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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, new teaser trailer
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
The problem is there are no big budget TV series/films based on African mythology or folklore.
Thankfully, this is changing. Michael B Jordan is still adapting Marlon James' fantastic Dark Star trilogy, which I believe has now moved over to Amazon. This is a fantasy series based on African mythology and folklore.
Pretty sure Netflix are still going ahead with City of Brass, which is a middle East inspired fantasy series.
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Griffon
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Yup, that'd be the right thing to do. Too bad they're fucking up other people's culture before realizing it.
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Not true. There are many books set in Egypt or using Egyptian Lore, try Anubis Gates by Tim Powers, the Book of the Black Earth series by Jon Sprunk. Not to mention the Otherland series by Tad Williams which is wonderfully diverse and has !Xabbu and Renie who inject lots of African Lore into the series.
Producers COULD adapt stuff not set in medieval europe/Britain is they wanted. If they were TRUELY interested in diversity of storytelling. If the AUDIENCE would show up, of course. But I think we all know it is far easier to tell yet another Robin Hood story this time with a female black Robin of Locksley circa 1250s England , damn the history of the character, than it would be to find or create a series with organically diverse casts and then sell it to audiences. Which is a shame because there are SO MANY great series waiting for an adaption yet Amazon sunk a BILLION DOLLARS into a few pages of a LOTR appendix and are not making an authentic adaption of it.
AJUMP23
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They should do a story on that African king that had so much gold he basically made gold worthless wherever he went.
Sure, and have him portrayed by this guy
And I'm sure no fan of Bridgerton or the Rings of Power casting would object....
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Sorry, I mean no fantasy TV/film series based on anything other than the standard European fantasy setting. At least not made by western companies anyway.
Loads of fantasy book series (I named two in my original post) set in non European settings that would be ripe for live action adaptions.
Ah, gotcha. I do see a fair number of foreign series (mostly what I would call "Urban Fantasy") on netflix and such, not to mention things like the "The Kingdom" (Korean historical zombie show) but the lack of english dubbing, or at least a quality dub, is always a limiter. I"m not adverse to subtitles but for a long show (versus a movie) it can be a limiting factor. Def don't see any African based ones. I think something about the Barbary pirates would be quite easy to sell personally, I'm shocked that hasn't been explored.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Because most people don't know where that is.
I remember going to see Spiderman 2 and the girl behind me asked her Boyfriend if this was based on a true story........Spiderman 2.....I knew we were doomed then.
I dunno, isn't the entire point of marketing to MAKE people aware?
A shot of Jefferson banging a gavel decrying piracy and proclaiming "NO MORE TRIBUTE!!!", an american merchant ship being whelmed by savages, a quick cut of some lusty busty pirate lass ('cause why not?), white sailors being led away in chains, cut to another lusty busty pirate lass looking longingly at the first LBPL, then marines in rowboats headed to a distant desert shore as the stanza "...to the shores of Tripoli" plays, a swarthy pirate king showering his harem with jewels, a cluster of young white nuns being taken towards the palace of said swarthy pirate king, then a sweeping overhead shot of the USS Philadelphia in flames as Marines take the harbor fort....fucking thing writes itself!!
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Adam’s doing a spit take when they tell him how much money they want to ensure safety.
sol_bad
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If the African folklore is set in fictitious lands, who cares if there are whiteys?
Unknown Soldier
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You've literally never heard of Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea Cycle?
ManaByte
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I imagine the outrage over the 2004 SciFI channel miniseries in 2022 would be something to see.
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Unknown Soldier
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Rumor: The Lord Of The Rings Scholar Tom Shippey Fired For Telling Prime Video They Were "Polluting The Lore"
A new rumor claims that Tom Shippey, The Lord of the Rings scholar and former consultant on The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, was fired from the Prime Video show because he was warning them that they were "polluting the lore."
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
See my other post. I mean there are no big production TV series/films based on African mythology.
sol_bad
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Who is George Molho?
DeepEnigma
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Rumor: The Lord Of The Rings Scholar Tom Shippey Fired For Telling Prime Video They Were "Polluting The Lore"
A new rumor claims that Tom Shippey, The Lord of the Rings scholar and former consultant on The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, was fired from the Prime Video show because he was warning them that they were "polluting the lore."
Kev Kev
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“Not only would Molho detail this rumor regarding Shippey’s firing, but he would also excoriate Prime Video for including nudity in the show as revealed in a number of behind-the-scenes photos from the production as well as a newly released photo from the show”
This is all hear say, and that article reads like a psychopath wrote it.
Still tho, if they have some proof of nudity, now would be the time to show it. I have no idea what this “newly released photo” is they are referring to.
The show creators have stated on the record there won’t be anything like that. These rumors keep circulating as more and more pathetic nerds are trying to takedown the show or discredit it. I honestly think most of them are just jumping on the hate train for the fun of it, while others just have an agenda against Amazon.
Weird behavior from some of these people. Completely ignoring quotes from show creators while pointing to some random YouTuber and saying “See, they are jacking off on Tolkien’s corpse!”
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Eh, I can see some on set photos having nudity, but the camera is shot from the back or it is hidden by furniture. The photos may not show the actress wearing pasties or whatever they do today.
But we already know the writers stance on the Lore, they have beard less dwarf women in the publicity shots! Whether these types of changes constitutes "shitting on the Lore" is subjective. Folks here will defend making Morgoth actually a benevolent ruler being undermined by evil gandalf as being OK, while others here will lambast the show to hell for all eternity for conflating 2 elves, each with 1 line delivering a message in one scene of a book, into a single elf.
But we already know the writers stance on the Lore, they have beard less dwarf women in the publicity shots! Whether these types of changes constitutes "shitting on the Lore" is subjective. Folks here will defend making Morgoth actually a benevolent ruler being undermined by evil gandalf as being OK, while others here will lambast the show to hell for all eternity for conflating 2 elves, each with 1 line delivering a message in one scene of a book, into a single elf.
sw0mp_d0nk3y
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I guarantee that 99% of the people outraged about racial and cannon purity in this show have never read, or cared about Tolkien's extensive and somewhat boring writings on these time periods. Hell probably 85% of them never even read the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, they just saw the movies. Most people are just learning some of this lore right now, so that they can argue on the internet.
The show looks good visually, and meshes well with Peter Jackson's movies. Whether or not it follows cannon doesn't matter so much as whether or not it has good writing and good characters. Since Tolkien's writings on these periods are historical and dry, they would have to make up almost everything whether they stuck to his exact history or not. The new Game of Thrones show is in much the same boat, although they have better people involved and GRRM to lean on.
I will be watching the show, and I hope it is good. It has to be better than Wheel of Time....
The show looks good visually, and meshes well with Peter Jackson's movies. Whether or not it follows cannon doesn't matter so much as whether or not it has good writing and good characters. Since Tolkien's writings on these periods are historical and dry, they would have to make up almost everything whether they stuck to his exact history or not. The new Game of Thrones show is in much the same boat, although they have better people involved and GRRM to lean on.
I will be watching the show, and I hope it is good. It has to be better than Wheel of Time....
Kssio_Aug
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Not true... people are very informed! Hence why they're throwing their favorite Tolkein's quotes all over the internet to prove their points!
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Kev Kev
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I’m just tired of the overly exaggerated takes.
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Hyperbole 4EVER BRO!
Billbofet
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I'm kinda glad I haven't read any of the source materials for any of LoTR lore. I haven't really stressed over what is and isn't included - Loved LoTR's movies, couldn't finish the Hobbit trilogy. Looking forward to this one.
This feels like the opposite of Marvel content where the fans of the comics seem to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to justify some pretty lame shows/movies because A relates to Q through Z if you consider E.....
This feels like the opposite of Marvel content where the fans of the comics seem to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to justify some pretty lame shows/movies because A relates to Q through Z if you consider E.....
Trazyn the Infinite
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Not true... people are very informed! Hence why they're throwing their favorite Tolkein's quotes all over the internet to prove their points!
Many other Tokien Fans I know use that “quote” as an indication of how little care Amazon has for this series. It is a very loose “paraphrasing” of two particular quotes from the Silmarillion and Return of the King, completing removing context from both of the original quotes to make something “new” in an effort to say, “Well, it *was* using his words… kind of!”
This is exactly how Amazon has been treating the lore and history of Middle-Earth. Taking loose connected threads, removing context, and completely altering or changing them with no care to where they originally came from or what they originally meant.
I think that new DnD movie trailer came out at the perfect time, because it illustrates something when it comes to established lore.
Lord of the Rings is fantasy, the mother of modern fantasy, but it is grounded and follows rules.
DnD badically throws most rules about world building out the window. Anything goes, and had done so for decades.
I'd bet the vast majority of people who have an issue with how lore and diversity is treated in Rings of Power has no issue with how it's treated in DnD.
It takes a few scholastic degrees just to form one's own opinions on the allusions to any depth in the letters between him and Lewis regarding the genesis and nature of their projects.
While it does appear the wheel was lost greasing the axle, another can be cubed. Something to look for in the new series.
PaddyOCanager
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It takes a few scholastic degrees just to form one's own opinions on the allusions to any depth in the letters between him and Lewis regarding the genesis and nature of their projects.
While it does appear the wheel was lost greasing the axle, another can be cubed. Something to look for in the new series.
This is fascinating. We don't get this kind of behind-the-scenes commentary on literary works often.
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Sounds about right. Truth, it would be impossible in this day and age to make Middle-earth based TV series/film that is faithful to Tolkien's vision.
It takes a few scholastic degrees just to form one's own opinions on the allusions to any depth in the letters between him and Lewis regarding the genesis and nature of their projects.
While it does appear the wheel was lost greasing the axle, another can be cubed. Something to look for in the new series.
Looool. Wonder how many people think this are genuine.
It's a desire.Oh trust me, there will be folks counting, TO THE SECOND, how long a character can stay in a gelantinous cube before death, how many times a dragon can use their breath weapon, and whether or not a druid can shapeshift while still retaining the "ride horse" skill
If that DnD film was an adaptation of Dragonlance or Crystal Shard then the purists (like myself) would be doing a frame by frame analysis, one hand mouse clicking delivering rage unto the internet and the other furiously beating meat 'cause GOTDAMN who thought we would see such high budgeted DnD things???
Buuuuuut it looks like a somewhat new idea just using the DnD Forgotten Realms (so folks tell me, I don't think it really matters) setting which is pretty loosey goosey with how things actually should be. Plus WOTC has been doing a lot of work (whether you agree with it or not) over the past 5+ years in diversifying "the look" of DnD to better fit what this film shows. So I can't really complain much about the trailer, particularly since they wisely cast mah bae Michelle, I can watch her in anything (and have, even that The Assignment film, WTF over? At least it had some skin).
LOTR is a special place since it is the product of a singular mind, or at least filtered through just a direct descendant. There are few adaptations, the major one being quite well received and setting a bar that is still challenging for most any fantasy project. LOTR sits highly on many LITERATURE lists, it isn't just "some fantasy epic". So I tend to get a little more possessive of it than I might of other things. I don't know if I would care as much if a new "Lion, witch, and the wardrobe" adaptation cast a multi-ethnic group of war orphans instead of the blood related Pevensie family, though there would be some eye rolling for sure and some folks would outright revolt, with reason.
Trazyn the Infinite
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Exactly. Tolkien was very, very clear when he was describing anything in Middle-Earth. His attention to detail was *immaculate* and created very common shared views of what these characters, worlds, locations, and concepts would look like.
D&D thrived on providing the player with some loose examples to build their own personal worlds out of.
But sadly folks will ignore all this just to claim fans are “deluded”.
DnD purists can take a hike, it's just silly. The rulebooks have clearly stated since forever that they are just guides and not meant to be followed ruthlessly. Same with the lore. It's all up for interpretation, and I guess there ate about as many versions of the forgotten realms as there are groups playing in that setting.Oh trust me, there will be folks counting, TO THE SECOND, how long a character can stay in a gelantinous cube before death, how many times a dragon can use their breath weapon, and whether or not a druid can shapeshift while still retaining the "ride horse" skill
If that DnD film was an adaptation of Dragonlance or Crystal Shard then the purists (like myself) would be doing a frame by frame analysis, one hand mouse clicking delivering rage unto the internet and the other furiously beating meat 'cause GOTDAMN who thought we would see such high budgeted DnD things???
Buuuuuut it looks like a somewhat new idea just using the DnD Forgotten Realms (so folks tell me, I don't think it really matters) setting which is pretty loosey goosey with how things actually should be. Plus WOTC has been doing a lot of work (whether you agree with it or not) over the past 5+ years in diversifying "the look" of DnD to better fit what this film shows. So I can't really complain much about the trailer, particularly since they wisely cast mah bae Michelle, I can watch her in anything (and have, even that The Assignment film, WTF over? At least it had some skin).
LOTR is a special place since it is the product of a singular mind, or at least filtered through just a direct descendant. There are few adaptations, the major one being quite well received and setting a bar that is still challenging for most any fantasy project. LOTR sits highly on many LITERATURE lists, it isn't just "some fantasy epic". So I tend to get a little more possessive of it than I might of other things. I don't know if I would care as much if a new "Lion, witch, and the wardrobe" adaptation cast a multi-ethnic group of war orphans instead of the blood related Pevensie family, though there would be some eye rolling for sure and some folks would outright revolt, with reason.
Do anything goes, really. But of course, you wanna see things the way they look in the books and stuff. Kinda wondered just how fat that red dragon is, lol.
But it's interesting. I'm very protective when it comes to lotr. My stance on that is do noy fuck with it, interpret it, buy stick to the lore as close as you can, and make it believable.
With DnD, something I've spent many times the amount of time with as I have Tolkiens works, I couldn't care less. Just make it fun and exciting, and the rest is up to the creator's vision.
PaddyOCanager
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Anyone post this yet?
PaddyOCanager
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Yeah I had the same reaction to that line........"You have been told many lies of Middle-Earth."
SirKicksalot
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This is fucking hilarious. It's like they went back to the rejected ROTK design and removed everything that was good.
PaddyOCanager
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Happy to see Draco Malfoy still finding work in these trying times.
This is fucking hilarious. It's like they went back to the rejected ROTK design and removed everything that was good.
Kev Kev
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damn this just keeps looking better and better. elves, dwarves, orcs, balrogs, magic, powerful rings, etc. and all of it int he second age. this is like a dream project come true and its a month away
im about as happy as this dog right now.
im really curious about the narrative they are going to weave into this.
NecrosaroIII
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Apparently the SDCC panel revealed Morgoth.
PaddyOCanager
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I'll say, the previous trailer plus this one took me from wait and see to I'll be watching Day 1. The early trailers looked cheap and awkward imo, but these look really good. Sure the story is still a question mark but it should at least be pretty to look at.damn this just keeps looking better and better. elves, dwarves, orcs, balrogs, magic, powerful rings, etc. and all of it int he second age. this is like a dream project come true and its a month away
im about as happy as this dog right now.
im really curious about the narrative they are going to weave into this.
BaneIsPain
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Not my sauron
I don’t ever recalled Miriel and Galadriel crossed path.
I don’t ever recalled Miriel and Galadriel crossed path.
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Tams
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There are at least two black African civilizations that stories could be based around: Mali (especially under Mansa Musa) and Ethiopia.
And then there's the far less advanced, but still impressive ones like the Zulu. The best, one of the only, and really quite respectful media of which is the British film 'Zulu'...
And if people weren't scared of doing Islamic empires, quite a few more.
Zanzibar and Timbuktu are ripe for story telling. But are almost never used.
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Kev Kev
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i say bring it on. i love that any of this is happening. if they give us a glimpse of morgoth and the rest of the valar, thats just icing on the cake for me
BaneIsPain
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Haudh-en-Ndengin.
Bragr
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Wait, who is that emo Eminem bleached eyebrows motherfucker supposed to be?
This is fucking hilarious. It's like they went back to the rejected ROTK design and removed everything that was good.