ThisWreckage
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Nomad Blue said:
That would be immensely moronic and it would be an open invitation for more shit like this to happen in the future.
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That would be immensely moronic and it would be an open invitation for more shit like this to happen in the future.
Visualante
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Glad to see hacking threats aimed squarely at RIM/BlackBerry.
I think it's a huge invasion of privacy and completely illegal. From what I understand they are able to request individual user data on a case by case basis. And what we're talking about here is swathes of chat logs from localised areas irrespective of whether someone is involved or not.
I think it's a huge invasion of privacy and completely illegal. From what I understand they are able to request individual user data on a case by case basis. And what we're talking about here is swathes of chat logs from localised areas irrespective of whether someone is involved or not.
Mecha_Infantry
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Man where are people getting this info? When do he die? Last time I heard he was in hospitalSmokyDave said:
Adam Scott Aukerman
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A 60 year old really isn't deserving of the title "old man"jufonuk said:
radioheadrule83
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Er.. why not? Retirement age is 60-65rogue_pigeon said:
Salazar said:
No, i was vehemently disagreeing, because those wellfare checks makes things better and not worse. I'd agree (if i for one second thought this was what you were suggesting) that more efforts should be made than just handing out those checks every month, but removing them is not the solution.
Dead Man said:
I don't really want to dive back into this argument today (becuase frankly I've had enough of arguing with my own family about it), but this is exactly right. If we try to distance ourselves from these people and deny that they are as much a product of our society as we are, then we risk being unable to help future generations to feel more enfranchised & connected with society and to help people become productive adults in the future.
SmokyDave said:
How would removing them help? Do you have any examples where removing wealth redistribution has helped problem communities grow into model communities? Because i have quite the opposite experiences from my country as we've gone more rightwing.
Salazar said:
But if you think they are the problem, what do you suggest? I'm obviously missing something here :X
Nomad Blue
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ThisWreckage said:
Sorry, I thought you meant arm the police in future, like in the US, as opposed to getting the rubber bullets/beanbags out (which I agree they should've done).
SmokyDave said:
Yup. It's about time that people actually had to do something for their handouts. The people who put nothing in seem to get the most out. I bet if you made them do community work for dole money there'd be far less people claiming.
Whilst I understand that suddenly removing the entire income of an entire class of people is a very bad idea, I do think people on the JSA (unemployment benefit) should at least (after a grace period) be asked to at least contribute something, be it cleaning parks or charity work.
I've had a few times where I've had to claim JSA from being made redundant and I wouldn't have objected.
I've had a few times where I've had to claim JSA from being made redundant and I wouldn't have objected.
jorma said:
I don't think welfare per se is bad. I think it will always have mixed virtues.
I do think welfare dependency is a general social ill: "the problem", as you put it. I don't have any terrific solutions. I think, to adapt Dave's phrasing, "expecting something in return" is the posture governments should tend towards. Whether that be in the form of work for the dole programs, work-search commitments, behavioural pledges.
That's not fiendishly right-wing of me. I fucking loathed the work for the dole program I participated in when I was out of work (and clinically depressed, for a time) after finishing uni. In part because it was administered with a malign ineptitude. But if it hadn't been there, I would have slid down the same pathetic track some of these rioting bastards have.
evil solrac v3.0
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I expect UK welfare to start morphing into American style welfare.
Nomad Blue
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Salazar said:
I thought there were already work-search commitments? I know there used to be, and every week or two you had to say what jobs you applied for. Was very, very easy to get around though.
planar1280
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Uh OH. They have killed 2 muslims in Birmingham. The rioters are already Dead. The beast has been awoken and the rioters will now wish their mothers never bore them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyA-PYPWOOU&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyA-PYPWOOU&feature=player_embedded
You know who's disenfranchised?IamMikeside said:
Me.
I don't have a religion-based community to belong to. I'm not in a gang. I can't stand behind my community 'leaders', because there aren't any. I can't band together with others of my ethnicity because the only ones doing that are skinheads or rioters. I know that NONE of the political parties will echo MY voice, will fight for MY demands or are aligned with MY values.
Maybe it's time I just tore shit up, eh?
More Fun To Compute
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
With most people wanting brown shirts on the street and a large section of public put in concentration camps then it seems somewhat more relevant than normal.
Salazar said:
Alrighty. Though i still disagree. I was on wellfare for about 3 months in my youth, and the social worker absolutely loathed me from the first meeting we had. I had done nothing to earn her scorn, except of course showing up at all so that she could do her fucking job like a normal human being.
My dealings with the police have also been solely of the kind where they shit all over me for no reason besides them thinking i deserved nothing else.
I'm suggesting that these sorts of things are a lot more corrosive to society than wellfare checks. These days i make a good living and pay my taxes and am a pretty model citizen, but i still loathe them with a passion. All authority really.
SmokyDave said:
You've got something to look forward to though. That rioting shower haven't. They're twats, but what have they got to lose? Obviously a good lot of them have crossed 'the line' (wherever that is, I'm definitely not happy with some of the more extreme instances) but they don't know where that line is. They're a forgotten bunch of people.
They get great benefits in Scandinavian countries but they haven't gone apeshit, probably because their societies are closer to actual societies rather than 'a bunch of people who live in the same area'.
Cereal KiIIer
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BaronLundi
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Your Excellency
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I'm currently on JSA because it's the summer between graduation and starting my Legal Practice Course. I'm going to use the money to buy a Macbook Air.
The people at my local jobcentre have all been lovely. But maybe that's because I'm quite lovely myself.
Here's a photo of just how thin the Macbook Air is. You can use it as a knife to cut your birthday cake:
The people at my local jobcentre have all been lovely. But maybe that's because I'm quite lovely myself.
Here's a photo of just how thin the Macbook Air is. You can use it as a knife to cut your birthday cake:
Q
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someone was raped in my area last night, not been confirmed if it was all linked to the riots yet
Which area? Someone was stabbed in mine (Notts). Said not to be connected but happened in same area at same time as trouble.ashley678 said:
Bottom line for me is, there are a lot of disenfranchised people with nothing to look forward to that we need to take care of. These scum are not those people.Kelthink said:
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