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[Iceman]

Seeing the credits wreckage footage made me think about how the losties are just another group of people who've had a massive adventure on the island and have left their mark. Like the statue and Dharmaville, I like to think that in the future some people will view 815 as a big mystery and maybe at the end of their adventure they'll learn the tale of Hurley, the protector of the island and everything that comes with it.

Crap, man. I'm getting all teary eyed again... imagining Hurley, trying to keep his composure as he recounts the story, feeling each loss wash over him, one by one..

Or maybe he'd be cryptic like Jacob, keeping it all bottled up inside.

Do you see what I did there?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Did anyone else get the feeling that the original idea for The Hatch was what the cave ended up being? When the show directly stated the parallels between the cave and The Hatch, I started thinking that they might have originally planned on The Hatch being something similar to the cave, but they had introduced it too early and decided it was more of an end-game type of thing. This may be complete bullshit, but the more I think of it, the more the cave seems to be a very primitive version of The Hatch.

Yeah, I think that, at least, those parallels were very heavily drawn last night.

 

[Dead]

Uh how can that be? Wasn't Jack supposed to die in the pilot?

Im pretty sure they rewrote Jack dying before the Pilot was shot...

 

[infinityBCRT]

There is so much gloom to the end of lost which I still cant shake. I've watched every episode since day one and I admit being mostly lost since day one but the show ending and the way it ended as that air of gloom/butterflies in the stomach like when one of your favorite actors or singers die unexpectedly.

Doom and Gloom? I thought the end of the normal timeline was bittersweet. But the end of purgatory was a feeling of joy and perhaps even an affirmation of their faith.

 

[G-Fex]

It's obvious

MIB wanted to be a super hero off island.


Course come to think of it he wouldn't have his powers had the island sunk. So I guess go on banging Locke's ex-fiance.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Uh how can that be? Wasn't Jack supposed to die in the pilot?

They didn't shoot the pilot planning on killing Jack, then change their mind through filming. Obviously they changed their mind before they finished writing the episode, so does that really matter?

 

[KevinCow]

Do you think Hurley ever left the island to visit the other survivors? I like to think he did. But it's sad to think that he probably went to all their funerals eventually.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Do you think Hurley ever left the island to visit the other survivors? I like to think he did. But it's sad to think that he probably went to all their funerals eventually.

I bet he freed Michael.

*sniff*

 

[neoism]

Bender shot the fuck out of this episode. Give him every award imaginable.

yes it's like all the actors, and director, and MG, brought their AAAA game, the best they've all done.

 

[ErasureAcer]

I just rewatched the entire finale and I cried moreso than I did before(which was a lot)...the ending really hit me harder this time too.

 

[infinityBCRT]

Uh how can that be? Wasn't Jack supposed to die in the pilot?

Others mentioned they obviously rewrote the pilot before it aired. But its also possible they intended to kill Jack in the first episode as he was only a Shepherd for the Losties, and then have the final season or episode be about him still. Perhaps he could have filled the role of Desmond in Sideways.

 

[PSGames]

not sure if this was posted before (this is a long thread), but this is interesting, if it's true

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html

apparently, they never changed the ending.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

Fucking wow.

 

[cnizzle06]

I personally believe that they originally wanted the island to be purgatory, but aware of the possible backlash from the audience after denying it for so long, they made the 'they're all dead' reveal into more of a side story.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

:lol

Klosterman's brief thoughts on The Wire S5 are absolutely golden.

 

[gdt]

There is so much gloom to the end of lost which I still cant shake. I've watched every episode since day one and I admit being mostly lost since day one but the show ending and the way it ended as that air of gloom/butterflies in the stomach like when one of your favorite actors or singers die unexpectedly.

Really?

I thought the ending was incredibly uplifting. Jack died, but he didn't die alone. In all meanings of that statement.

 

[Dead]

Fucking wow.

Problem with that is Desmond, Penny and Juliette in the church.

I have no trouble believing that they always intended to end the show on Jack (and Fox says he'd known that'd be the ending for a while now), reversing his Pilot intro. Beyond that, I'm not so sure.

 

[Solo]

Do you think Hurley ever left the island to visit the other survivors? I like to think he did. But it's sad to think that he probably went to all their funerals eventually.

But Hurley also died eventually too, so its not that sad. Especially since they all got together in the end.

 

[jett]

Fucking wow.

...but they put desmond and penny in the church. whatevz.

 

[G-Fex]

that's so awesome

then they made a ton of shit up in the middle.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I can believe they had the ending planned from day 1. I doubt they planned every single character who would or wouldn't be in the room though. Who would care either way?

 

[gdt]

Fucking wow.

Yeah, I wouldn't take this too seriously.

 

[Fisticuffs]

Ben didn't go into the church because he wasn't ready. Afterall, his "daughter" was still in that universe.

 

[gdt]

I can believe they had the ending planned from day 1. I doubt they planned every single character who would or wouldn't be in the room though. Who would care either way?

Yeah, it opening and closing with Jack I can believe. Maybe not so much the Church and what characters were and weren't in there, though.

 

[neoism]

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

 

[gdt]

Guys...what if we are in LA X?






Solo!!!!!!!!! We must meeeeeeeet!

 

[Jak140]

They didn't shoot the pilot planning on killing Jack, then change their mind through filming. Obviously they changed their mind before they finished writing the episode, so does that really matter?

No not really, it's just that the sideways/purgatory thing feels like it's tacked on to me since it doesn't even come into play until the final season.

If that forum post is true, my guess is that the flashbacks from the very beginning were supposed to be purgatory and that got changed midway through the series. It's kind of too bad, because I feel like that would have made for a much more consistent whole.

 

[Discotheque]

Is it really that amazing that they had this ending planned out?

It really was more of a characters conclusion anyways. It's not that hard to think "I want to end the show with everybody seeing each other in heaven".

It doesn't have any bearing on any events in the middle at all.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Maybe not so much the Church and what characters were and weren't in there, though.

I like the fact that Ben said to Locke that "most of them" were in there...as it leaves it open for interpretation to who else would show up to "move on" with that group of people. I was expecting everyone who ever appeared in the show to be in the church...sorta like Seinfeld's ending. :lol

 

[StuBurns]

No way did they have the cast listing for the final scene from the start, people are crazy. I believe the ending was planned, but to that degree, I really don't think so.

 

[Minamu]

Let me get this straight, it's 3:30AM and I don't really understand all that happened. So whenever someone died, whether it was from old age or from a gun shot in the jungle, their minds sort of travelled to another dimension/purgatory with their memories locked away so they thought they never died in a plane crash? And thanks to Desmond, they got to cross over to Nirvana or something? That about right? That sounds kinda weird, even for Lost standards Doesn't that sort of mean that zombie Sun was pregnant & zombie Claire actually gave birth to a child?

Edit: If the island was the biggest & most important part of the Losties lives, then I guess the island wasn't that big of a deal to Richard eh? :S Them looking exactly like they did on the island is also kinda strange that way. Would've been really weird if they had gotten new actors for the last scenes though :lol

 

[ErasureAcer]

Guys...what if we are in LA X?

That's the beauty of it all right there. We very well could be in some timeless state just waiting to be woken up for the light.

 

[jett]

Yeah, I wouldn't take this too seriously.

I think that alleged bad robot guy is quite literally making up shit on the fly.

 

[JesseZao]

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

That rules so much!

Spoiler

"I Want To Believe"

LOST is one for the ages!

 

[Korey]

Fucking wow.

That rules so much! LOST is one for the ages!

It's a nice thought, but no.

Someone in the comments is probably right: the writers meant the scene with Jack's eyes closing, not the church.

 

[big ander]

Let me get this straight, it's 3:30AM and I don't really understand all that happened. So whenever someone died, whether it was from old age or from a gun shot in the jungle, their minds sort of travelled to another dimension/purgatory with their memories locked away so they thought they never died in a plane crash? And thanks to Desmond, they got to cross over to Nirvana or something? That about right? That sounds kinda weird, even for Lost standards Doesn't that sort of mean that zombie Sun was pregnant & zombie Claire actually gave birth to a child?

Thanks to Desmond, they were able to let go and accept their lives for what they were.

 

[Solo]

Guys...what if we are in LA X?






Solo!!!!!!!!! We must meeeeeeeet!

When we meet I will flash to S5 thread where I was taking it from all sides for hating on Ben's amnesia.

 

[cnizzle06]

When we meet I will flash to S5 thread where I was taking it from all sides for hating on Ben's amnesia.

You do understand, that if I take you there, you'll never be the same again.

 

[WillyFive]

Saw it again.

Still perfect.

 

[Raist]

I think it was the latter. Even though Jacob was dead, his successor hadn't been chosen yet, so all of Jacob's rules remained in place. Once Jack is elected, the slate gets wiped clean.

Well if that's the case (and apparently it is since Richard starts ageing) then MIB could have killed Jacob a looooong time ago and didn't need a loophole, since the rule wasn't valid anymore.

Almost finished watching the finale, my browser decided to crash like 5min till the end, but overall I'm very disappointed about the ending.
While everything wraps up OK for the characters (well except for Kate. "I LUVZ YOU JACK" Really?) it was kind of an "easy" choice a bit too cheesy, and there's way too many unanswered questions and inconsistencies.
Oh well. It's all about the journey, I guess.

 

[TheLastFantasy]

So did we ever get an explanation on why Richard said to Sun in Season 5: "I watched them all die" in reference to Jack and everyone else?

Is it because of the nuclear blast or the "incident" so he thought that they died? Even if it was, he saw them again after they crashed on the island in oceanic 815.

Can someone please help me out here?

 

[StuBurns]

Saw it again.

Still perfect.

I've watched it again, I enjoyed it even more the second time. It's awesome.

 

[cnizzle06]

So did we ever get an explanation on why Richard said to Sun in Season 5: "I watched them all die" in reference to Jack and everyone else?

Is it because of the nuclear blast or the "incident" so he thought that they died? Even if it was, he saw them again after they crashed on the island in oceanic 815.

Can someone please help me out here?

Don't you dare question the consistency of this show!

 

[Nameless]

oops

 

[Solo]

I've watched it again, I enjoyed it even more the second time. It's awesome.

Yessir. Best closing chapter of a TV show Ive ever seen.

 

[neoism]

When we meet I will flash to S5 thread where I was taking it from all sides for hating on Ben's amnesia.

Lol you were such a hater in the season 5 threads.. :lol :lol But overall you, gdt and nameless are my favorite Lost GAF poster's.

 

[Dead]

So did we ever get an explanation on why Richard said to Sun in Season 5: "I watched them all die" in reference to Jack and everyone else?

Is it because of the nuclear blast or the "incident" so he thought that they died? Even if it was, he saw them again after they crashed on the island in oceanic 815.

Can someone please help me out here?

Yes.

There was a scene written for the Season 5 finale where Richard witnesses the Incident taking place and assumed they are killed.

 

[silentspork]

Just watched it again, that ending scene with vincent got me again... ;_;

 

[cnizzle06]

Yes.

There was a scene written for the Season 5 finale where Richard witnesses the Incident taking place and assumed they are killed.

...that doesn't answer a thing. He still saw them again prior to saying that to Sun.

 

[TheLastFantasy]

Don't you dare question the consistency of this show!

lol. I'm actually wondering. I'm not the type that tries to dig up flaws of Lost.

 

[infinityBCRT]

So did we ever get an explanation on why Richard said to Sun in Season 5: "I watched them all die" in reference to Jack and everyone else?

Is it because of the nuclear blast or the "incident" so he thought that they died? Even if it was, he saw them again after they crashed on the island in oceanic 815.

Can someone please help me out here?

Jack and everyone else that visited Richard in the 70's were future versions of the people who crashed on 815. If they died 2004, they wouldn't have existed in Dharma in the 70s. If they died in Dharma in the 70s, they still could have crashed on 815 in 2004 and survived, then time travelled and died in the past.