LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Solo said:
Yessir. Best closing chapter of a TV show Ive ever seen.
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For me, probably second only to perhaps Twin Peaks. But utterly incredible regardless. Second time I got to watch it with a friend who was seeing it for the first time, it was pretty cool to see him go through basically the same thing I did. He was also blown away.
 
cnizzle06 said:
...that doesn't answer a thing. He still saw them again prior to saying that to Sun.
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It's very possible he thought their time-traveling could be prevented, so he didn't say anything until it happened.
 
TheLastFantasy said:
So did we ever get an explanation on why Richard said to Sun in Season 5: "I watched them all die" in reference to Jack and everyone else?

Is it because of the nuclear blast or the "incident" so he thought that they died? Even if it was, he saw them again after they crashed on the island in oceanic 815.

Can someone please help me out here?
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He's clearly aware of the screwy timeline and could tell Sun was asking about Jin post-Donkey Wheel. He saw the Jughead explosion and assumed everybody at the site died, only to be proven wrong a few days after Jacob croaked.
 
CartridgeBlower said:
I like how in the end with the flash-sideways realm, they really didn't 'live together, die alone,' but 'live together AND die together.' Very nice touch.
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More like live together, die alone, live forever together.
 
they should have a bonus feature in the boxset where lindelcuse and all the other writers finally tells us what plot points were planned from the start and the ones they came up with later. that would give the people who hated the finale some closure, at the very least.
 
omg rite said:
The amnesia thing was really lame. Only thing about season 5 that sucked.
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The thing with that was I had faith it would be addressed within the show, because it didn't really make sense that Richard wouldn't tell Ben at all that this happened. I really thought that even though they used amnesia, it wasn't actually going to mean anything because Ben actually knew. The question Hurley posed was why didn't Ben remember being shot by Sayid. There was no reason to think he didn't remember it. Having him know they were in the DI wouldn't have affected anything. The fix actually creates the problem.
 
Raist said:
Well if that's the case (and apparently it is since Richard starts ageing) then MIB could have killed Jacob a looooong time ago and didn't need a loophole, since the rule wasn't valid anymore.
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I don't think Richard's immortality was directly connected to the rules. Jacob simply transferred some of his power over to him, and once Jacob died, the "effect" wore off so to speak.
 
StuBurns said:
The thing with that was I had faith it would be addressed within the show, because it didn't really make sense that Richard wouldn't tell Ben at all that this happened. I really thought that even though they used amnesia, it wasn't actually going to mean anything because Ben actually knew. The question Hurley posed was why didn't Ben remember being shot by Sayid. There was no reason to think he didn't remember it. Having him know they were in the DI wouldn't have affected anything. The fix actually creates the problem.
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Ben being shot was the perfect opportunity to prove they had the storyline planned out since at least season 3 without explaining how he got it. Perhaps showing us a bullet wound on adult Ben way back in season 3. Imagine then seeing Sayid shoot him in season 5, as a kid. Everyone, I bet even Solo, would have been like, "Son of a bitch! They planned this shit out!"
 
big ander said:
It's very possible he thought their time-traveling could be prevented, so he didn't say anything until it happened.
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"I don't understand". He saw the bomb explode, then saw that they were alive years later, has no reaction to this puzzling turn of events, decides to tell Sun they all died for shits and giggle.
 
Kate was the original protagonist in the version where Jack is killed by the monster with the pilot.

Lucky neoism wasn't the showrunner, I think we'd have been stuck with that.
 
I haft to admit, i definitely believe they planned out that ending from day-one, having re-watched season 1, the ending resonates with the themes of that season so well.

However, the finale just proved most of the twists in season 2-5 were shit made up on the fly! :lol
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
I cant believe Juliet's "It Worked" was really about the candy machine. SO fucking perfect. It single handily made me believe the bomb made the alt.
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Or how about her telling Sawyer, "unplug it and plug it back in, technically that's still legal". And that's exactly what Desmond and Jack did.
 
Rabid Wolverine said:
Michael Keaton as Jack would have been interesting.
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Keaton's awesome, Titus Welliver reminds me of him sort of.

I like knowing that Richard lived out his mortal life happy.

But probably still went to hell.
 
StuBurns said:
Kate was the original protagonist in the version where Jack is killed by the monster with the pilot.

Lucky neoism wasn't the showrunner, I think we'd have been stuck with that.
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:lol :lol :lol Noo, I love Kate but Jack, and Locke are my favorite character's in the show... Kate is 2nd.:D :P
 
cnizzle06 said:
"I don't understand". He saw the bomb explode, then saw that they were alive years later, has no reaction to this puzzling turn of events, decides to tell Sun they all died for shits and giggle.
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Well perhaps he knew that they couldn't die because they were candidates? (I guess Juliet wasn't one because she came to the island outside of Jacob's influence?) I mean Richard couldn't die for every episode except one :)
 
Vanille said:
I don't think Richard's immortality was directly connected to the rules. Jacob simply transferred some of his power over to him, and once Jacob died, the "effect" wore off so to speak.
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Doesn't matter whether you call it a rule or not. If Jacob made it so that Richard was immortal and that was revoked when he died, then MIB could have killed Jacob after their mother died since she was the one to make it so.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Watched again. Cried more.

And I obviously LOVE Twin Peaks' ending, but Lost blows it away.
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I might actually agree, I'm not sure, for me it's one or the other. I need to rewatch Twin Peaks to be sure though.
 
So after that ending, anyone else ready to join the "Christian that Jack saw in the hospital was really ghost Christian" train?
 
StuBurns said:
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I might actually agree, I'm not sure, for me it's one or the other. I need to rewatch Twin Peaks to be sure though.
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Twin Peaks' ending is remarkable. Lost's is emotional. Emotion wins.

Although obviously what happened to Coop was so depressing, but it's obviously very different.
 
Nameless said:
Also Terrence Howard auditioned for the role of Michael. :lol :lol With his ego he would've surely quit the show.
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Howard would have been the Michael Giacchino of the cast - the person that LOST lucks into getting before they completely blow up.
 
Dead said:
So after that ending, anyone else ready to join the "Christian that Jack saw in the hospital was really ghost Christian" train?
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During that time in the series it seemed as though the Island had powers beyond the Island itself. Michael couldn't kill himself. Kate got a strange phone call, Jack saw Christian.
 
Afrodium said:
Did anyone else get the feeling that the original idea for The Hatch was what the cave ended up being? When the show directly stated the parallels between the cave and The Hatch, I started thinking that they might have originally planned on The Hatch being something similar to the cave, but they had introduced it too early and decided it was more of an end-game type of thing. This may be complete bullshit, but the more I think of it, the more the cave seems to be a very primitive version of The Hatch.
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Very solid theory IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a little bit ahead of themselves.
 
StuBurns said:
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I might actually agree, I'm not sure, for me it's one or the other. I need to rewatch Twin Peaks to be sure though.
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I've been meaning to watch Twin Peaks (and playing Deadly Premonition and Alan Wake are pushing it to the top of my queue). What is the correct order to view it in? I remember hearing the original pilot is on a second season disc or something and you should watch that first. When should I watch the movie?
 
TheGreatDave said:
Twin Peaks' ending is remarkable. Lost's is emotional. Emotion wins.
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I agree with the first two statements. The third, I'll have to live with for a while, see what has a larger impact beyond the initial blast. I finished watching The End 18 hours ago, I don't think I know my own impressions till it all sinks in a little longer.

JesseZao said:
I've been meaning to watch Twin Peaks (and playing Deadly Premonition and Alan Wake are pushing it to the top of my queue). What is the correct order to view it in? I remember hearing the original pilot is on a second season disc or something and you should watch that first. When should I watch the movie?
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Not sure what you mean about the 'original pilot', there are two version, the US and the international, watch either, it's not a big deal. Watch the film after the show, it's prequel but is meant to be seen after I'd say.
 
JesseZao said:
I've been meaning to watch Twin Peaks (and playing Deadly Premonition and Alan Wake are pushing it to the top of my queue). What is the correct order to view it in? I remember hearing the original pilot is on a second season disc or something and you should watch that first. When should I watch the movie?
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Just don't watch the international pilot first.
 
It wasn't my favorite finale but I found some moments sad. Mostly the Ben/Locke scene and the one between Jack and his Dad.

I think the latter was close to par with the BSG:
Adama/Roslin farewell

I was disappointed at how minor Locke's 'awakening' was though. It should have been given more time. Since arguably the show WAS between Jack and Locke. (Fire Walk With Me was alright, but definitely Lynch's weakest film).
 
JesseZao said:
I've been meaning to watch Twin Peaks (and playing Deadly Premonition and Alan Wake are pushing it to the top of my queue). What is the correct order to view it in? I remember hearing the original pilot is on a second season disc or something and you should watch that first. When should I watch the movie?
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Buy the Gold Box DVD set. Start with disc 1.
 
Solo said:
Howard would have been the Michael Giacchino of the cast - the person that LOST lucks into getting before they completely blow up.
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I can't imagine LOST without Giacchino. How that motherfucker manages to capture moments & characters through music is a little scary.

He certainly did some of his best work last night.
 
Why wouldnt have James gone to hell? After killing the person he believed was Sawyer in Australia.

Or did the island clean him of his sins of all the good he has done.
 
Nameless said:
I can't imagine LOST without Giacchino. How that motherfucker manages to capture moments & characters through music is a little scary.

He certainly did some of his best work last night.
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I'm pretty sure every time I cried it was because of that damn No Place Like Home cue.


Rabid Wolverine said:
Why wouldnt have James gone to hell? After killing the person he believed was Sawyer in Australia.

Or did the island clean him of his sins of all the good he has done.
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Maybe there is no heaven and hell.
 
Discotheque said:
I was disappointed at how minor Locke's 'awakening' was though. It should have been given more time. Since arguably the show WAS between Jack and Locke. (Fire Walk With Me was alright, but definitely Lynch's weakest film).
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Yep, thats one minor issue I have too. Everyone else got nice long flashes, and then they do Locke like that?
 
Rabid Wolverine said:
Why wouldnt have James gone to hell? After killing the person he believed was Sawyer in Australia.

Or did the island clean him of his sins of all the good he has done.
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If Sawyer can go to Heaven but Richard can't that's some serious bullshit.

I was rooting for the B-team (Alpert, Miles and Lapidus) the entire finale. I was hoping they would somehow save the day lol.
 
Solo said:
Yep, thats one minor issue I have too. Everyone else got nice long flashes, and then they do Locke like that?
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I agree to an extent. The scenes they chose were kinda strange too. I think O'Quinn is able to totally sell the experience though in the exchange with Jack.
 
Also Terrence Howard auditioned for the role of Michael. With his ego he would've surely quit the show.
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If IMDB is correct, Forrest Whitaker was considered for the role of Sawyer.

Can you imagine?
 
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