There's no goal post, sure, but they figured out how to make food taste like food and how to build stuff. It would be nice to see them at least try to get out of the game. They don't seem to bothered with that at all so it kind of breaks my suspension of disbelief.
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There's no goal post, sure, but they figured out how to make food taste like food and how to build stuff. It would be nice to see them at least try to get out of the game. They don't seem to bothered with that at all so it kind of breaks my suspension of disbelief.
Maybe the real world doesn't even exist anymore...
Admiral Woofington
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I think the issue here is that within the rules of the world what can they possibly do? They're having a hard enough time trying to survive and keeping the economy going. They could get a bunch of their geniuses together and all they could really do is theorize why they are there and how they got there. They're gonna need incredible technology/magic to get out of this situation. And right now they only recently discovered that other forms of technology/magic can be developed with in-game skills.
They've already been pushing the boundaries of the original game. I think they've gotten a bit too complacent for belief. Keeping up morale is one thing, but their events and what not seem to be getting extravagant. No one actually appears to be bothered with getting back to the real world either. We get snippets occasionally and that's about it. I just find that harder to ignore than others I suppose.
As much shit as I give SAO, at least in the first half of season one they were, for the most part anyway, concerned with gtfo the game.
As much shit as I give SAO, at least in the first half of season one they were, for the most part anyway, concerned with gtfo the game.
Trojita
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In SAO they knew why they got where they were and they were told "how to" get out. Two totally different situations.
They have no idea how they ended up in this world or why. Some characters wouldn't even want to leave, like Tohya and I'm guessing
Soujirou, I mean the guy has a harem even if he is a psychopath.
Consider that the crafting/research guilds are looking and examining strange things happening in the world, and that Shiroe himself knows the 'world level' magic, it's not like the characters themselves aren't looking for clues or possibilities. But they weren't given a giant blinking quest icon over somebody's head that just allows them to go home. It's kind of like asking "Don't you people want to cure cancer?" Of course there are people who want to cure cancer. But how?
Don't some players want to go home? Of course there are players who want to go home. The guy who cried about how he spent every Christmas with his family is one of them. So tell him how?
The actions taken by Shiroe with the raid right now is to protect and sustain the healthy, happy environment of Akihabara from external pressure so that the population can stay mentally and physically healthy while looking for a way homebecause they don't know how long they are going to be stuck here. If you are going to be in a bad situation you might as well be comfortable in that bad situation.
With Log Horizon, it seems like they had a ton more to deal with outside of just getting out of the game. I mean, the first massive obstacle was issues was just navigating the game world. Since this wasn't a VR game like SAO and was played on a normal PC, characters had no clue how to easily call up commands and sometimes had to even adjust or change their characters to match their real life bodies.
With SAO, they were familiar with how the online world had been presented to them and the only course correction was not getting killed before getting out. Log Horizon had players dealing with the constructs of the world itself, other players, NPCs, and community events that still ran. I think it is actually unfair to relate SAO to Log Horizon because of how much depth LH has over just a gtfo plotline, especially because they still have next to no clues as to why the Apocalypse happened or how to reverse it.
Elder Tale is essentially a living, breathing world that the players have to overcome before they'll be able to get back home.
Found the episode was a bit clunky and cheesy in a few parts - some questionable dialogue.
BUT.
I *really* like where they are going with the lore. The fact that the world is changing around them and we are seeing those impacts is really, really cool.
I can't say I'm a bit Akatsuki fan but I'm glad she is developing - she recognized that she was too reliant on Shiroe, so hopefully we can see more growth from her.
They are gonna catch up with the light novels soon, aren't they? What then? Guess we will have to wait a long time for more, huh?
BUT.
I *really* like where they are going with the lore. The fact that the world is changing around them and we are seeing those impacts is really, really cool.
I can't say I'm a bit Akatsuki fan but I'm glad she is developing - she recognized that she was too reliant on Shiroe, so hopefully we can see more growth from her.
They are gonna catch up with the light novels soon, aren't they? What then? Guess we will have to wait a long time for more, huh?
Log Horizon Season 2, Episode 7:
Oh yes, now we are hitting the stride full tilt and I am being reminded of why Log Horizon is such a fabulous show. Indeed, we are learning about how deep this flavor text issue is going and it is very troublesome. There are many questions behind this, not the least of which is who or what is behind it. The possibilities this change opens up is quite staggering. I will be blunt in my suspicions I think this whole affair is a plot hatched by The South for a larger goal. Indeed, I think the real purpose for this plot is to get the magical barrier dropped around Akihabara and thus make it vulnerable to invasion. I do have to say that in spite of the chunkiness of some of this arc I am glad it is a thing that exists as it is giving many supporting characters some time to shine. Like I think Riese is quickly becoming one of my favorites out of this season. Speaking of such things I am assuming that the random lesbian couple who showed up late are important for something as they are already more defined then most of the West Wind Bridge. Another thing I like here is that this raid plan was concocted by the Round Table independent of any machinations of Shiore. It shows that others can enact grand plans of their own without his help. Yes, if Log Horizon can keep up this pace by the end of the year, it may just be my AOTY.
Admiral Woofington
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The show just doesn't do it for me as it used to S1. Maybe once the focus switches back to Shiroe I'll get interested again but I find myself bored to tears with all of these side characters.
Akatsuki getting character development is good, but she just isn't nearly as interesting fo a main character as Shiroe, yet the season has largely focused on her. Unfortunate, but I'm still enjoying it.
I feel like Leneissia is different front last season though. Maybe I just forget what she was like last year but she seems so much more insecure and indecisive about everything.
I feel like Leneissia is different front last season though. Maybe I just forget what she was like last year but she seems so much more insecure and indecisive about everything.
Lenessiea was a princess who just wanted to sleep in her room. Ot ales since she would act this way as she didn't do anything before.
And I'm enjoying this season. I like akatsuki so whatever!
Still whenever it goes back to the raid it'll be nice.
Last season she was mostly just letting herself pushed around. Now she makes her own decisions.
A bit of speculation :
This is obviously a plot to rob Akihabara of their GM protection, but who would want this? The South? And if so, how did they manage to get the banker clan to join them?
Also with the flavour text change, that
new sword
I'm not entirely sure if the masked shopkeeper Akatsuki has dealt with is a player or NPC, but if the latter, things should take an interesting turn - in some games those are pretty strong.
And if I understood a flashback correctly, looks like buildings aren't the only major gold sinks of the new world...
And if I understood a flashback correctly, looks like buildings aren't the only major gold sinks of the new world...
razgriz417
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Seriously, how exactly are raid weapons sellable? That game economy musta been hella screwy haha. Imagine trying to roll against 23 other people because everyone wants to sell the weap...
Slow ep but still enjoyed it, glad to see that we'll have some more action in the next ep
razgriz417
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ah true, coulda been a ploy all along. Thought that would still mean that raid weapons are not bind on pickup
Speculation intensifies!
Log Horizon s2 01-02
Finally took some time to catch up a little... actually, LH has been on my mind a lot lately. I really fucking like this anime, even though I think the adaptation does legitimately have some issues with the way it presents the stakes of not-dying - the Light Novels do a lot better.
I really like the creepy old sage man, I thought he was so evil when he first turned up, now I just think he's hilarious. His comedy act with Nao was so great. Though I suppose he could still be evil or something... but probably not.
The lolrandom healer girl who showed up out of nowhere was a bit odd, but sometimes things just happen i guess
Finally took some time to catch up a little... actually, LH has been on my mind a lot lately. I really fucking like this anime, even though I think the adaptation does legitimately have some issues with the way it presents the stakes of not-dying - the Light Novels do a lot better.
I really like the creepy old sage man, I thought he was so evil when he first turned up, now I just think he's hilarious. His comedy act with Nao was so great. Though I suppose he could still be evil or something... but probably not.
The lolrandom healer girl who showed up out of nowhere was a bit odd, but sometimes things just happen i guess
DeadPhoenix
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You don't roll against 23 other people because that means you are probably getting kicked out of the guild you did the raid with. At least that is how it work in FFXI(where, thanks to jobs, everyone in the raid could potential use the item as well). Bind on pick up was rare(i'm taking maybe 10% of all equipment, probably less) and was called something else completely(in FFXI they were EX items, aka Exclusive) and bind on equip just flat out did not exist. Elder Tale was clearly made long before WoW showed up and ruined mmos, things were quite a bit different back then. That said, people jacking items worth millions of gold or w/e and jumping to a new server was not completely unheard of...
Yeah.
Really, when the first episode of this season aired the last volume to officially come out was 7. And this season is covering up to 9 (the author posts the story chapter by chapter on his website, then later edits them for official publication).
Given the author's other work, I thought initially in S2E01 when the Sage started talking about the money fountain, that Shiroe would start pointing out about how inflationary the economy was going to get and how weird it was to not have the currency pegged to a an actual standard. But I guess since money is pouring into magical money sinks for the guild halls and facilities, a completely realistic economy was probably always beyond the pale anyway 
Given the author's other work, I thought initially in S2E01 when the Sage started talking about the money fountain, that Shiroe would start pointing out about how inflationary the economy was going to get and how weird it was to not have the currency pegged to a an actual standard. But I guess since money is pouring into magical money sinks for the guild halls and facilities, a completely realistic economy was probably always beyond the pale anyway
The Author might have never had played Final Fantasy XI.
Watched up to episode 5, this shit's still fucking real. I still think the anime doesn't quite get the balance between consequence/dying/respawning quite right, possibly as a side effect of not being in the character's heads all the time; that said, it's way better at the actual MMO stuff and building a sense of action than the light novel (translations that I've read; I don't know about Yen's build yet) so idk, whatever.
Log Horizon Season 2, Episode 8:
I will say this, this episode did not skimp on the action, which usually a problem for this series. I am still annoyed on how we were denied the epic battle at the end of The Return of the Goblin King arc. As I said last episode it is refreshing to see a grand team plan not arise from the mind of Shiroe. It is one of the subtler ways Log Horizon is better then Sword Art Online, the supporting cast isn't useless. Anyway, Akasuki has completed her arc and learned her Teaching and I will not the irony in it being Naruto's multi-ninja jitsu thingy. I know they are having a big celebration now that the murderous member of the Kunie Clan has been put on ice and the cursed katana destroyed but I can't help but feel that a Xanatos Gambit has been played and the Round Table has walked into it. Granted they know the risks of deactivating the magical barrier but I don't think they connected the conspiratorial dots either. Anyway, yea, we are at last down with Akasuki and finally get back to see what the hell Shiore has been up to lately.
oh man so much action packed fighting scenes and that music to boot with it.
I think i'm gonna go find that music somewhere and use it as my raid music from now on when I'm playing FFXIV...
I think i'm gonna go find that music somewhere and use it as my raid music from now on when I'm playing FFXIV...
I also like the fact that crafters can change the flavor text to suit their needs since flavor text in this world can come true
The armor allows him to teleport. If he teleports at 1% HP to an unknown location they would have to start over from scratch.
I guess. But hitting the sword wouldn't take HP down would it? Doubt he would have realized it either. Oh well. Still enjoyed it. Wonder what the consequences will be.
razgriz417
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Great ep and having blacksmiths being able to rewrite flavor text should be interesting for this show. Wonder if someone will try to make an op/armor set. Lol I just realized atkatsuki's weapon is essentially a scraping spear 
Wouldn't the guy's armour also have durability? It could be worn down with a few wipes, but I guess people don't like dying? Seems like a pretty big negative to turn of your magical protection field.
I believe the sword was a drop from a early expansion pack. So the sword might have just been grandfathered into the market at some point
DeadPhoenix
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I'm guessing breaking armor and weapons isn't that easy, even with a weapon built for it. So to actually break it, she needed to be able to really at hammer it. And if he could teleport at any time, just trapping him wouldn't be enough(At that point it should be really obvious what they are trying to do, so he'd just poof away).
Elder's Tale is a very old school mmo game and the show creator apparently played Everquest back in the day, so I'm certain that the game was just built before bind on equip/bind on pick up items became a norm, and there isn't really any good reason to add that in as a feature later especially if it was a big part of the games economy.
NeonZ
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It's just using old skills in ways that weren't formerly possible when it was a standard game.
Akatsuki's Teaching, for example, is based on a movement ability "Hide Shadow". In Elders Tale, it was just a movement ability that couldn't be used at the same time as anything else, but, now, since she has direct control of her character, she could move and attack at once while using that ability. Then the world's game systems acknowledges that as a new skill (although I'm pretty sure this last part was anime-only. The Teachings don't seem to be recognized as official skills in the novel).
Just like cooking can now be done without the actual subclass, so can new combat moves be made by people. Instead of using the skills she had Akatsuki combined 2 of her abilities and the game accepted it as a new one. That's why it's something you cannot learn.
Thus it is another reinforcement of how rapidly the world has been changing. This really is one of the most exciting parts of Log Horizon, this living, breathing, adapting world.
The thing is, the game seems to be rapidly changing to remove "game"-y aspects and I don't want that to completely disappear.
I thought the armor was insanely strong because of the magic circle?
Thus ends the worst arc so far in the anime. Jeez it's been a while since I read the sixth LN, but I remember thinking it was pretty good by the time I finished it. I guess this is just a case of terrible adaption and too much anime only padding, because these last few episodes just made me cringe whenever Akatsuki or Leynessia started monologuing, both of them were insufferable. Now we can get back to a real high level raid,
but what I'm most looking forward to is best party ever's wacky adventures in China.
The sword covered itself in ice each time it was hit, by the end it looked like he was carrying an icicle.
Frog-fu said:
Wait for the arc after this one.
Finally got around to watching the latest ep. Really beginning to notice how terrible the animation looks, if I'm being honest. I mean, at least it's mostly more solid than a lot of other anime, but this could look so much damn better... oh well. Luckily the action and script are still tight. It's not so bad as to be completely distracting, but it verges on the edge at times. Particularly with an action-heavy episode like this.
Still, it was pretty cool.
Really looking forward to next episode. Anything to get into the head of the villain with glasses.
Did anyone pick this up to dub? Somehow I doubt it :T
/edit I was a tad annoyed that crazy murderer guy was
Still, it was pretty cool.
They don't seem to have taken into consideration the fact that they just removed the barrier though... like... the ramnifications thereof... but still, the way they twisted the flavour text (I think the most interesting part was that the flavour text actually became about Akatsuki herself) and then kind of made it all about her, that was actually kind of heartwarming.
Really looking forward to next episode. Anything to get into the head of the villain with glasses.
Did anyone pick this up to dub? Somehow I doubt it :T
/edit I was a tad annoyed that crazy murderer guy was
basically just a crazy murderer guy and had little to no interesting backstory. If I'm not mistaken he was polishing the armour back in Ep 2 or 3 or something, right? And he walked past Akatsuki that one time I guess.
strangedopamine
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Log Horizon got licenced by Sentai and they're doing a dub too. So no need to doubt it!
Razgriz-Specter
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No one is ready for the databased
A little late, but episode 8 was pretty fantastic after we got a bit too much of emo Akatsuki. Very nice way to showcase not only their teamwork and kiting, but also covering some of the new techs and how they seem to be different for each and every person and even in the same class.
Big lingering question now is what
I look forward to getting back to Shiroe and the raid stuff, even if it looks like we've got another week at the glow lake.
Did you not hear Nyanta's dub? He went from distinguished older gentleman to pimp.
Big lingering question now is what
will happen now that the magic barrier is now gone, leading the city open to attack from both monsters and outside players. I think a big portion of this will be differences between whether or not players still view everything as still a part of a game or as the new world they have to adapt to.
I look forward to getting back to Shiroe and the raid stuff, even if it looks like we've got another week at the glow lake.
Did you not hear Nyanta's dub? He went from distinguished older gentleman to pimp.
Razgriz-Specter
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Holy shit LOL.
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