard sentence, but it has been proved time and time again that longer sentences increases reoffending rates, and do next to nothing to deter crime. It just doesn't work. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. If a society wants to lessen crime, it needs to treat its criminals well, and not punish them so much as rehabilitate them. Part of that rehabilitation could be therapy, meeting the victims they've hurt, and living in a controlled environment(prison) for a while to get their life back on track.
I say this based on numerous studies. Just Google a bit before you post, and you will hopefully realise that, although not very satisfying for the victim, this system is the best solution we know of for society as a whole.
The absolute worst way to achieve this is locking them up with a bunch of other people who have done bad stuff, so it's seen as a last resort. Even when people are locked up, the prison should be made to resemble the outside world as much as possible. That means both responsibilities and freedoms, room for jobs and hobbies, and yes, a prison cell that, to many outsiders, looks way too much like a dorm room or small apartment.
You may want a hard sentence, but it has been proved time and time again that longer sentences increases reoffending rates, and do next to nothing to deter crime. It just doesn't work. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. If a society wants to lessen crime, it needs to treat its criminals well, and not punish them so much as rehabilitate them. Part of that rehabilitation could be therapy, meeting the victims they've hurt, and living in a controlled environment(prison) for a while to get their life back on track.
I say this based on numerous studies. Just Google a bit before you post, and you will hopefully realise that, although not very satisfying for the victim, this system is the best solution we know of for society as a whole.
The Lamonster
Member
Literal terrorists are back at it.
I'll admit, I cracked a guilty smile when they first started DDoSing and the main man behind it was just sitting at a Starbucks the whole day tweeting openly with pictures of him eating food and coffee.
But causing people's life to be in danger is overboard. Not to mention all they are just fucking script kiddies who think what they're doing is cool or demonstrating their prowess.
Obnoxious losers.
I'll admit, I cracked a guilty smile when they first started DDoSing and the main man behind it was just sitting at a Starbucks the whole day tweeting openly with pictures of him eating food and coffee.
But causing people's life to be in danger is overboard. Not to mention all they are just fucking script kiddies who think what they're doing is cool or demonstrating their prowess.
Obnoxious losers.
There are some major issues in the Finnish justice system. The most obvious is a near-complete lack of punishment for sexual offences including rape. The other is dependency on suspended sentences. A suspended sentence in the Finnish system is effectually a lesser punishment than a fine. So while locking up people is bad, there are other options than "nothing". The most obvious is community service, which would probably help this kid a lot.
VibratingDonkey
Member
I reckon what matters the most is the percentage of members who get caught.
If lulsec and lizard both were to get dismantled following legal actions, then that's probably somewhat deterring for other shitheads contemplating crime and terrorism groups.
So I hope this Julius asshole is helpful in creating further investigations into more members.
If lulsec and lizard both were to get dismantled following legal actions, then that's probably somewhat deterring for other shitheads contemplating crime and terrorism groups.
So I hope this Julius asshole is helpful in creating further investigations into more members.
I would have known better at the age of 12 at the oldest...probably even at a much younger age.
The problem is, you're comparing different types of crimes. You can't compare the recidivism rates of violent offenders or theives with that of hackers.
One group tends to do things due to environment, while the hackers do it because of some warped ideology. That's not something you can rehabilitate.
Thieves can be taught skills so they dont have to steal ... Most don't want to steal in the first place, that's why rehabilitation works.
These hackers WANT to do what they're doing. A light sentence only reonforces their beliefs.
many places
Member
Sounds like a place where someone with no moral compass could thrive.
The glaring flaw in this ideology is the assumption that everyone inherently wants to do good.
It looks like they're planning another attack, they just tweeted this an hour ago.
Awesome... Guess i'm scratching DCUO of my playlist tonight...
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
Banned
"look at me mom!"
Mercury Fred
Banned
I was wondering the same thing.
Life in prison with no chance of parole would be best for these little shits.
Is it just DCU or all Of Daybreak's games?
drotahorror
Member
Nothing works. People still murder others over a pair of shoes or getting cut off on the freeway. These people know the consequences but still go through with it. People are only asking for criminals to serve the time they deserve.
demigod
Member
Probably all since i'm playing EverQuest.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Sometimes punishment is the cure.
GraveHorizon
poop meter feature creep
I'm upset after seeing so many people denying any sort of real repercussions for a person that commits potentially life-ruining acts of CYBER TERRORISM. Grounding a plane with a bomb threat isn't a grade school prank. Messing with a person's financial information is very serious. This shit needs to be treated like it is: a real life crime of harassment against other human beings. At the very minimum, no computer access. And real jail time.
Where's the
pedophile hate squad/lynch mob? They should bring in their rash desire to dole out punishment to a situation in which the people involved are confirmed to have actually done something wrong and can with 100% certainty be assumed to commit the same acts in the future given the lack of existing tangible consequences.
Where's the
suspected
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
He had his credit destroyed? Wtf... I can't even imagine after how I've struggled financially to keep my credit solid to have some cunt on the Internet flush it all down the drain.
RealityCheque
Banned
It looks like they're planning another attack, they just tweeted this an hour ago.
Gosh they are super cool!!
It looks like they're planning another attack, they just tweeted this an hour ago.
Just another day in the life of a worthless scumbag.
krypt0nian
Banned
It looks like they're planning another attack, they just tweeted this an hour ago.
This message sponsored by the Finnish justice system.
Liberty4all
Banned
I hope PlanetSide 2 doesn't go down again.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hippies are about pacifism more often than not. Hipster maybe?
Wow... Wow.
canedaddy
Member
It's not "punishment" to remove dangerous individuals from society. It's a means of protecting innocent people who might be harmed by those individuals in the future.
Normally I don't care whatever criminal justice system a country has, but this kid is a terrorist. He needs to be treated like one.
Also if someone gets in trouble for something and continues to do the same thing, what rehabilitation has been done?
Dreamwriter
Member
But, there is no rehabilitation here. The guy has literally no punishment or rehabilitation program whatsoever. He was given a suspended sentence, this means he goes home, gets on the computer, gets with his friends, and does more crimes, but this time trying harder not to get caught. And this for being a repeat offender convicted of thousands of crimes! The system can't work if it does nothing at all to criminals, nor does it show other potential criminals that they shouldn't do bad things.
RipperGrim
Member
Lol people just know that literally nothing is being done about these attacks, his sentence was a joke and in no way is it deterring anything here.
DidntKnowJack
Member
This will be the last time I post about LS, they don't deserve this attention. And that's what they seek, and we're giving it to them. The hell with these kids, they're terrorists and I hope they meet a very cruel end. And I don't give a shit who finds that shocking or vigilante justice-like, these people are terrorizing people. This is no longer about simple insignificant things like DDOSing game servers. Anyway, that's all the attention I'm willing to give these people, stop giving them what they want. It only spurs them on.
First off, if you read what other people had posted, he hasn't even had a trial for any of the threats yet, hence the light sentence. It's very possible he could face a harsher term if he's convicted on those counts as well. Second, even if that were to be the maximum sentence he receives, how do you know what the outcome will be before his sentence has even begun?
Dreamwriter
Member
Maybe you missed the fact that there is no sentence at all to begin? How can there be an outcome to...nothing? His sentence was suspended. This means nothing happens to him unless he is caught doing another crime.
Last time I checked my dictionary, suspended meant the same thing as postponed, as in, to be given at a later date. Again, he can still face trial for the other charges. And since he won't be considered a first-timer now, they're more likely to take action sooner.
Dreamwriter
Member
You need a legal dictionary: Suspending a sentence prior to the execution means that a judge has decided on a sentence, but has refrained from actually carrying it out. And I was responding to your point that even if this is the maximum sentence given, how do we know the outcome before it is started? That point assumes he receives no more sentences.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
They're not given free passes. They won't be saying that if they're caught and given probation. Their bravado is from being anonymous. They're still fearful of being caught. If they weren't fearful they would give their names.