Kev Kev
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you need to get offline and talk to people IRL. also the youtube video has 62k likes, not 29
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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, new teaser trailer
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Bragr
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What trailer are you looking at? I'm looking at the amazon official one, it has 29k, not that it really matters, just curious.
My friends hate this more than the internet folks. It has good effects, and I gotta see it before I judge it properly, but any LOTR fan is not gonna be a big fan of this.
Tams
Member
No online community has the numbers of people willing to game that. So clearly it hasn't gone down well with 'real life' people.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'll give it a shot but my expectations are low. This is high-budget fan fiction after all. It'll probably be just as soulless as 90 percent of all original streaming content.
Kev Kev
Member
a lot of it will be made up but they absolutely sourced it from tolkiens own writing in the lotr appendices
I fully expect the script to work like a mad-libs, with Tolkein terms, people, and places inserted in what is otherwise a script almost totally divorced from anything found in Tolkeins writing.
But I'd be ecstatic if I'm wrong. That first episode has got to NAIL IT from second one.
Tams
Member
Yeah, the writers are pretty much nobodies with the little work they do have as junior members of staff on mediocre projects at best.
And then they get handed one of the biggest budgets ever.
Kev Kev
Member
i agree. only reason i disputed bragr post is because he took some random like/dislike ratio (off twitter i guess?) and ignored the youtube video
Kev Kev
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ManaByte
posted this earlier and im going to repost for people calling this fan fiction.The Rings of Power in the Second Age
About 500 years into the Second Age, Sauron reappeared,[T 17] intent on taking over Middle-earth and ruling it as a God-King.[T 4][T 15][T 21][T 22] To seduce the Elves into his service, Sauron assumed a fair appearance as Annatar, "Lord of Gifts",[T 13] befriended the Elven-smiths of Eregion, led by Celebrimbor, and counselled them in arts and magic. With Sauron's assistance, the Elven-smiths forged the Rings of Power. He then secretly forged the One Ring, to rule all other rings, in the volcanic Mount Doom in Mordor.[T 15] The Elves detected his influence when he put on the One Ring, and removed their Rings. Enraged, Sauron initiated a great war and conquered much of the land west of Anduin. Sauron overran Eregion, killed Celebrimbor, and seized the Seven and the Nine Rings of Power. The Three Rings were saved by the Elves, specifically Gil-galad, Círdan, and Galadriel. Sauron besieged Imladris, battled Khazad-dûm and Lothlórien, and pushed further into Gil-galad's realm. The Elves were saved when a powerful army from Númenor arrived to their aid, defeating Sauron's forces and driving the remnant back to Mordor. Sauron fortified Mordor and completed the Dark Tower of Barad-dûr. He distributed the remaining rings of the Seven and the Nine to lords of Dwarves and Men, respectively. Dwarves proved too resilient to bend to his will, but he enslaved Men as the Nazgûl, his most feared servants. Orcs and Trolls became his servants, along with Easterlings and men of Harad.[T 4]
Downfall of Númenor
Further information: The Silmarillion § Akallabêth
Toward the end of the Second Age, Ar-Pharazôn, king of Númenor, led a massive army to Middle-earth. Sauron surrendered, to corrupt Númenor from within.[T 23][T 3] With the One Ring, Sauron soon dominated the Númenóreans.[T 23] He used his influence to undermine the religion of Númenor, making people worship Melkor with human sacrifice; Sauron was his high priest.[T 3][T 24]
Sauron convinced Ar-Pharazôn to attack Aman by sea to steal immortality from the Valar.[T 3][T 15] The Valar laid down their guardianship of the world and appealed to Eru.[T 3] Eru destroyed the attacking fleet and armies, but also drowned Númenor, which was removed from the physical world, and destroyed Sauron's body, with his ability to appear beautiful.[T 23]
War of the Last Alliance
Led by Elendil, nine ships carrying faithful Númenóreans were saved from the Downfall; they founded the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. Sauron returned to Mordor; Mount Doom again erupted.[T 25] Sauron captured Minas Ithil and destroyed the White Tree; Elendil's son Isildur escaped down the Anduin. Anárion defended Osgiliath and for a time drove Sauron's forces back to the mountains.[T 13] Isildur and Anárion formed an alliance and defeated Sauron at Dagorlad. They invaded Mordor and laid siege to Barad-dûr for seven years. Finally Sauron came out to fight Elendil and Gil-galad face to face.[T 15] When Elendil fell, his sword Narsil broke beneath him. Isildur took up the hilt-shard of Narsil and cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, vanquishing Sauron. Elrond and Círdan, Gil-galad's lieutenants, urged Isildur to destroy the Ring by casting it into Mount Doom, which would have banished Sauron from Middle-earth for ever, but he refused and kept it for his own.[T 13]
the creators/writers have openly claimed it will be faithful to that source material, implying that they will be the most important plot points. from those plot points they will expand creatively.
i say "expand creatively" bc "fan fiction" has a negative connotation that i dont feel is fair. saying fan fiction makes me think they said "hey lets take aragorn and legolas and throw them into some random adventure they went on, maybe before or after the lotr books, and then completely make everything up from there, never using any real plot points".
thats not what this show is doing. so calling it fan fiction feels like an unfair dig, imo
this is fair. the hobbit wasnt as god as the lotr trilogy. we'll have to wait and see about the actual quality/script/acting of the show. CGI doesnt bother me so bring it on, i say. but the make up and costumes they used on those orcs (which look fantastic) gives me hope they will still try to implement a lot of pratical effects.
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OmegaSupreme
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So they're basing hours of material on 5 paragraphs? Is there more?
The Rings of Power in the Second Age
About 500 years into the Second Age, Sauron reappeared,[T 17] intent on taking over Middle-earth and ruling it as a God-King.[T 4][T 15][T 21][T 22] To seduce the Elves into his service, Sauron assumed a fair appearance as Annatar, "Lord of Gifts",[T 13] befriended the Elven-smiths of Eregion, led by Celebrimbor, and counselled them in arts and magic. With Sauron's assistance, the Elven-smiths forged the Rings of Power. He then secretly forged the One Ring, to rule all other rings, in the volcanic Mount Doom in Mordor.[T 15] The Elves detected his influence when he put on the One Ring, and removed their Rings. Enraged, Sauron initiated a great war and conquered much of the land west of Anduin. Sauron overran Eregion, killed Celebrimbor, and seized the Seven and the Nine Rings of Power. The Three Rings were saved by the Elves, specifically Gil-galad, Círdan, and Galadriel. Sauron besieged Imladris, battled Khazad-dûm and Lothlórien, and pushed further into Gil-galad's realm. The Elves were saved when a powerful army from Númenor arrived to their aid, defeating Sauron's forces and driving the remnant back to Mordor. Sauron fortified Mordor and completed the Dark Tower of Barad-dûr. He distributed the remaining rings of the Seven and the Nine to lords of Dwarves and Men, respectively. Dwarves proved too resilient to bend to his will, but he enslaved Men as the Nazgûl, his most feared servants. Orcs and Trolls became his servants, along with Easterlings and men of Harad.[T 4]
Downfall of Númenor
Further information: The Silmarillion § Akallabêth
Toward the end of the Second Age, Ar-Pharazôn, king of Númenor, led a massive army to Middle-earth. Sauron surrendered, to corrupt Númenor from within.[T 23][T 3] With the One Ring, Sauron soon dominated the Númenóreans.[T 23] He used his influence to undermine the religion of Númenor, making people worship Melkor with human sacrifice; Sauron was his high priest.[T 3][T 24]
Sauron convinced Ar-Pharazôn to attack Aman by sea to steal immortality from the Valar.[T 3][T 15] The Valar laid down their guardianship of the world and appealed to Eru.[T 3] Eru destroyed the attacking fleet and armies, but also drowned Númenor, which was removed from the physical world, and destroyed Sauron's body, with his ability to appear beautiful.[T 23]
War of the Last Alliance
Led by Elendil, nine ships carrying faithful Númenóreans were saved from the Downfall; they founded the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. Sauron returned to Mordor; Mount Doom again erupted.[T 25] Sauron captured Minas Ithil and destroyed the White Tree; Elendil's son Isildur escaped down the Anduin. Anárion defended Osgiliath and for a time drove Sauron's forces back to the mountains.[T 13] Isildur and Anárion formed an alliance and defeated Sauron at Dagorlad. They invaded Mordor and laid siege to Barad-dûr for seven years. Finally Sauron came out to fight Elendil and Gil-galad face to face.[T 15] When Elendil fell, his sword Narsil broke beneath him. Isildur took up the hilt-shard of Narsil and cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, vanquishing Sauron. Elrond and Círdan, Gil-galad's lieutenants, urged Isildur to destroy the Ring by casting it into Mount Doom, which would have banished Sauron from Middle-earth for ever, but he refused and kept it for his own.[T 13]
the creators/writers have openly claimed it will be faithful to that source material, implying that they will be the most important plot points. from those plot points they will expand creatively.
i say "expand creatively" bc "fan fiction" has a negative connotation that i dont feel is fair. saying fan fiction makes me think they said "hey lets take aragorn and legolas and throw them into some random adventure they went on, maybe before or after the lotr books, and then completely make everything up from there, never using any real plot points".
thats not what this show is doing. so calling it fan fiction feels like an unfair dig, imo
this is fair. the hobbit wasnt as god as the lotr trilogy. we'll have to wait and see about the actual quality/script/acting of the show. CGI doesnt bother me so bring it on, i say. but the make up and costumes they used on those orcs (which look fanatstic) gives me hope they will still try to implement a lot of pratical effects.
Fuz
Banned
Galadriel has a sword.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Kev Kev
Member
im pretty sure they have a special deal with the estate that allows them to use much more than that, yes. but im not 100% on those details.
im also fairly certain they will be able to use everything from the lotr books themselves. so yeah there is a ton more.
ManaByte
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The LOTR Appendices and the last 20 pages of The Silmarillion cover it and the Estate is publishing more on November.
Ulysses 31
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Nop, they don't have the rights to the actual Silmarillion book.
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Get an exclusive look at 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'
Before Amazon Prime Video's ambitious TV series 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' takes over Comic-Con, set sail with EW's exclusive sneak peek.
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Kev Kev
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lol there it is again. you and K Kimahri would be great friendsNop, they don't have the rights to the actual Silmarillion book.
Get an exclusive look at 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'
Before Amazon Prime Video's ambitious TV series 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' takes over Comic-Con, set sail with EW's exclusive sneak peek.ew.com
there is more than enough material for them to work with. you keep focusing on what they dont have in order to support your argument, while ignoring what they do have and what they have stated
heres a nuanced take... it will be faithful to important plot points written by tolkien himself while also making up narrative to help string those points together.
fair? or are you dead set on just being a hater?
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TaylorSwiftFan
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Except that the trailer makes it look like fan fiction with it being the adventures of Galadriel. And the harfoots being in the second age and the elves of colour.
The Rings of Power in the Second Age
About 500 years into the Second Age, Sauron reappeared,[T 17] intent on taking over Middle-earth and ruling it as a God-King.[T 4][T 15][T 21][T 22] To seduce the Elves into his service, Sauron assumed a fair appearance as Annatar, "Lord of Gifts",[T 13] befriended the Elven-smiths of Eregion, led by Celebrimbor, and counselled them in arts and magic. With Sauron's assistance, the Elven-smiths forged the Rings of Power. He then secretly forged the One Ring, to rule all other rings, in the volcanic Mount Doom in Mordor.[T 15] The Elves detected his influence when he put on the One Ring, and removed their Rings. Enraged, Sauron initiated a great war and conquered much of the land west of Anduin. Sauron overran Eregion, killed Celebrimbor, and seized the Seven and the Nine Rings of Power. The Three Rings were saved by the Elves, specifically Gil-galad, Círdan, and Galadriel. Sauron besieged Imladris, battled Khazad-dûm and Lothlórien, and pushed further into Gil-galad's realm. The Elves were saved when a powerful army from Númenor arrived to their aid, defeating Sauron's forces and driving the remnant back to Mordor. Sauron fortified Mordor and completed the Dark Tower of Barad-dûr. He distributed the remaining rings of the Seven and the Nine to lords of Dwarves and Men, respectively. Dwarves proved too resilient to bend to his will, but he enslaved Men as the Nazgûl, his most feared servants. Orcs and Trolls became his servants, along with Easterlings and men of Harad.[T 4]
Downfall of Númenor
Further information: The Silmarillion § Akallabêth
Toward the end of the Second Age, Ar-Pharazôn, king of Númenor, led a massive army to Middle-earth. Sauron surrendered, to corrupt Númenor from within.[T 23][T 3] With the One Ring, Sauron soon dominated the Númenóreans.[T 23] He used his influence to undermine the religion of Númenor, making people worship Melkor with human sacrifice; Sauron was his high priest.[T 3][T 24]
Sauron convinced Ar-Pharazôn to attack Aman by sea to steal immortality from the Valar.[T 3][T 15] The Valar laid down their guardianship of the world and appealed to Eru.[T 3] Eru destroyed the attacking fleet and armies, but also drowned Númenor, which was removed from the physical world, and destroyed Sauron's body, with his ability to appear beautiful.[T 23]
War of the Last Alliance
Led by Elendil, nine ships carrying faithful Númenóreans were saved from the Downfall; they founded the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. Sauron returned to Mordor; Mount Doom again erupted.[T 25] Sauron captured Minas Ithil and destroyed the White Tree; Elendil's son Isildur escaped down the Anduin. Anárion defended Osgiliath and for a time drove Sauron's forces back to the mountains.[T 13] Isildur and Anárion formed an alliance and defeated Sauron at Dagorlad. They invaded Mordor and laid siege to Barad-dûr for seven years. Finally Sauron came out to fight Elendil and Gil-galad face to face.[T 15] When Elendil fell, his sword Narsil broke beneath him. Isildur took up the hilt-shard of Narsil and cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, vanquishing Sauron. Elrond and Círdan, Gil-galad's lieutenants, urged Isildur to destroy the Ring by casting it into Mount Doom, which would have banished Sauron from Middle-earth for ever, but he refused and kept it for his own.[T 13]
the creators/writers have openly claimed it will be faithful to that source material, implying that they will be the most important plot points. from those plot points they will expand creatively.
i say "expand creatively" bc "fan fiction" has a negative connotation that i dont feel is fair. saying fan fiction makes me think they said "hey lets take aragorn and legolas and throw them into some random adventure they went on, maybe before or after the lotr books, and then completely make everything up from there, never using any real plot points".
thats not what this show is doing. so calling it fan fiction feels like an unfair dig, imo
this is fair. the hobbit wasnt as god as the lotr trilogy. we'll have to wait and see about the actual quality/script/acting of the show. CGI doesnt bother me so bring it on, i say. but the make up and costumes they used on those orcs (which look fantastic) gives me hope they will still try to implement a lot of pratical effects.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm not convinced. Maybe the term fan fiction is harsh but I have little faith based on the general state of modern entertainment. I'm not a book nazi by any means. I love the X-Men films for example and they've always sucked compared to the comics. I really like The Hobbit Trilogy despite its obvious expansions and liberties with the source material. It could be good. I'd like it to be. I'm not getting my hopes up though.
Ulysses 31
Member
Calm down, bro.
Merely pointing out some facts shouldn't upset you this much.
The show could end up good on its own merits or not, time will tell.
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ManaByte
Member
Galadriel fought in the War of Wrath at the end of the First Age.
Kev Kev
Member
im not upset, just asking questions.
Fuz
Banned
Tolkien isn't.
Ulysses 31
Member
And I was just pointing out some facts, it's all good.
Kev Kev
Member
lol elves with swords is a hot take now?
while leaving out other important facts, sureAnd I was just pointing out some facts, it's all good.
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Ulysses 31
Member
What facts exactly? Tolkien himself didn't have much interest in writing about the 2nd age so anyone who have attempted to will be faced with a lot of scrutiny.
New Tolkien book: <em>The Fall of Númenor</em> to be published
HarperCollins have announced that a new Tolkien publication, The Fall of Númenor, will be published on 10th November 2022. Edited by well-known Tolkien expert Brian Sibley, the book collects together J.R.R. Tolkien's writings of the…
www.tolkiensociety.org
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Fuz
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
You're an expert I'm sure.
ManaByte
Member
Dude you have zero clue what you’re arguing about.
The show is set 3,000+ years before the movie and the shots of “warrior Galadriel” are even earlier at the end of the First Age when everyone, including the Elves Galadriel and Celeborn, fought in a massive war to banish Morgoth. The scene in the trailer with Galadriel looking up at the red fire is a flashback to that.
Fuz
Banned
Galadriel was the most powerful mage of the elves, she didn't need a sword.
But hey, maybe I misremember! Please quote where Tolkien wrote she fought with a sword.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
There is lots of material to cover the the second age. I think most of it is in the Silmarillion which they don't have rights too. It is also before the Rings of power, and at some point the creation and distribution of those rings. I assume they will somehow make it about Trump though.....
Kev Kev
Member
now THAT would be one hell of a fan fiction.
"i have all the rings, the best rings, the greatest rings... SAD Valar"
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Then Sauron rose and spoke, "Words, I have the best words." also "make Mordor great again"now THAT would be one hell of a fan fiction.
"i have all the rings, the best rings, the greatest rings... SAD Valar"
GymWolf
Member
Fucking how??
How do you give lotr to nobodies?
With bezos money he could hire ANY director.
ManaByte
Member
It’s in the Silmarillion. Galadriel was rebel leader at the end of the First Age and rejected the order to not get involved in the fight. The Valar sent all aid to Beleriand and that included Galadriel and Celeborn who fought like everyone else in the War of Wrath to banish Morgoth. It wasn’t until the beginning of the Second Age that Galadriel and Celeborn laid down their arms and departed over Ered Luin.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
It may work out. As long as they have some one that keeps them on task. People that are notable may think to much of themselves and interject to much. But if these writers are young they may just interpret Tolkien by todays sensibilities and not what he meant. It would be like reading CS Lewis, and deciding that he wasn't talking about Jesus.
Dances with Wolves, was that guys first screenplay I believe.
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Ulysses 31
Member
It would inspire more confidence if they didn't display the hubris they did, basically saying they're telling the story as Tolkien would have if he were still with us.
GymWolf
Member
You can keep anyone on task but if they have no talent the result is gonna be shit anyway.
Star trek beyond was a bit on the diarreha side.
ManaByte
Member
The show is being produced by the Tolkien Estate. People don’t want to acknowledge that for some reason though.
Kev Kev
Member
well said
i have admitted and will continue to concede that this may not go well. im keeping my expectations and hype in check. but everything ive seen gives me more hope than i could have predicted.
as most things go in life, itll probably be a mix of some good and some bad.
and as all things go on GAF (lol), some people insist to only see the bad while ignoring the good.
AJUMP23
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I know that, but Christopher is gone and I don't know if the family left cares as much as he did.
Ulysses 31
Member
I heard them described as vultures circling over Christopher waiting for him to die...
ManaByte
Member
This was explained earlier in the thread but people ignored it.
Christopher was responsible for every problem Jackson had with the Estate for nearly 20 years. He didn’t want the Estate to have anything to do with the movies and it’s due to him that the Estate and WB were locked in court battles until 2017 when Christopher stepped down from the Estate.
His son Simon wanted the Estate to be involved with the movies but Christopher forbade it and the two didn’t talk for years. When Christopher stepped down in 2017, Simon immediately ended the Estate’s war against WB and the two both wanted to make a series set in the Second Age. That’s when the bidding war began.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
That is a very cynical view. I heard that too. I think you have to understand the IP retains value due to its protection and not its proliferation. Wouldn't the work enter the public domain soon, or do they get to Disney their IP.I heard them described as vultures circling over Christopher waiting for him to die...
AJUMP23
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Rumor: The Lord Of The Rings Scholar Tom Shippey Fired For Telling Prime Video They Were "Polluting The Lore"
A new rumor claims that Tom Shippey, The Lord of the Rings scholar and former consultant on The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, was fired from the Prime Video show because he was warning them that they were "polluting the lore."
boundingintocomics.com
Has then been discussed......If you fire your Lore expert for saying you are not respecting the LORE.....you are doing it wrong.