DidntKnowJack
Member
I find the "he's just a minor" argument a bit weak. Yes he's only 17, but that's old enough to know right from wrong, surely.
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Lizard Squad member convicted for Christmas attacks on PSN, Xbox Live
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PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
No, you don't understand. within 1 year he would have developed his adult brain that will be able to distinguish what is right and wrong. 17 year olds are just kids. Trust me, i'm an expert.
I thought he had swatted someone?
Dick Justice
Banned
Read the OP?
BaronMonstro
Member
Thanks for the article, I'm reading through it at the moment, I'm glad there seems to be more of an emphasis in rehabilitation there as opposed to many other places.
Zambayoshi
Member
My concern is that a suspended sentence may not be effective as a deterrent, particularly given his age of 17. I'd have preferred that he be given some other non-custodial sentence such as community service (in addition to having to speak out against cyber-crime).
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
He should spend some time in a prison, even if it's a cushy Finnish prison. Just putting him on probation (kinda) with nothing besides a vague order to "fight against cyber crime" isn't going to fix anything no matter what country you're in. I imagine you actually have to go to a Finnish prison to receive the rehabilitation they're so good at giving.
Don't be full of shit mate, nobody is saying that.
Did I misunderstand your post? I read it as "It's more important for the victims to get retribution above all else". Sorry if I misinterpreted your intent.
The Crimson Beast
Banned
Ha! no ps4 games for him! justice served follks.
freshVeggie
Member
17? He's just a kid. Having this on record is gonna punish him way further in his life.
Goodacre0081
Member
bullshit. ban this little fuckface from using a computer for 10 years
MillionStabs
Banned
yeahthatmakessense.mp4
Deterrence blatantly doesn't work, risk takers rarely if ever take risks thinking about the consequences, and the difference between 10 years and 40 years jail is irrelevant to them at the time they commit the crime. It's probably the worst justification for stricter sentences out there. The entire legal profession is heavily in favour of lighter sentences from top to bottom because they see how much good locking someone up is doing, jack all.
HighResTomato
Member
In Europe we don't send people to die in prison for internet crimes.
A better punishment would be having him personally pay all those he affected for their time he wasted.
Even me. I'll settle for $20 an hour.
He swatted at least one person. He should be in hard jail doing hard time. Swatting is really serious. It should be considered attempted murder or something along those lines.
Swatting isn't some innocuous internet mischief to be filed under 'boys will be boys'. It's really serious, it's really violating, and it could really get someone killed. If you swat someone, you should do hard time.
Swatting isn't some innocuous internet mischief to be filed under 'boys will be boys'. It's really serious, it's really violating, and it could really get someone killed. If you swat someone, you should do hard time.
shadow2810
Member
Can someone clarify this? Sounds like something you could put on resume to get a job with big paycheck here ie."assisted fbi to track down crime" or something.
Pathfinder
Member
That must be why hackers know to go there to stay out of jail.
He's probably ratting out the rest of his reptilian friends, thus a mild sentence. He is a terrorist nonetheless, those SWAT raids are no joke and should be punished accordingly. Kind of sad that some Europeans here aren't taking death threats in the gaming community all that seriously.
I don't know. Like I see where people are coming from with justice being about rehabilitation and not revenge. I agree. But this guy is not even serving any jail time.
The fact that people are defending this and saying he got enough punishment, it just seems insane. It's easy to trivialize that he "ruined people Xmas cuz he took down stupid video games"....but really, these guys were having a major impact on economies by bringing things to a halt. Even if it's just entertainment services, they are disrupting worldwide services which impacts a market.
It seems insane that it's okay to do that, show no remorse, and then get less than a slap on the wrist. Seems crazy.
He kept us from playing our toys on Christmas morning!
Velcro Fly
Member
Dude was responsible for SWATting people
Like how in the fuck does he get zero jail time and people are okay with that. Someone could have been killed over dumb bullshit this kid did for lulz. A few months in jail would have matured him very quick methinks.
Like how in the fuck does he get zero jail time and people are okay with that. Someone could have been killed over dumb bullshit this kid did for lulz. A few months in jail would have matured him very quick methinks.
He swatted someone at least once... Did you read the article? How would you feel if cops busted in your door and pointed guns at you and screamed in your face? Would you be cool with the guy who did it getting no real punishment? Yes?
entremet
Member
He's a minor.
Showing remorse is useless. What matters is real rehabilitation and lowering recidivism and it seems Finland knows what its doing by the stats.
Yeah. That's fucked up. You also have to weigh that against the fact that he is a kid.
So, why should he not do it again?
I'm not calling for the death penalty or life in prison. Just seems insane to not serve any jail time, or have any repercussions at all. So I'm wondering what they are doing to rehabilitate him?
Do you honestly thing this punishment is going to do that for this kid? 2 years without his toys?
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Wrong. Just wrong.
Deterrence won't work against some people for sure.
It broadly works though. If it didn't people would just go around doing what ever they wanted all the time.
Put a visible speed camera on a road and some people probably will chance it.
Most people won't. It works less if there is a very small chance of detection, is that what you're thinking of?
Velcro Fly
Member
On top of that does two years probation really deter anyone else from doing shit like this? SWAT someone it's no big deal right only a couple years probation after I cop a plea.
Should have been at least 90 days in jail.
Should have been at least 90 days in jail.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
1 year prison. 1 year rehabilitation when he comes out
Stallion Dan
Member
An example needs to be made of him. Fuck his life up. Send him to prison, ban him from ever using the internet again.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
oh, so you're an expert now? please enlighten me.
When something like this potentially causes millions of dollars in losses for the companies targeted, yeah. It kind of IS a serious business. Not sure how that isn't obvious.
Again, he didn't just "inconvenience some gamers." And if he really did "SWAT" someone, he put someones life at risk too.
He wouldn't be going to a US prison. He'd be going to a Finish prision. AKA a hotel.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
It's not a controversial topic: rehabilitation works.
https://www.salve.edu/sites/default/files/filesfield/documents/Incarceration_and_Recidivism.pdf
Having punishment be part of the equation is just petty. Accept people can better themselves. Being petty does nothing except make you look bad.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
He made it so people couldn't play video games for a few hours.
Wait, he made it so people couldn't play video games online for a few hours. Totally making lives hard. Somebody could make an error and do more damage.
By this reasoning, Verizon should be in jail because they throttle Netflix traffic. It's not exactly life-disrupting.
levyjl1988
Banned
Agreed I miss the good ol' days of public hangings. The times got soft. Instead of physical torture it's all mental now.
In order to send a message it has to be a strong display of it.
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