London riots spreading through UK
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The English Conquistador
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Hyphen said:
Hit the nail on the head. Absolutely appalling this is.
But I'll say this, at least we know that the people in this thread wouldn't do this kind of thing.
It's a semi-comforting thought, knowing that good people would never condone this violence on our city.
Gaz Pwnage
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Dark Machine said:
I wasn't implying that your not sorry that somebody was shot. To be fair, the missus lives here, I'm not a scouser so I don't really know what areas are rough bar Toxteth.
I haven't personally heard a gunshot (Thankfully) but now that I think about it, there have been a fair few shootings over the years in Speke and surrounding areas.
Boss Doggie
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Hyphen said:
I feel for you.
Stay safe everyone.
radioheadrule83 said:
At the end of the day most of these people are disillusioned thieves. Do you really think they deserve to die because they decided to steal a few shoes from Foot Looker when they thought it was an opportune moment?
Not to deny that these people are acting immorally, but I think these events most definitely represent a societal failing in general.
Smiles and Cries
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Send them all to North Korea!
outunderthestars
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Dead Man said:
The more passive approach has not yielded results.
I think that the politicians are afraid to have the police be taped beating and arresting people. They are thin skinned and weak willed. They'd rather wait until it dies down, commission a panel to study the matter, and wait for the press to move on to another dead celebrity.
spiderman123
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Dead Man said:
He does have a point though. The passive approach till now has barely an payoff ( based on what I am reading). I am open to suggestions but it seems they are just standing there waiting for it to disperse.
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outunderthestars said:
They need to start to realize that the only thing voters will be angry at them is for not telling the police to shoot them all.
Dark Machine
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Gaz Pwnage said:
Ah alright mate. Didn't mean to be snappy, just frustrated that the little shits have started up here.
Yeah if you google map Liverpool I could probably point out all the 'rougher' areas around the City. Main ones are Bootle, Walton and Anfield, Toxteth and the surrounds there, Everton, Huyton, Norris Green. All Inner City areas with a lot of poorer families in social housing.
That said, as I mentioned before, even better off places like Thornton and Crosby (my area), Aintree, Broadgreen etc. have bad bits. I don't often hear gunshots, but you often see them reported in the Liverpool Post or Echo.
radioheadrule83
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gerg said:
The thieving and entitlement is disgusting, but no of course not. I do, however, genuinely believe that the people who are setting fire to buildings and - as we're now hearing - invading homes... those people should be considered as having taken their lives into their own hands. Police have found a man with gunshot wounds just sitting injured in his car, and there've also been shots in Liverpool. They are risking the lives of others, and if anyone has to go, I'd rather it be these people instead of someone innocent.
kyo_daikun said:
Has that been confirmed? I've seen some very suspect stories spreading around tonight of the "i've heard from a friend" variety.
Some are humorous others sound like sinister mischief making.
That breaking into peoples homes story i've heard 3 or 4 variations on this that this evening from different people.
BocoDragon
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Are they not even pepper spraying or tear gassing or anything?
No kidding: I was randomly pepper sprayed a few days ago by some random prankster. It was incapacitating and painful... but it wore off after a night and I was ultimately just fine.
I say pepper spray the lot of these people... it's harmless and it'll stop them (or is there some reason riot control doesn't use it?)
No kidding: I was randomly pepper sprayed a few days ago by some random prankster. It was incapacitating and painful... but it wore off after a night and I was ultimately just fine.
I say pepper spray the lot of these people... it's harmless and it'll stop them (or is there some reason riot control doesn't use it?)
_Xenon_ said:
I never said that what these people were doing was right. I said it was understandable.
I basically agree with this article.
We're not talking hypothetically here. A lot of these people will have little of a future ahead of them. It's no surprise that they don't care for a society that can't provide that.
RustyNails
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wat?
BlazingDarkness
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It was reported live on sky news earlier, a woman was woken by a man dressed in black breaking into her houseDabanton said:
Also various reports on the news of peoples front doors being kicked in etc
So they are happy to beat heads for G20 and the like, but not now?outunderthestars said:
They payoff has been no one killed so far. I know that is not a high priority for some people, but to me it is up at the top of the list. I don't know if that is just dumb luck, you are right there.spiderman123 said:
Look, I'm not saying the police have had the best response possible, just that I feel it is better than their usual method of going in swinging.
outunderthestars
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RustyNails said:
wat?
damnit, now hipsters are looting.
planar1280
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Do you guys know how the French Revolution started?
BocoDragon
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"I stole this rocking horse out of irony."outunderthestars said:
radioheadrule83 said:
I'd just rather that as few people as possible died overall. I still don't think that burglars and arsonists are dangerous and immoral enough for the police to be justified in actively trying to kill them, but then again I'm not for the death penalty in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_sprayBocoDragon said:
Don't know how common those effects are, or if they are concerns that the police consider though.
planar1280
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I think this is when they say, enough is enough, get the guns out.
Boss Doggie
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outunderthestars said:
TOO DEEP 4 U
FunkyPajamas
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Your argument is invalid my shield is a rocking horse.RustyNails said:
wat?
BlazingDarkness
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What's the difference? It was simply more of the mob looking to steal shitDabanton said:
outunderthestars
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Dead Man said:
Would you say the same thing if they were on your street, torching houses and robbing people?
I worry that it sends a message to the criminals on the street that the police are nothing to worry about.
I worry about the people who might not insurance and will end up losing their businesses and/or homes because the police are afraid of hurting someone who is breaking the law.
I thought the police were supposed to worry about the victims, not the criminals....
Then again, I live in a state where I can legally shoot you for refusing to leave my house.
TheExecutive
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What the hell is happening over there? If this is true I am surprised that people arent getting killed over this stuff.kyo_daikun said:
I agree with you. I don't even want to think about the backlash that would be caused by police aggression...Dead Man said:
I don't really understand the situation though. What's the reasoning behind the rioting in different areas? Everybody is making it out to be mindless looting, but isn't it a result of discontent with their living conditions (which can be blamed on the government)?
spiderman123
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Dead Man said:
What the police is facing right now is a double edge sword. If anyone gets hurt, there is fear of escalation, retaliation and politicians are afraid of public view. The second is that if they don't react ( showing an action vs consequence), ppl will suffer financially and personally. The district or city will suffer financially and lose reputation ( as well as long term economic effects).
What they should do is react NOW based on which tactic has the greatest public approval.
radioheadrule83
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gerg said:
I won't comment on the initial day of rioting, as the spark was unique there, but anyone who tries to tie EMA, council cuts and other things into the rationale of these kids in the days that have followed is a massively naive idiot. And I was against such quick, deep cuts myself. Ken Livingstone has been trying to push that line on the news all day and its bollocks.
This country has experienced recessions worse than this, and previous generations didn't resort to wanton violence, muggings, lootings and arson. How hard done by can they be if they are organising themselves on fucking blackberrys? The only thing I really believe from that entire article is that these youths think they are entitled to "get paid" and have fun at everyone elses expense... the only reason they are doing it is because they think (or know) that they can get away with it. I hate that people are trying to politicise it and come to sweeping conclusions about society, when its clear from the breadth and scale of the disorder that people are just being opportunistic cunts.
BocoDragon
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I had asthma and I was fine anywayDead Man said:
As someone who was on the receiving end of the stuff I somehow feel justified in reccomending it be used on these punks. If I can take it, they can, and it will stop the bastards.!
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