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[Combichristoffersen]

Elves at helm's deep, shield surfing, unaccountably stupid parts of the battle like aragorn and gimli sneaking out of the front door and somehow holding the bridge for no reason. Removal of the huorns (even in the EE they don't play any real important role)

As for rohan, I thought the character of theoden was shat upon in jackson's version. He was a whining pussy basically from the time he is cured by gandalf until the third movie. Stupid changes like aragorn wanting to spare wormtongue for no reason while theoden wants to kill him. The book's scene in that regard made sense, in the movie it was like...wait, why does aragorn care? Made no sense and pissed on the strong character from the book.

I can see why people would dislike the shield surfing (it was admittedly a bit over the top, but Legolas was, for some reason, painted as this 'larger than life' character throughout all three movies), but the inclusion of the elves never really bothered me that much, even though there was no real reason for Jackson to include that change. Personally none of the changes Jackson did to the source material bothered me very much, maybe except for Sauron being a giant burning vagina (but Jackson later admitted that it was based on an honest misunderstanding of the book) and the removal of the barrow-wight. I wanted to see some barrow-wight action

 

[elrechazado]

I can see why people would dislike the shield surfing (it was admittedly a bit over the top, but Legolas was, for some reason, painted as this 'larger than life' character throughout all three movies), but the inclusion of the elves never really bothered me that much, even though there was no real reason for Jackson to include that change. Personally none of the changes Jackson did to the source material bothered me very much, maybe except for Sauron being a giant burning vagina (but Jackson later admitted that it was based on an honest misunderstanding of the book) and the removal of the barrow-wight. I wanted to see some barrow-wight action

Don't get me wrong, I love the movies, but TTT was the weakest in my opinion, and not because of the source material. Honestly the biggest annoyance in that movie to me was having the hobbits trick the ents.

Oh, also the stupid aragorn fake death sequence was so bad that I had almost forgotten it due to the repressed memory. I mean really, what was the point of that trash?

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Oh, also the stupid aragorn fake death sequence was so bad that I had almost forgotten it due to the repressed memory.

You mean the one where we get some hot man on horse kissing after Aragorn finally took a bath? :lol

 

[Freshmaker]

The movie was already 3 hours....How much longer did you want it to be?

They wouldn't have had to extend the running time at all. Just cut out the stupid. No elves at Helm's Deep. Fix the scene with the Ents so that the hobbits didn't trick them into fighting (a change made only because they wanted to stick to that BS hero's journey formula as closely as possible.) Axe the BS charge down the mountainside. Axe the horse kissing. Get rid of the constant shots of Isengard's bowels.

Make Theordin a real king. Make the Ents relevant. 'Cause honestly, it's not just that the hobbits had to trick the Ents, it was that Jackson made the Ents into a group of idiots. "Yeah well, I called this Moot, but you see, we're ents shepherds of the forest, and we apparently had no idea that Sarumon was cutting down trees, so we're cool with doing nothing. In fact, we have no idea why we called the moot at all...."

Then in the commentary, Jackson is fucking PROUD of these changes! Rrrargh!

While I agree the book is better than the movie, that doesn't take away from the movie which I still think is awesome.

The movie crapping on the book takes away from both. It undermines perfectly good scenes in the book for no reason, and it makes a bad movie.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Don't get me wrong, I love the movies, but TTT was the weakest in my opinion, and not because of the source material. Honestly the biggest annoyance in that movie to me was having the hobbits trick the ents.

Oh, also the stupid aragorn fake death sequence was so bad that I had almost forgotten it due to the repressed memory. I mean really, what was the point of that trash?

I'd argue it had a lot to do with the source material. FOTR is very streamlined, focusing mainly on one story. TTT features a couple interesting stories, plus one horribly boring story (Merry and Pippen+Ents). Those scenes take the air out the film

And yea, the fake Aragon story was beyond horrible; TTT is a great movie imo but that scene really pisses me off. I doubt many viewers were tricked by it, regardless of whether they read the book or not, so it really served no purpose; they could have had someone else find out about Saruman's army marching.

 

[Freshmaker]

I'd argue it had a lot to do with the source material. FOTR is very streamlined, focusing mainly on one story. TTT features a couple interesting stories, plus one horribly boring story (Merry and Pippen+Ents). Those scenes take the air out the film

Without the Ents, Sarumon would've been a major threat with his armies. With the Ents, Sarumon is neutered.

This works in the books, because Sarumon is just a looming threat. In the movies, Sarumon's presented as pretty much the main threat in FotR, and they blow a ton of time hyping Sarumon's armies in TT as well. It was a colossal waste of time on Jackson's part since the Ents end up owning Sarumon completely.

So to balance this somehow, Jackson elected to blow off the Ents? :lol

 

[NullPointer]

I read somewhere in the appendixes that he did the whole mission to kill Smaug so that a re-established kingdom in Dale and Erebor would be able to keep Mordor's long reach from getting into Eriador and possibly threatening Rivendell and the Grey Havens. And the whole idea in his head came from a "chance meeting" of Thorin at the Prancing Pony. lol

If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, all Gandalf did was nudge Bilbo out the door

 

[BattlestarDT]

Elves at helm's deep, shield surfing, unaccountably stupid parts of the battle like aragorn and gimli sneaking out of the front door and somehow holding the bridge for no reason. Removal of the huorns (even in the EE they don't play any real important role)

As for rohan, I thought the character of theoden was shat upon in jackson's version. He was a whining pussy basically from the time he is cured by gandalf until the third movie. Stupid changes like aragorn wanting to spare wormtongue for no reason while theoden wants to kill him. The book's scene in that regard made sense, in the movie it was like...wait, why does aragorn care? Made no sense and pissed on the strong character from the book.

The scene where Aragorn and Gimli use the "postern door" is directly taken from the books, although there were also a handful of "stout swordsmen" and Eomer that went with them. The gate above the causeway is broken, so Gimli and Aragorn buy some time to make a barricade of wood and stones. They make a small sortie to give the gate a small reprieve to repair, and then go back inside.

 

[Deadly]

Wait what, there were no elves present in Helm's Deep in the book? Man I haven't read the book in ages, I can't even remember this. Who was the elf that had a death during Helm's Deep then? I always thought the elves looked kinda cool in their armor and shit during that scene but knowing they weren't even meant to be there kinda takes that all away...

 

[BattlestarDT]

Wait what, there were no elves present in Helm's Deep in the book? Man I haven't read the book in ages, I can't even remember this. Who was the elf that had a death during Helm's Deep then? I always thought the elves looked kinda cool in their armor and shit during that scene but knowing they weren't even meant to be there kinda takes that all away...

In the movie the main elf dude is Haldir, one of the March-Wardens of Lorien, but there aren't any elves in Helm's Deep other than Legolas in the books (unless you count the unborn child in Legolas's womb)

 

[elrechazado]

The scene where Aragorn and Gimli use the "postern door" is directly taken from the books, although there were also a handful of "stout swordsmen" and Eomer that went with them. The gate above the causeway is broken, so Gimli and Aragorn buy some time to make a barricade of wood and stones. They make a small sortie to give the gate a small reprieve to repair, and then go back inside.

I know, the interpretation was completely terrible.

 

[BattlestarDT]

I know, the interpretation was completely terrible.

I re-create the dwarf tossing scene from TTT movie by dressing my kitty up as Gimli and tossing him (gently) from one bunkbed to another.

 

[jett]

(unless you count the unborn child in Legolas's womb)

wat

 

[BattlestarDT]

wat

 

[RS4-]

Yeah uhh, what's up with that Legolas baby thing :lol

 

[elrechazado]

legolas is a chick meme

 

[BattlestarDT]

LEGOLAS IS NOT A MEME

 

[NullPointer]

This thread got me to watch the Fellowship of the Ring extended version last night, and into the morn. And yeah, Gandalf the Grey does come across as a stoner most of the time. Just his gleeful chuckling when grabbing some fireworks for Bilbo's party is fucking priceless.

After watching it again, Elijah Wood's reactions to the ring and to getting skewered by the cave troll are pretty painful to watch. Looks like an extra strength bout of Shire Diarrhea going on there.

But Boromir's fall is just as potent each time I watch it. He's also the character in the trilogy that I can empathize most with.

Not looking as forward to watching the Two Towers, if only because you've all reminded me of the stupid stuff that's injected into the story, ie. Aragorn's cliff fall, Legolas shield surfing, dwarf tossing, etc. I'll power through it just to see Helm's Deep and Gollum again though.

 

[BattlestarDT]

I like the part in ROTK where it zooms in on Sam's mouth, and he says in slow motion "Share the load"

 

[BattlestarDT]

This thread got me to watch the Fellowship of the Ring extended version last night, and into the morn. And yeah, Gandalf the Grey does come across as a stoner most of the time. Just his gleeful chuckling when grabbing some fireworks for Bilbo's party is fucking priceless.

After watching it again, Elijah Wood's reactions to the ring and to getting skewered by the cave troll are pretty painful to watch. Looks like an extra strength bout of Shire Diarrhea going on there.

But Boromir's fall is just as potent each time I watch it. He's also the character in the trilogy that I can empathize most with.

Not looking as forward to watching the Two Towers, if only because you've all reminded me of the stupid stuff that's injected into the story, ie. Aragorn's cliff fall, Legolas shield surfing, dwarf tossing, etc. I'll power through it just to see Helm's Deep and Gollum again though.

Boromir was awesome, I might have teared up a little when it showed his death at the end of FOTR. In the book I empathize most with Faramir, but in the movie, Boromir's story definitely gets me going.

Faramir in the books: "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend" and "Do you wish that our places had been reversed, that I had died and Boromir had lived?"

Boromir: "They took the little ones". The "my brother, my captain my king" speech.

Both made me ;_;

 

[El Papa]

All the horse kissing talk made me kiss my cat.

Spoiler

smelled like cat food

 

[Ulairi]

After reading this thread, last night I started to read The Hobbit again. I'm going to continue through the Lord of the Rings, they are really great books.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

This thread got me to watch the Fellowship of the Ring extended version last night, and into the morn. And yeah, Gandalf the Grey does come across as a stoner most of the time. Just his gleeful chuckling when grabbing some fireworks for Bilbo's party is fucking priceless.

You should watch this. Gandalf with his 5000 Watt bass machine :lol

 

[elrechazado]

Boromir was so fantastic, and faramir so bad in the movies, that even as a tolkien purist I might have been ok if they had combined the characters and just let boromir keep going

Seriously though, sean bean was amazing, and david wenham sucked.

 

[Freshmaker]

The stupid voiceover clip always bears reposting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OLGx2lGtOc

 

[Combichristoffersen]

The stupid voiceover clip always bears reposting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OLGx2lGtOc

Gandalf loves his hat

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I actually liked the adding of the Elves at Helms Deep by Jackson. I thought it was a nice touch (but then I am a sucker for Elves).

 

[BattlestarDT]

I actually liked the adding of the Elves at Helms Deep by Jackson. I thought it was a nice touch (but then I am a sucker for Elves).

IMO, I thought it was fucking retarded. Like if Cuba was invading Miami, and somehow 200 Canadians show up to help.

Peter Jackson also way overdid the "most have seen too many winters...or too few", with that fucking montage of little kids getting armor and swords and shit. The line in the book makes it seem more like Tolkien is saying that some of the soldiers at Helm's Deep are like the National Guard or Home Guard in England, kids 16-18 who just started training as fighting men or guys like 35-45 who are past their prime but still hale, which makes sense since most of the front-line or first echelon guys have been fighting at the Fords of Isen.

 

[I should be doing hw]

Boromir was so fantastic, and faramir so bad in the movies, that even as a tolkien purist I might have been ok if they had combined the characters and just let boromir keep going

Seriously though, sean bean was amazing, and david wenham sucked.

Wasn't he though, he had the least amount of screen time and I still think he is the best character in the movies. Had the characters been combined and he lived I don't think he would have been as good. His death made him awesome, Heath Ledger effect and all that. :lol

Only odd thing about that whole scene to me is how all the Orcs just abandon their leader, sure they spare Boromir for him to kill but why do they seemingly disappear as if they had run off immediately after they had the Hobbits? Had they stayed and watched they probably could have cockblocked the return of the the king.

 

[elrechazado]

Wasn't he though, he had the least amount of screen time and I still think he is the best character in the movies. Had the characters been combined and he lived I don't think he would have been as good. His death made him awesome, Heath Ledger effect and all that. :lol

Only odd thing about that whole scene to me is how all the Orcs just abandon their leader, sure they spare Boromir for him to kill but why do they seemingly disappear as if they had run off immediately after they had the Hobbits? Had they stayed and watched they probably could have cockblocked the return of the the king.

They were sent by saruman to get the ring, period. When they get the halflings it's book it back to saruman, per their orders. The book explains better imo.

 

[I should be doing hw]

They were sent by saruman to get the ring, period. When they get the halflings it's book it back to saruman, per their orders. The book explains better imo.

But doesn't he also specify to kill the rest? Besides who doesn't wait for their leader though? Especially orcs which I would imagine have a leadership heirachy through strength, if my guys left me I'd fuck them up :lol

 

[elrechazado]

But doesn't he also specify to kill the rest? Besides who doesn't wait for their leader though? Especially orcs which I would imagine have a leadership heirachy through strength, if my guys left me I'd fuck them up :lol

He did in the movie yeah, so I see what you're saying. I dunno, jackson took poetic license and made the uruk hai leader kind of a bastard. He really seemed to want to show that he was wanting to be a badass and extra mean.

As for the rest of that scene, I thought it was well done in showing the spirit of the books, that the orcs really had no idea how close or how many elves dwarves or men were nearby. They had to get the halflings, so they ignored aragorn and gimli and legolas, got the prize, and ran. Pretty unflinching loyalty, except for the testy leader dude.

 

[Deku]

Is it wrong? but I can't stand gollum/ frodo scenes in ROTK. I just skip them upon rewatching on DVD.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

They wouldn't have had to extend the running time at all. Just cut out the stupid. No elves at Helm's Deep. Fix the scene with the Ents so that the hobbits didn't trick them into fighting (a change made only because they wanted to stick to that BS hero's journey formula as closely as possible.) Axe the BS charge down the mountainside. Axe the horse kissing. Get rid of the constant shots of Isengard's bowels.

Make Theordin a real king. Make the Ents relevant. 'Cause honestly, it's not just that the hobbits had to trick the Ents, it was that Jackson made the Ents into a group of idiots. "Yeah well, I called this Moot, but you see, we're ents shepherds of the forest, and we apparently had no idea that Sarumon was cutting down trees, so we're cool with doing nothing. In fact, we have no idea why we called the moot at all...."

Then in the commentary, Jackson is fucking PROUD of these changes! Rrrargh!

The movie crapping on the book takes away from both. It undermines perfectly good scenes in the book for no reason, and it makes a bad movie.

Ehh... I guess the changes don't bother me like they do you. I never thought of them as tricking the ents. More of showing them the destruction Saruman had done to the forest.

 

[NullPointer]

Only odd thing about that whole scene to me is how all the Orcs just abandon their leader, sure they spare Boromir for him to kill but why do they seemingly disappear as if they had run off immediately after they had the Hobbits? Had they stayed and watched they probably could have cockblocked the return of the the king.

Yep, Boromir was the shit. I empathize with the man because his demands were reasonable considering his situation. Sending a small band of leaders to guard a few hobbits through Mordor does seem like madness incarnate, especially so after Gandalf fell, and even moreso as he got to know Aragorn and his reluctance for any power whatsoever. All the while Boromir knows that when the time comes Gondor will need all the help it can get.

But I wouldn't say the Uruks spared him to be killed by their leader. Boromir took a ton of those fuckers down before being felled by those black broomsticks for arrows. And yeah, the Uruks did take off quickly after snatching up the halflings, but considering the sheer tonnage killed by Aragorn, Legolas and Boromir alone, it was probably a wise call. Even fresh manflesh isn't worth all that kind of hassle.

You really get a sense of the numbers Boromir dropped in the extended version. There he was, taking them all on, with Merry and Pippin in the back throwing rocks like Hobbits would.

It was also nice to see Pippin get some small bit of redemption in luring the uruk Hai away from Frodo there at the end. I mean, he is responsible for nearly killing Frodo, and definitely for killing Gandalf. That's got to be a serious weight on someone's shoulders.

One last thing: When I first heard this movie was being made, I wished that Cate Blanchett could be Galadriel, as I thought there couldn't be anyone alive that could do it better. I only wish she felt the same way.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Ehh... I guess the changes don't bother me like they do you. I never thought of them as tricking the ents. More of showing them the destruction Saruman had done to the forest.

None of the changes ever really bothered me, except for that burning vagina and how they took away my barrow-wight.

 

[I should be doing hw]

Yep, Boromir was the shit. I empathize with the man because his demands were reasonable considering his situation. Sending a small band of leaders to guard a few hobbits through Mordor does seem like madness incarnate, especially so after Gandalf fell, and even moreso as he got to know Aragorn and his reluctance for any power whatsoever. All the while Boromir knows that when the time comes Gondor will need all the help it can get.

But I wouldn't say the Uruks spared him to be killed by their leader. Boromir took a ton of those fuckers down before being felled by those black broomsticks for arrows. And yeah, the Uruks did take off quickly after snatching up the halflings, but considering the sheer tonnage killed by Aragorn, Legolas and Boromir alone, it was probably a wise call. Even fresh manflesh isn't worth all that kind of hassle.

You really get a sense of the numbers Boromir dropped in the extended version. There he was, taking them all on, with Merry and Pippin in the back throwing rocks like Hobbits would.

It was also nice to see Pippin get some small bit of redemption in luring the uruk Hai away from Frodo there at the end. I mean, he is responsible for nearly killing Frodo, and definitely for killing Gandalf. That's got to be a serious weight on someone's shoulders.

One last thing: When I first heard this movie was being made, I wished that Cate Blanchett could be Galadriel, as I thought there couldn't be anyone alive that could do it better. I only wish she felt the same way.

!!! Does the extended version feature more Boromir?!? Fuckk I must see it if it does. Can someone list the inclusions of the EE's if it wouldn't take too much time? Wiki is failing me at the moment.

None of the changes ever really bothered me, except for that burning vagina and how they took away my barrow-wight.

What's this barrow-wight you speak of so fondly?

 

[elrechazado]

!!! Does the extended version feature more Boromir?!? Fuckk I must see it if it does. Can someone list the inclusions of the EE's if it wouldn't take too much time? Wiki is failing me at the moment.


What's this barrow-wight you speak of so fondly?

Yeah, boromir/faramir scenes = win. Unfortunately they also remind you at that point how much faramir in the movies sucked.

barrow wights are where the hobbits get their weapons (not from aragorn as in the movies). They are basically monsters that inhabit the graves of the northern kingdom, where the hobbits are traversing on their way to bree.

 

[Freshmaker]

What's this barrow-wight you speak of so fondly?

Mark Henry's and Mae Young's progeny. Bombadil stomped it flat.

Ehh... I guess the changes don't bother me like they do you. I never thought of them as tricking the ents. More of showing them the destruction Saruman had done to the forest.

It was dumb though. Why wouldn't the Ents know? Why the hell were they calling a moot if they didn't think they might have to act?

The changes were pointless and made the Ents look like fools.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

barrow wights are where the hobbits get their weapons (not from aragorn as in the movies). They are basically monsters that inhabit the graves of the northern kingdom, where the hobbits are traversing on their way to bree.

Yeah, I remember loving that part of the book, where they see this giant monster hand creeping around the corner of the tomb. When I first saw the movie and there was no giant monster hand, I felt kinda cheated :lol

 

[NullPointer]

!!! Does the extended version feature more Boromir?!? Fuckk I must see it if it does. Can someone list the inclusions of the EE's if it wouldn't take too much time? Wiki is failing me at the moment.

A tiny bit more in Fellowship, much more in Return of the King. But yeah, the extended editions are without a doubt worth watching. They include longer character scenes, extended battles, and more tidbits from the Silmarillion. They aren't extended versions so much as the theatrical releases are cut versions.

Edit: According this this:

The Fellowship of the Ring - 30 more minutes
The Two Towers - 40 more minutes
Return of the King - 50 more minutes

You can also follow some links from the site above to see trailers that talk about the extended scenes and the like for each film.

And these aren't just DVD "extras". This footage is cut directly and seamlessly into the movie itself, with the original score being extended as well. There are also something like 20 hours of "making of" stuff that blows my mind even now.

 

[MagicJackBauer]

I really don't see how Gandalf beats Dumbledore in a battle.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I really don't see how Gandalf beats Dumbledore in a battle.

Gandalf is a divine being, wielding one of the Rings of Power, one of very, very few who have fought a balrog and deafeated it, and by the end of the Third Age he's the most powerful of the istari.
Dumbledore is a human.

BTW, for those who might not know: Battlelore, a Finnish band basing most of their lyrics and image on Tolkien's writings. Cheesy as fuck, but still rather enjoyable.

 

[MagicJackBauer]

Gandalf is a divine being, wielding one of the Rings of Power, one of very, very few who have fought a balrog and deafeated it, and by the end of the Third Age he's the most powerful of the istari.
Dumbledore is a human.

I just see Gandlaf as being someone who does more through his influences on others. Dumblefore handles his problems himself.

 

[elrechazado]

I just see Gandlaf as being someone who does more through his influences on others. Dumblefore handles his problems himself.

by dying

 

[Combichristoffersen]

by dying

And not returning an even more powerful being.

 

[MagicJackBauer]

More powerful in his influential skills.

 

[elrechazado]

More powerful in his influential skills.

If harry had gandalf inspiring him he'd have had a hermoine ginny weasely threesome while killing voldemort, and scoring quidditch records, all at the same time.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

If harry had gandalf inspiring him he'd have had a hermoine ginny weasely threesome while killing voldemort, and scoring quidditch records, all at the same time.

:lol

Seriously though, yes, Dumbledore pulls off more flashy special effects and magic compared to Gandalf, and yes, Gandalf works mainly through influencing others (but it's been explained adequately in this thread why Gandalf does that), but if you would let Gandalf, without having him restrain his magical and divine powers, go one on one against Dumbledore, I really can't imagine Dumbledore emerging as the winner.

 

[I should be doing hw]

If harry had gandalf inspiring him he'd have had a hermoine ginny weasely threesome while killing voldemort, and scoring quidditch records, all at the same time.

Instead he will never get the image of Ron fucking Hermoine out of his mind, knowing he could have had a 100x hotter chick than the 'ranga he got stuck with.
Do you think that Harry has a photo of Dumbledore in his room? That would be so fucked up if he did :lol