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[Gaz Pwnage]

Gunshots reported in Liverpool by sky news

 

[Detox]

Glad to hear they are changing tactics, hopefully they can get armoured vehicles and clearance for the use of more aggressive riot tactics by tomorrow. Allowing for patrols to be setup all across the city.

 

[Kerub]

You're talking to the wrong person here.

Sorry, my mistake.

I just quoted you talking to someone else as if "effective and warrant force" is never the answer.

This is not relevant to what I wrote at all though. I was disgusted at him wishing a wounded person would have died instead of surviving.

But I guess it was more important for you to misuse my post for easy rhetorical points than actually reflect over it. No problem.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

How's LondonGAF doing? =/

Embarrassed, saddened, angry, worried, in shock. Did I say embarrassed? I hope some genuine good comes out of all this at the end. I wish there were local community groups protecting their area - I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this but too much of a pansy to plan it myself. I would join one though. They are causing damage to people's lives for no reason aside other than greed. How could they do this to their own towns and city? It's where they live for crying out loud.

 

[sullyj]

If the London police can not handle this, how in the hell do they plan on keeping the Olympics under control?

 

[Tzeentch]

Would you say that if it was your car they burnt, or your business that they destroyed? It sucks that she took a stray pepper ball to the eye, but without police response you are stuck with what London is experiencing now.

-- Are you serious? Wow, your utter lack of humanity is really something. I'm probably not going to kill someone for burning my car, or at least I won't expect to be lauded for it.

She was given plenty of time and warnings to leave the area, and was told what kinds of force would be used if she didn't leave.

-- I doubt that warning included "Or you will be killed." But hey, she was in an area where bad stuff was happening - collateral damage who cares, maybe you can see it on youtube and get a laugh out of it.

 

[Dice]

If the London police can not handle this, how in the hell do they plan on keeping the Olympics under control?

James Bond

 

[Ether_Snake]

Commander Christine Jones, said: "We are using tactics flexibly to respond to the disorder we are still seeing in different areas of the capital. Anyone involved in criminality should be under no illusion that we will pursue you. We have been making arrests all evening and have a team working during the night examining CCTV images. We will follow up evidence in the coming days in order to bring anyone else responsible for criminal acts to justice.

Yeah no kidding.

 

[Lost Soul]

Didn't think this shit would get so out of control.

 

[outunderthestars]

I'm waiting for a link that supports your assertion that she was engaged in a felony act. That link does not say that. Try again please.

She was engaged in rioting when she was in a group of four or more people seen destroying property and disobeying police orders to disperse. It went up to aggravated rioting when that group start throwing bottles. That bumped it up to a felony.

You can legally be charged with the crime once the police warn you to disperse and you fail to do so. Anyone remaining in the group can be charged.

 

[Ronok]

http://bennycrime.posterous.com/police-surge-camden-riot

Video of police in Camden. There are a shit load of officers without any armour or anything. Brave guys.

 

[spiderman123]

If the London police can not handle this, how in the hell do they plan on keeping the Olympics under control?

They will lose it. Unless they kiss major ass.

 

[Dark Machine]

Gunshots reported in Liverpool by sky news

So that's like any other night then? Not being funny, but there's shots in Liverpool (even up in 'gentile' areas like Crosby where I live) every other night.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

-- Are you serious? Wow, your utter lack of humanity is really something. I'm probably not going to kill someone for burning my car, or at least I won't expect to be lauded for it.

-- I doubt that warning included "Or you will be killed." But hey, she was in an area where bad stuff was happening - collateral damage who cares, maybe you can see it on youtube and get a laugh out of it.

Once again, hang out in a riot area, expect bad shit to happen. It's unfortunate, but not unexpected or a flaw in the response.

 

[Cindres]

I can't believe people defend the lives of these soulless little shitcunts.

They set fire to homes and business (clearly big and small) with complete disregard to whomever may be inside. They could have EASILY killed several by now, we're just lucky it's out of hours.

Fuck 'em, if one of them gets knocked down fine, what do these little pricks contribute to society? Less than fucking nothing, because they're taking away from the rest of us. Fuck every last fucking one of them.

Yeah I'm past thinking this was just a small group of idiots and am in full on rage mode against these stupid cunts thinking this is now in any way "funny".

 

[BlazingDarkness]

0306: Here are the latest updates from the London Fire Brigade's Twitter site on major blazes currently being fought in the capital: 1. Timber yard fire on going in East Ham on Plashet Grove. The yard 100 x 50 is 50 per cent alight. 4 fire engines and 20 firefighters on site. 2. Shopping centre and offices of 4 floors fire on Woolwich New Road. Whole of the ground floor is alight. 20 firefighters attending. 3. The fire on Lavender Hill has now 8 fire engines and 40 firefighters at the scene. Most of the ground floor and part of first floor alight. 5. 40 firefighters at a fire in a warehouse on Solar Way in Enfield.

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[Dabanton]

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. It's not for a social purpose, nor for a political message. It's just youth being unruly. What I'm saying is that there are factors over the months and years that have led them to become more and more unruly, disregarding of the government and community at large. And some of the things I listed earlier are all things imo that have added to this cauldron of anger, resentment, hate and unrest.

Basically, the kids don't give a shit, and given their lifestyle, education, opportunities or prospects, if you were less educated, you might almost be able to appreciate their apathetic sentiments. It's the same sort of thing with crime levels in more impoverished areas, it's easy to say they're all just vermin etc etc, but there are reasons for everything. Again, I'm not justifying these actions, just saying it's not as cut and dry as some are trying to make out.

I deal with these sort of kids regularly and this has been brewing for years.

A huge swathe of young people up and down this country who feel they have no stake or worth in society is a scary,scary thing.

 

[lunarworks]

Where is lord Voldemort when you need him

Stealing a 50" TV.

 

[BocoDragon]

They will lose it. Unless they kiss major ass.

They won't lose it. It's way too soon.

Security policy's going to be completely reviewed, though.

 

[KingDizzi]

Gunshots reported in Liverpool by sky news

That's not news

How's LondonGAF doing? =/

In Ealing here and absolutely fine, besides the isolated case people are not being hurt. It's shops being burnt and looted, I'm sure there are many heartbroken business people in London tonight for sure. Amazed by the incompotance of the police, clearly they are in a lose lose situation and considering the shit they have got in the past for using force, well I can't blame them.

 

[outunderthestars]

-- Are you serious? Wow, your utter lack of humanity is really something. I'm probably not going to kill someone for burning my car, or at least I won't expect to be lauded for it.

-- I doubt that warning included "Or you will be killed." But hey, she was in an area where bad stuff was happening - collateral damage who cares, maybe you can see it on youtube and get a laugh out of it.

Did I say she should be killed? No. And the personal attacks are uncalled for. It is unfortunate that she died, but she was given ample warning to leave the scene. I'm not going to blame the cop who was trying to fire pepper spray into a crowd that was pelting him with bottles.

 

[spiderman123]

They won't lose it. It's far too soon.

Security policy's going to be completely reviewed, though.

Pffft. Unless they provide it which they won't, they will stick with the same tactics and the same shit will occur.

 

[BriareosGAF]

The whole rioting in the summer when the politicians are away reminds me a bit of The Difference Engine by Gibson/Sterling when the anarchists swept in during the Great Stink.

Still watching all of this a bit agog.

 

[outunderthestars]

http://bennycrime.posterous.com/police-surge-camden-riot

Video of police in Camden. There are a shit load of officers without any armour or anything. Brave guys.

About time. I hope they all make it home ok.

 

[Margalis]

Blah blah blah.

Again no citation! Lol this is rich.


http://www.cooleymanionjones.com/Case-Results/5-100-000-00-recovery-for-civil-rights.shtml

CASE SUMMARY:
On October 21, 2004, a Boston police officer who had been trained by the manufacturer of a less lethal weapon fired the weapon at a moving male target in a crowd on Lansdowne Street in Boston. Victoria Snelgrove, not the intended target, was hit by the projectile fired from the product. Snelgrove suffered penetrating head injuries and died. The incident occurred following the victory of the Boston Red Sox in the American League Championship Series in an area where there was a large crowd of young people celebrating the victory. Victoria Snelgrove was not the intended target of any police action, and was not involved in any unrest or other behavior that would have made her the object of police attention. She was in all respects an innocent bystander.

Following the incident, there was an investigation conducted by the Boston Police Department, Suffolk County District Attorney's Office, a Commission Investigating the Death of Victoria Snelgrove, known as the Stern Commission and representatives of the Snelgrove family. Counsel for the Snelgrove Estate obtained significant evidence including photographs, videotapes and witness statements to support their claim that City of Boston employees violated Victoria Snelgrove's civil rights and caused her death.

Following several discussions and extensive settlement negotiations, the parties agreed to resolve the claim. The City of Boston agreed to pay the Snelgroves as the Administrators of the Estate of Victoria Snelgrove, a settlement with a present value and cost to the City of $5,000,000. The City also agreed to separately pay the sum of $100,000 to the Victoria E. Snelgrove Memorial Fund. In addition, the City agreed to memorialize Victoria Snelgrove and acknowledged its commitment to working with the Snelgroves to develop an appropriate vehicle for doing so.

http://www.policeone.com/police-pro...mpact-projectile-death-of-Victoria-Snelgrove/

The Boston Police Department responded to this tragedy in a most unusual way, at least unusual for police agencies in America. Within hours the Police Commissioner publically accepted full responsibility for the death. She then initiated three separate investigations:

• Homicide
• Internal Affairs
• The Stern Commission (headed by former U.S. Attorney Donald Stern)
1. Independent Commission
2. Examine all issues involved in the event
3. Ensure that lessons learned can be used to benefit the Boston PD as well as other agencies.

 

[Dabanton]

If the London police can not handle this, how in the hell do they plan on keeping the Olympics under control?

The Olympics is contained that's 'easy' policework. I doubt the police thought it would go this far.

They have been caught on the hop the last few days these youths have made fools of police forces up and down the country.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Again no citation! Lol this is rich.


http://www.cooleymanionjones.com/Case-Results/5-100-000-00-recovery-for-civil-rights.shtml

Dude you citited the law firm that handled the cases homepage. Come on! That's essentially meant to be an ad.

 

[spiderman123]

The Olympics is contained that's 'easy' policework. I doubt the police thought it would go this far.

They have been caught on the hop the last few days these youths have made fools of police forces up and down the country.

Problem is, ppl use major peace loving events to riot. Particularly in England and Canada. It's been a historical fact and trend.

 

[Betta Lines]

Have they used water cannons yet?

 

[Dark Machine]

The Olympics is contained that's 'easy' policework. I doubt the police thought it would go this far.

They have been caught on the hop the last few days these youths have made fools of police forces up and down the country.

Hopefully this will make the Tories think twice about cuts to Police, Fire and Ambulance services.

 

[djm]

No major updates in awhile. Maybe things are settling down, for tonight at least?

 

[The English Conquistador]

http://bennycrime.posterous.com/police-surge-camden-riot

Video of police in Camden. There are a shit load of officers without any armour or anything. Brave guys.

Damn, wonder where that is in Camden. That looks like the road from Chalk Farm leading up to Hampstead. Could be wrong though.

 

[outunderthestars]

Again no citation! Lol this is rich.


http://www.cooleymanionjones.com/Case-Results/5-100-000-00-recovery-for-civil-rights.shtml



http://www.policeone.com/police-pro...mpact-projectile-death-of-Victoria-Snelgrove/

So I post a newspaper article, and you post a story from the lawyer who got rich from it, and a company looking to use the story to scare police agencies into buying their product instead?

A civil settlement is not an admission of wrongdoing.

 

[spiderman123]

So I post a newspaper article, and you post a story from the lawyer who got rich from it, and a company looking to use the story to scare police agencies into buying their product instead?

A civil settlement is not an admission of wrongdoing.

Well he did say lOl this is rich.

 

[Ashes]

Embarrassed londoner here. I'm at work now and fairly safe, but I have friends and family in affected parts...

 

[ToxicAdam]

 

[DECK'ARD]

No major updates in awhile. Maybe things are settling down, for tonight at least?

Doesn't look like it:

0308: Spoke too soon. Trouble flaring in Ealing again, police have deployed heavy armoured vans into the area.

0314: Police armoured vehicles moving towards Southall. Guess we’ll be here a bit longer than 0320……

 

[Margalis]

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-137302.html

"I am hopeful the settlement recognizes the tremendous loss to them and represents our acceptance in the role the police played in that tragedy," Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole said.

O'Toole said Snelgrove was an innocent bystander and had not "engaged in any activity that would have led police to think that she was behaving unlawfully."

The POLICE COMMISSIONER said she was not behaving unlawfully.

Please, stop celebrating the death of an innocent girl and repeatedly lying about how and why it happened.

Just stop. You have lied about this what, six times now?

 

[Dark Machine]

Ah good old Call me Dave.

 

[J-Rzez]

Sorry, my mistake.



This is not relevant to what I wrote at all though. I was disgusted at him wishing a wounded person would have died instead of surviving.

But I guess it was more important for you to misuse my post for easy rhetorical points than actually reflect over it. No problem.

I'm not necessarily saying "it's a shame he didn't die", I'm more alluding to that sometimes necessary force is required to settle and attempt to defuse a situation spiraling out of control. Like in the case of these people running around hurting people, risking people's lives with fires, muggings, and all that not-so-fun stuff. Appropriate force needs to be administered before they destroy too many lives in various ways. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[Detox]

Have they used water cannons yet?

They haven't done anything except holding their position on high streets that have already been ransacked and cordoning off areas for firefighters.

 

[onken]

Is there actually a real possibility that London will lose the Olympics over this? Surely they wouldn't be able to organise another location at such relatively short notice?

 

[spiderman123]

Stuff

I'm sorry but I have to participate in this discussion seeing how dense it is.

1) THEY ARE NOT CELEBRATING HER DEATH. They are saying she was a presumably a rioter ( b/c she was among rioters) and ignored the warnings to go home.

2) They are also saying, she was an unfortunate casualty.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Ealing Broadway earlier:

0319: Unconfirmed reports that Santander Bank in Southall has been hit by rioters, seeking confirmation.

This isn't going to stop :/

 

[Bleepey]

I think i am going to bed, wake me up when it's over. I am truly ashamed of my city.

 

[BocoDragon]

Is there actually a real possibility that London will lose the Olympics over this? Surely they wouldn't be able to organise another location at such relatively short notice?

I don't think it's realistic at all for the Olympics to be re-located. They've been planning it for 6 years.

 

[Vivalaraza]

Ashamed to be a Londoner tonight. This is a magnificent city. We need to quash these pests.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

The eyewitness account in Liverpool about sums this up
300 scumbags running riot, setting alight cars and smashing/looting stores, and all the police are doing is lining up and cutting off roads, following the rioters as they fuck shit up, but not doing anything else. They're just funnelling them further along to trash other stores.

 

[Betta Lines]

They haven't done anything except holding their position on high streets that have already been ransacked and cordoning off areas for firefighters.

Hmmm. Surely water cannons are the most effective way of putting off these James Blunts? They don't like getting wet.

 

[speedpop]

-- Are you serious? Wow, your utter lack of humanity is really something. I'm probably not going to kill someone for burning my car, or at least I won't expect to be lauded for it.

-- I doubt that warning included "Or you will be killed." But hey, she was in an area where bad stuff was happening - collateral damage who cares, maybe you can see it on youtube and get a laugh out of it.

Your whole rhetoric is stupid. Thousands of people die annually from circumstances derived from obesity and here you are bitching about people wanting rubber bullets brought in to quell the bullshit, stating that the death of a rioter (who was forewarned about the consequences for their action) from a shock occurrence should be the model for non-violent authority?

Don't hide behind the "humanity" card when you've got more people dying from vending machines than a single rubber bullet.