Infinite_Daremo
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Mr_Brit said:
Some people think all human life is sacred. I'm as blunt as you, I don't particularly care what happens to these yobs but you must understand why not everyone wishes death upon people.
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Some people think all human life is sacred. I'm as blunt as you, I don't particularly care what happens to these yobs but you must understand why not everyone wishes death upon people.
killerpenguin
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I don't know if this has been asked before, so apologies if so.
For the likes of 360s and PS3s stolen, do shops keep a list of serial numbers of remaining stock and, if so, couldn't these be traced if used online (which they no doubt would be since these guys are mindless idiots)?
Sure, they may be sold on, but even then it could help in tracing the thieves.
For the likes of 360s and PS3s stolen, do shops keep a list of serial numbers of remaining stock and, if so, couldn't these be traced if used online (which they no doubt would be since these guys are mindless idiots)?
Sure, they may be sold on, but even then it could help in tracing the thieves.
Well a few people I know have had their work burnt down. They have to return to university in september and without their job they won't be able to afford it.
Thanks government for your show of support to these people. More cops to make sure the rioters don't hurt themselves.
It's a fucking disgrace, and heads should roll.
Thanks government for your show of support to these people. More cops to make sure the rioters don't hurt themselves.
It's a fucking disgrace, and heads should roll.
Mecha_Infantry
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Mr_Brit said:
No because you are frankly being stupid
1) no one has died
2) the family have come out against these riots and said it's not they wanted
3) it's not the families fault for these riots
4)They've already held a peaceful protest asking why the police haven't given them more information
If you aren't bothered to do some background reading about the situation then seriously go bugger off. You're just another one of these tough-behind-the-monitor-dudes who has a lot to say, but no grasp of the situation
bobs99 ... said:
The dude said his family deserve to die because of the damage, can you sit there and really say that that is true and you agree with it?
bitoriginal
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zomgbbqftw said:
Yeah, the police response has really been piss poor. I know there is only so much they can do but just standing at the end of the road while buildings are being looted and burned seems ridiculous. I just hope these rioters stop burning buildings down, I dont mind a bit of looting but burning down peoples businesses and homes is just outrageous and unnecessary.
Funky Papa
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Well over a thousand people lost their jobs overnight in the most violent riots in maybe two decades. An untold number of small, medium and big business have been looted and arsoned. Londoners have lost homes.SteveWD40 said:
This. is. bad. It calls for more than stern words, so let's hope that his meekish attitude is hiding something else.
Opus Angelorum
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At what point are the army put on the streets? It's clear the police are are at breaking point (despite what the claim).
Haven't some people been shot and stabbed? I haven't heard any updates so I just assumed they died especially since one guy was shot in the face. His family are the ones who got all these rioters riled up and gave them a convenient excuse to do what they've done by painting Duggan as some kind of hero/martyr rather than the low life criminal he was.Mecha_Infantry said:
Opus Angelorum
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Mr_Brit said:
Exactly.
Mecha_Infantry
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Mr_Brit said:
Dude, seriously, just stop
Dirtyshubb
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You know thats exactly whats going to happen shortly after this has died down, something else will happen that will take the focus off this and for the majority of Joe public it will be back to normal as always.SmokyDave said:
I do really wish our country didnt have the memories of a goldfish and actually fought for something rather than fighting for nothing which tends to be our way, as long as we have something to moan about most are happy, even if nothing ever gets sorted.
The only way I see this being a lasting issue is if it carries on, escalating until someone finally dies or it comes out that the bullet shot at police was from another police officer, in which case its all gonna kick off again otherwise the chavs and rude boys will get bored/have no more room for their loot and give up while the government tries its best to sweep it all under the carpet.
33-Hit-Combo
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Kentpaul said:
Why are you assuming they'll open fire/beatdown everybody in sight?
victreeb3l
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the govt response to this has been absolutely abysmal. i feel bad for everyone thats lost so much and are completely unable to do jack shit. uk-gaffers must be pissed beyond belief :/
thatd be entertaining for sure. redistribute all the ad revenue to everyone thats been affected.
Bleepey said:
thatd be entertaining for sure. redistribute all the ad revenue to everyone thats been affected.
CadetMahoney
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Mecha_Infantry
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SmokyDave said:
Nah I think it was the one in Croydn that was declared as untrue. I didn't know about the one in Leeds until now
gburgess10
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PJV3 said:
If you think the politicians aren't concerned, I'm sure you have another thing coming.
All these guys sitting on their hands are gone, whether its their fault or not- they're gonna eat the blame.
The only ones staying will be the ones adept enough to spin the story their way.
Mecha_Infantry said:
I find that amusing coming from you, who somehow is keeping a very softy-softy approach here despite innocent lives being ruined for years to come by these thugs.
The family themselves are against the violence, of course they are (anyone sane would be). However, they are being naive by admitting he was into dodgy stuff, but apparently they know for sure he didnt shoot first or have a gun (heard this on BBC or Sky last night). How do they know this? Were they there at the shooting? Do they know everything about him? If he was into gangs, why not try getting him out of it like any good moral family would?
Why no information on his death? Well, I'm not sure if you seen the news, but the Police are rather busy and stretched atm.....
Last night I saw a mum screaming at her kid in the middle of my street trying to get him back in the house, because he was buggering off to fuck things up round my area and just stormed out the house. We need more mums like her actually trying to take some responsibility round here.
bitoriginal
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It's just getting silly now...
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Great poster for a great movie!Your Excellency said:Hey, that poster is amazing, needs to be posted:
LabouredSubterfuge
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Sir Fragula said:
Bloody hell Fragula!! Another Crawley-ite on this board? I'm shocked. I'm in Three Bridges at work at the moment but there was news of shit going down around Asda.
Discotheque
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haha great quotes from twitter. love the spelling of "locashion"
LabouredSubterfuge
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Sir Fragula said:
Cool, could be bullshit of course but that was the word.
I was seeing claims on Facebook last night that people were claiming people were trying to organise kicking off in Huddersfield last night.
Luckily absolutely nothing happened despite rumours that Nandos and MacDonald's were on fire. People need to stop stirring shit, it's not helping.
Luckily absolutely nothing happened despite rumours that Nandos and MacDonald's were on fire. People need to stop stirring shit, it's not helping.
Your Excellency
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This is nuts, the looters went into a really posh restaurant and mugged all the diners:
From the Guardian liveblog:
From the Guardian liveblog:
33-Hit-Combo
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Kentpaul said:
Are you serious? That's your basis of discussion?
Meus Renaissance
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Thursday the 4th of August
18:15 BST - Mark Duggan, 29, is shot dead by [armed] police at Ferry Lane, Tottenham.
The death occurs during an operation where specialist firearm officers and officers from Operation Trident, the unit which deals with gun crime in the African and Caribbean communities, are attempting to carry out an arrest.
Mr Duggan is a passenger in a minicab and is shot after an apparent exchange of fire. A police officer's radio is later found to have a bullet lodged in it.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) announces it will investigate the incident and later says it believes two shots were fired by police. It also confirms that an illegal firearm was recovered from the scene.
Saturday 6th of August
Before 17:00 - The IPCC provides support to 14 of Mr Duggan's family members and friends as they formally identify his body.
17:00 BST - Around 300 people gather outside Tottenham police station after marching from Broadwater Farm estate. They say they want "justice" for Mr Duggan and his family.
Officers are forced to close the High Road and put traffic diversions in place. Eyewitnesses report that the protest begins peacefully. Group would later complain they had waited several hours in front of the police station without being acknowledged. Members of these protestors, including Duggans family, complain of a lack of information surrounding Duggan's death and suspicion arises.
20:20 BST -The violence begins as bottles are thrown at two patrol cars close to the police station. One of the vehicles is set alight, while the other is pushed into the middle of the road before also being torched.
Unconfirmed reports say the incident was sparked off by a confrontation between a teenage girl protestor and a police officer. Video footage shows police 'handling' her with onlookers shouting at them to get off; "She's just a fucking girl"
Riot officers from the Territorial Support Group and police on horseback are deployed to disperse the crowds but come under attack from bottles, fireworks and other missiles.
20:45 BST - The London Fire Brigade receives its first calls to attend and by 04:30 BST the following morning has dealt with 49 "primary" fires in the Tottenham area and received more than 250 emergency calls from the public.
No firefighters are injured in the disturbances but some are threatened by rioters, according to the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.
22:45 BST - As the violence continues, a double-decker bus is burnt out and more petrol bombs are thrown at police and buildings. Shops set alight in the area include an Aldi supermarket and a carpet shop.
Looting is reported throughout the night and some thieves take the opportunity to load up car boots and shopping trolleys with stolen goods. Vision Express, Boots, Argos and JD Sports are among the shops affected.
As the "disturbance" is largely focused in Tottenham, it is presumed the looters/rioters/protestors are motivated by the 'unjust' shooting of Duggan, eroding an already tense relationship with the police amongst the predominantly black youth community.
Sunday 7th August
12:00 BST - Fire crews have all the fires under control but are still damping down some burnt-out buildings. Scenes of crime officers begin investigating and gathering evidence.
Police say 26 police officers were injured in the riots and two remain in hospital. In total, fifty-five arrests have been made.
Local MP David Lammy tells reporters the community has "had the heart ripped out of it" by "mindless, mindless people",[/B] many of whom he says had come from outside Tottenham to cause trouble.
16:20 BST - Police announce the launch of Operation Withern to investigate the riots in Tottenham.
18:28 BST - Police are called to High Street Enfield after reports shop windows are being smashed. A police vehicle is damaged, one of what would be many more vehicles set alight.
18:30 BST - Three police officers are injured after intervening in an altercation in Brixton, south London. Missiles are thrown.
19:45 BST - Around 100 hooded youths gather outside Enfield Police Station. It has spread outside Tottenham, and thus dismisses the explanation that these scenes are related to the shooting. More likely pure opportunism.
21:30 BST -The Guardian newspaper quotes a source as saying a bullet found in a police radio after Mr Duggan's death was police issue.
22:00 BST - More reports of shop windows being smashed in Enfield. Riot police and mounted police patrol the streets.
22:30 BST - Reports on Twitter of a police presence at Oxford Circus in London's West End. Police later say a mob of around 50 people damaged property in the area. Rumours of more riots and looting planned via BBM.
Monday 8th August
00:45 BST - Six fire engines and 30 firefighters are despatched to blaze at a Foot Locker store on Brixton Road, after it is set alight.
Three officers are injured after being hit by a vehicle in Chingford Mount, Waltham Forest. The officers had been making arrests after a shop was looted.
02:20 BST - Scotland Yard says police are responding to copycat criminal activity across London. In a statement it says "small and mobile groups" of looters have been have been targeting areas of north, east and south London.
Police say gangs of youths are continuing to attack officers and shops are being targeted in Waltham Forest.
In Enfield, the High Street remains cordoned off after disorder in the area was contained. The situation in Walthamstow is said to be under control after some 30 youths - many in masks - vandalised and looted shops there.
Police say a police vehicle windscreen was smashed during a disturbance in Islington and a Tesco store in Ponders End has been vandalised and looted.
02:38 BST - The London Fire Brigade says firefighters have been called to a number of fires as a direct result of disturbances in the Enfield, Brixton and Walthamstow areas. Six fire engines and 30 firefighters are fighting a blaze at a shop on Brixton road. Reports of incidents around England, in Birmingham and Liverpool amongst some of the cited areas.
06:15 BST - The Metropolitan Police say a further 100 arrests have been made and 16 people charged in relation to disturbances overnight on Sunday.
Mark Duggan profile
Hardened north London gangster and drug dealer, or loving family man who would never seek confrontation? Two different portraits were painted of Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old Tottenham man whose death sparked the weekend's London riots. Close family members, gathered in their garden in Tottenham amid a pile of bouquets left in memory of the dead 29-year-old, refused to speak to journalists, blaming the media for "twisting the truth" and telling "all these lies" about Duggan. "He was a good man. He was a family man," one relative told The Guardian. Duggan's fiancee, Semone Wilson, has admitted Duggan was known to the police and said he had spent some time on remand, but denied he was ever imprisoned. Mark, whom she had known for 12 years, was "a good Dad" who "idolised his kids", she said. The couple were hoping to marry soon and move out of Tottenham to "start a new life together" with their three children, Kemani, aged ten, Kajaun, seven, and 18-month-old Kahliya. A fourth child, a daughter, was stillborn.
Speaking to Channel 4 News, Wilson said her partner was not a gangster and would run from trouble rather than shoot at police. "If he did have a gun which I don't know Mark would run. Mark is a runner. He would run rather than firing and that's coming from the bottom of my heart," she said. "They are portraying Mark as a gangster. Mark is not a gangster. He's not known to any gangsters or any gangs. He's not like that." A relative, Shaun Hall, told reporters it was "utter rubbish" that Duggan would ever dream of opening fire on policemen: "My brother's not that sort of person," he said. "He's not stupid to shoot at the police, that's ridiculous."
But Duggan's Facebook page, under his alias Starrish Mark, pictures him in a T-shirt bearing the words Star Gang, and reports suggest he may have had links to that group and allied north London gangs such as the Broadwater Farm Posse and Tottenham Mandem. The Voice, Britain's leading black newspaper, has claimed that both Duggan and his best friend, 23-year-old rapper Kelvin Easton, known as Smegz, "had links to the Star Gang", one of several criminal groups in north London whose turf wars have caused at least three deaths over the past few years. Easton, described by the londonstreetgangs website as an "elder" of a group collectively called the Farm Mandem, was stabbed to death with a broken champagne bottle at the Boheme nightclub in Mile End, east London, in March 2011. The murder remains unsolved.
Duggan was born on September 15 1981 and attended St David's and St Katherine's, now Greig City Academy, in Hornsey. At the time of his death last Thursday he was under investigation by officers from Trident, the Metropolitan police unit responsible for gun crime within the black community. Duggan's Facebook page carries more than a dozen photographs of him and a large number of messages left by friends. Several shots show him in gangster poses; in others he is dressed all in black, or shown gesturing from behind the wheel of a yellow sportscar with headlights blazing. Beneath that photo Duggan posted the message: "I aint even countin money no more, if it aint right it jus aint right, it does'nt even matter 2 me no more." Other unconfirmed reports have alleged he was a known drugs dealer. Some of the messages posted by friends on his Facebook pages could suggest possible gang involvement, referring to Duggan variously as a "soldier", a "true star boy" and a "five star general". One of the messages left among the bouquets outside Duggan's family home yesterday referred to "Gang N17 Farm", the name of one of the Star gang's allies.
But others appear full of love, and sorrow. "I love you like cooked food," reads one comment; "1 thing they can't take is da love I have 4 u two" says another, beneath a picture of Duggan and Easton. "R.I.P. da bruddas gone but not forgotten," is a common remark, as well as "cant believe this" and "my heart goes out 2 ur wife&kids n the rest of ur family." On another memorial website, Easton's mother Julie who was godmother to Duggan left this message: "Mark sweetheart i know that you are in safe hands now. Kelvin please tell Mark 2 always shine down on [his mother and brothers], semone and the kids, just like u do for me. im gonna try my very best Kelvin 2 look after them all ... but my god this is so hard. 1st they take my son away from me and now they have taken my god son who is also my sons best friend. r.i.p Mark darling may god bless u and Kelvin and keep u both safe. now ive lost 2 sons. please no more i beg u r.i.p my sons."
Speaking to Channel 4 News, Wilson said her partner was not a gangster and would run from trouble rather than shoot at police. "If he did have a gun which I don't know Mark would run. Mark is a runner. He would run rather than firing and that's coming from the bottom of my heart," she said. "They are portraying Mark as a gangster. Mark is not a gangster. He's not known to any gangsters or any gangs. He's not like that." A relative, Shaun Hall, told reporters it was "utter rubbish" that Duggan would ever dream of opening fire on policemen: "My brother's not that sort of person," he said. "He's not stupid to shoot at the police, that's ridiculous."
But Duggan's Facebook page, under his alias Starrish Mark, pictures him in a T-shirt bearing the words Star Gang, and reports suggest he may have had links to that group and allied north London gangs such as the Broadwater Farm Posse and Tottenham Mandem. The Voice, Britain's leading black newspaper, has claimed that both Duggan and his best friend, 23-year-old rapper Kelvin Easton, known as Smegz, "had links to the Star Gang", one of several criminal groups in north London whose turf wars have caused at least three deaths over the past few years. Easton, described by the londonstreetgangs website as an "elder" of a group collectively called the Farm Mandem, was stabbed to death with a broken champagne bottle at the Boheme nightclub in Mile End, east London, in March 2011. The murder remains unsolved.
Duggan was born on September 15 1981 and attended St David's and St Katherine's, now Greig City Academy, in Hornsey. At the time of his death last Thursday he was under investigation by officers from Trident, the Metropolitan police unit responsible for gun crime within the black community. Duggan's Facebook page carries more than a dozen photographs of him and a large number of messages left by friends. Several shots show him in gangster poses; in others he is dressed all in black, or shown gesturing from behind the wheel of a yellow sportscar with headlights blazing. Beneath that photo Duggan posted the message: "I aint even countin money no more, if it aint right it jus aint right, it does'nt even matter 2 me no more." Other unconfirmed reports have alleged he was a known drugs dealer. Some of the messages posted by friends on his Facebook pages could suggest possible gang involvement, referring to Duggan variously as a "soldier", a "true star boy" and a "five star general". One of the messages left among the bouquets outside Duggan's family home yesterday referred to "Gang N17 Farm", the name of one of the Star gang's allies.
But others appear full of love, and sorrow. "I love you like cooked food," reads one comment; "1 thing they can't take is da love I have 4 u two" says another, beneath a picture of Duggan and Easton. "R.I.P. da bruddas gone but not forgotten," is a common remark, as well as "cant believe this" and "my heart goes out 2 ur wife&kids n the rest of ur family." On another memorial website, Easton's mother Julie who was godmother to Duggan left this message: "Mark sweetheart i know that you are in safe hands now. Kelvin please tell Mark 2 always shine down on [his mother and brothers], semone and the kids, just like u do for me. im gonna try my very best Kelvin 2 look after them all ... but my god this is so hard. 1st they take my son away from me and now they have taken my god son who is also my sons best friend. r.i.p Mark darling may god bless u and Kelvin and keep u both safe. now ive lost 2 sons. please no more i beg u r.i.p my sons."
- At least 450 people arrested
- The Police have been utterly overwhelmed in both numbers and response times
- People attacked, their homes broken into and set alight and at least two confirmed shootings - one in the face, including one reported attempted murder of a police officer. This video footage highlights the difficulty they have.
- Although predominately teenagers, young children and grown adults have been seen joining in
- 6000 officers were present, but only 1400 were trained and equipped as riot police. Prime Minister Dave 'call me Dave' Cameron has cancelled police leave in the city and plans to put 16,000 officers on the street - sparking criticism and doubt as to whether they can cope. Public anger seems to be growing, with calls of military intervention being one of the favoured approaches.
- More riots and looting is rumoured to be planned.
FAQ
Why is this happening?
As it began during the protest of the Duggan shooting, the prominent theory was that it was sparked by racial tensions in the area. Others have suggested that the poor academic record, as well as having one of highest unemployment figures in the capital, that there are underlying socio-economic reasons as to why these youths are causing trouble. The largely ineffective police response has spurred on copycat looters throughout the country to take advantage of the situation and cause damage to town centres and rob stores.
Why are the police unable to cope?
The movement of these thugs and looters is sporadic and unpredictable. In addition, the police and emergency crews are stretched out with pockets of 'incidents' in isolated parts of the city popping up. When they arrive at the scene, it's often too late or the youths simply run away too fast.
Do the police have firearms, water-cannons?
No. The police in the country do not carry firearms nor have access to them. Only limited special groups within the police force do, but they are only used in response to other firearms being used. Water cannons are not available on the mainland, but even if they were there are questions of how effective they would be; these are not crowds standing up to a police wall, but more akin to rats with their movement - they simply run at the first sight of police getting too close.
What is going to happen now?
No one knows. The authorities do not have control. Military intervention seems very unlikely at this point
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