Lord of the rings: Return of the King - as I missing something?
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Combichristoffersen said:
Don't Forget the Witch King of Angmar
since he breaks Gandalf's Staff
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UltimaPooh said:
You got a point there, but the Witch King was a originally human AFAIK (and thus a less powerful being than Gandaldf), albeit he did probably gain a lot of power from wearing one of the rings of power, and being under direct command of Sauron.
i_am_ben said:
See also Belgarath, his family, and his fellow disciples, and the slightly less rule-bound followers of Torak. That's in part to do with a sense of cosmic proportion and in part to let prophecy more or less do its thing.
Ursula le Guin does a fine job of reining in her wizards, too.
I never actually noticed this before. I was so willing to accept him simply as the benevolent guide. He sure likes to make his staff light up though. Many here say he was limiting himself because his primary duty was to act as a guide to the people of middle-earth because it was their struggle. If that is so, why didn't Gandalf and Saruman go balls to the wall when they confronted each other. At this point it wasn't a fight that was directly connected with the all the other stuff. They were pretty much fighting for their life, and all they did was push each other around quite a bit. Compare this old people fight to the main old people fight in Order of the Phoenix.
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agrajag said:
He does it in the extended cut of ROTK.
Magic in Middle-Earth circa LOTR is really really restrained due to the weakening presence of the elves and other creatures along with the rise of Men, who are not empowered in that way.
Now, Middle-Earth circa The Silmarillion is fucking bananas when it comes to magic and people conjuring shit, making prophecies, imbuing the power of god himself into some jewels, talking to animals, and other crazy things. I still want to see that series someday.
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oracrest said:
Glamdring.
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Did you happen to notice the nazgul?MrHicks said:
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Read the books dude if you're going to whine about it. It's not the water.MrHicks said:
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darkwings said:
Major Harry Potter Spoiler:
Dumbledore dies and stays dead, Gandalf returns from the dead even more powerful
Gandalf > Dumbledore
Gandalf > Dumbledore
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not to mention the power of rivendell, with additional magic from gandalf. And all it did was kill their horses. They weren't mounted on their flying beasts at that point.legend166 said:
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Could've just had Gandalf cast dimensional door, and push Frodo through.MrHicks said:
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Fëanor said:
To quote Goldberry, he just is.
Tolkien was never specific and never tried to be. He felt that some things just shouldn't be explained. All we know is that Tom Bombadil has existed in one form or another since at least before the Elves woke up, and the Ring has no power over him. Some people think he's really Iluvatar (god) incarnate but it's probably not that simple.
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That the movies cut massive amounts of shit out of the books, presenting some bad inconsistency? Reading is hard though, just keep watching movies.MrHicks said:
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Yet another place where the movie shat all over the book. The "green ghosts" didn't swallow up the armies in front of minas tirith, they only helped aragorn cut off some reinforcements, allowing the forces that were in other areas to join with him and come to the fight. The moronic moment in the films where three people jump off all the ships made me sad.
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Combichristoffersen said:
I'm pretty sure it says somewhere than Gandalf is as powerful as Sauron... However he was limited in his power as he was there simply to help mankind defeat sauron, not do it for them.
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itxaka said:
Ironically the apparent simplest thing was to simply walk into Mordor.
Who knew?
H.Cornerstone said:
Didn't he become more human and attached to Hobbits and Humans because of his human 'shell'? So he wanted to help them destroy him and not make the same mistakes again?
Fëanor said:
That's a detailed question. I like the link below. It's not authoritative, but is a really nice argument about the character. It's a long read, but well worth it if you are interested in the character.
http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html
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LAUGHTREY said:
Not really...he was sent to help inspire the foes of sauron. Ever since the valar and maiar practically destroyed the planet (and interfered with illuvatar's plan), they chose to not interfere directly by using their power. If they had wanted to, the valar could have ridden out and swatted sauron down, but they didn't for reasons that you can read in the silmarillion.
Therefore they send out the wizards to middle earth...maiar in human form, but not to use their full maiar power.
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I haven't seen the extended cuts of the movies (are there ones for all of them?), should I? Or are they Lucas-esque. I'm intrigued about this Mouth of Sauron that I see from time to time, what is it and what does it do? I don't care about spoilers really.
will you guys stop pretending like the nazgul are gonna stop gandalf from flying to the volcano?
they are like no match
the biggest WTF moment in lotr was this
"raaaar i am the witch king LORD of the nazgul bring it on!!!!!!!"
"No man can kill me. Die now"
*OH SNAP!!!!!! the UBER nazgul that dude looks like trouble can't wait!!*
"sup witchboy"
"BTW im a WOMAN bitch!!!"
"now STFU k thx bye"
*THE HELL???*
"whos next????"
i'm sure gandalf is shitting his pants right of having to fend those "badasses" off
they are like no match
the biggest WTF moment in lotr was this
"raaaar i am the witch king LORD of the nazgul bring it on!!!!!!!"
"No man can kill me. Die now"
*OH SNAP!!!!!! the UBER nazgul that dude looks like trouble can't wait!!*
"sup witchboy"
"BTW im a WOMAN bitch!!!"
"now STFU k thx bye"
*THE HELL???*
"whos next????"
i'm sure gandalf is shitting his pants right of having to fend those "badasses" off
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The extended cuts are pretty good if you like the source material. What they are not is what lucas did with special editions of star wars (going back decades later and adding new shit vs. including things that were filmed at the same time as the movies but had to be cut for time in the theatrical run).I should be doing hw said:
Mouth of sauron is sauron's lieutenant in the dark tower. In the books he has a great scene. In the EE, he's a bit lame comparatively, but if you didn't know what his backstory is, he works well in the movie.
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MrHicks said:
Books continue to be confusing.
As far as I see it the Valar saw that men would be ruling the Earth in days to come so they sent Maiar that were wise and helpful rather than sending those with flat out power to combat Sauron. They recognised that it was important to help humans help themselves so that in the future men would be able to deal with these problems themselves. Gandalfs true power came from his ability to inspire people and rally them to fight for what they believed in.
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Read books. I know it's hard, but some 3rd graders have been able to make it through them.MrHicks said:
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MrHicks said:
I understand your reluctance to read books, since you evidently see phantom words and concepts in text that isn't there. Where did I mention blades? Books. B-O-O-K-S - not b l a d e s.
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