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[Discotheque]

He's older than Terry and 2 years younger than John Terry(Christian).

No way he could have sold Jack.

Does the age between him and Locke really matter? And they would have cast a different father.

 

[scotcheggz]

So guys, who has questions regarding any of the really cool mystical backdrop we've been stringing you through for the past 6 years?

Oh you do? I have an answer to them all, forget it about it! :lol

I did enjoy the way they concluded Ben, since I thought he would get killed off in the finale but otherwise, I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed. All mush and no substance, but then I was never really into lost for the characters, a bit, but I was more mystery > characters, so I can hardly blame that on the show.

 

[Father_Brain]

"Lost created a Gordian knot of ethical, moral, and philosophical questions and then cut through it with gooey sentimentality and maudlin faux-spirituality. There could have been no more disappointing ending."

http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...ST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

I don't care as much about the unresolved mythology questions as I do about the sheer lameness and shoddy storytelling of the alt-timeline-purgatory reveal, but Devin's criticisms of the latter are completely on the nose. Great read.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

The Island was real.

Peace!

... duh

That's adorable. Dumb troll who doesn't know how to spell 'purgatory' correctly doesn't even understand the end of the series.

Sit in the corner, little boy. You're embarrassing yourself.

:lol :lol :lol Speling arrors are serious business bro.

 

[ZeoVGM]

No it wasn't.

But they do stop the Incident (long enough for Dharma to finish the Swan, anyway).

What? No, they caused the incident by dropping the bomb dude.

 

[Blader]

I really can't understand the people who thought the island wasn't real. How many times were we told in the finale that everything that happened mattered, that it was all real, etc?

What Happened Happend. Jughead going off was part of the Incident.

I know that, but what I mean is that the Incident was already happening before Jack threw the bomb down. They didn't cause the Incident, Dharma's drilling did.

You're right that the bomb going off always happened (and Darlton did throw in that Chernobyl reference at the beginning of s2), but that's not what caused the Incident.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Does the age between him and Locke really matter? And they would have cast a different father.

Someone younger than Locke that meshes well with a younger wife,Kate, Juliet is perfect.

And Christian was perfect.

 

[CartridgeBlower]

"Lost created a Gordian knot of ethical, moral, and philosophical questions and then cut through it with gooey sentimentality and maudlin faux-spirituality. There could have been no more disappointing ending."

http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...ST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

I'm surprised more people haven't brought up the gnostic angle before, especially after AtC.

This was a very interesting read, even if you disagree with his overall stance that the show was a failure in the end.

Really makes me wish Lindeloff and Cuse would respond to something like this, since there are so many allusions to gnosticism in the final season.

The one thing, though, that points against gnosticism is that none of the characters ever really got the 'knowledge' of the island. In fact, they almost stopped caring about it completely towards the end, which is against gnostic beliefs entirely.

 

[StuBurns]

What Happened Happend. Jughead going off was part of the Incident.

It was not the incident though. The incident happens when you don't push the button, and that is not detonating a nuclear bomb.

Strange thing actually, I still don't believe whatever happened, happened.

 

[cory]

What I don't understand is;

- Nothing was ever really explained about the island itself. Where was it's power coming from and who created it (that plug was obviously made by someone).

I don't think we're supposed to know. None of the main characters really cared about the nature of the island like the fans do, so why would we know something that Mother probably didn't even know.

 

[ZeoVGM]

The final season will take place along an alternate timeline where all the characters are stuck on an island where a bunch of weird shit keeps happening. Eventually they realize the island was not real and was merely an illusion set up in their former lives so that they could all reunite in weird unfamiliar manner.

Your stupidity is shining through right now since you incorrectly understood the ending yet are trying to shit on it like a troll. The island wasn't an illusion.

Also, you might want to be careful. Pretty sure duckroll looks through the thread for dumb posts like yours.

 

[Korey]

"Lost created a Gordian knot of ethical, moral, and philosophical questions and then cut through it with gooey sentimentality and maudlin faux-spirituality. There could have been no more disappointing ending."

http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...ST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

Thank you!

 

[Dead]

So, is there anyone who doesn't think this light is the same as the light from the heart of the Island?

 

[ZeoVGM]

It was not the incident though. The incident happens when you don't push the button, and that is not detonating a nuclear bomb.

Where are you getting this? Why would the episode last season be called "The Incident" and showing Jack drop the bomb and cause an event if not pushing the button, which didn't even exist in that episode, was the incident?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident_(event)

The h-bomb was the incident, guys.

However, doubt has been cast on an electromagnetic anomaly being the cause of The Incident. It was briefly suggested by Miles that the survivors' plan to detonate the core of a hydrogen bomb (itself a fission bomb) at The Swan construction site might actually be the cause of The Incident, not the anomaly. Daniel Faraday suggested that detonating a nuclear device might prevent the electromagnetic anomaly, beginning a chain of events which ultimately results in Oceanic Flight 815 not crashing on The Island. His theory contradicted his earlier theory that events of the past cannot be altered. During Season Six, the predictions of Miles and Faraday each appeared to be correct in different realities.

Miles was right.

 

[Mindlog]

can people explain the ending?

You had it mostly right.

- Yes

- Jacob Yes

- Yes

- Yes

- Mostly

- Magic

- A Wizard did it.

- Jacob's way was to keep people from leaving. MIB was a Wizard and couldn't leave unless certain conditions were met.

- Wizards are released.

It's basically all Wizardry and Hallmark cards.

 

[dorkimoe]

anyone know why vozzek hasnt written a "things i noticed" or was he not going to for the finale

 

[Discotheque]

So, is there anyone who doesn't think this light is the same as the light from the heart of the Island?

Some dude already beat you to it earlier in this thread. It makes a lot of sense really.

 

[Oyashiro]

Just finished it. Ugh, I'm so disappointed. I was SO sure they wouldn't just take the easy way out. But they did. They sure did. But I guess it was kind of expected... we were getting closer and closer to the end, questions weren't being answered, and it was already a convoluted mess... there was really no way out of it.

Anyway, extremely disappointed, but it was a very, very entertaining show, and I will surely miss it.

 

[Nameless]

It was not the incident though. The incident happens when you don't push the button, and that is not detonating a nuclear bomb.

Strange thing actually, I still don't believe whatever happened, happened.

Electromagnetism throwing shit around happened at the swan site. The Incident is everything we saw. Radsinsky's drill hitting the pocket, those Dharma members dying, Jughead detonating and those left at the swan sight being "incinerated". Though in reality they flashed back to their present.

The bomb is what contained leak but didn't destroy it.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Just finished it. Ugh, I'm so disappointed. I was SO sure they wouldn't just take the easy way out. But they did. They sure did. But I guess it was kind of expected... we were getting closer and closer to the end, questions weren't being answered, and it was already a convoluted mess... there was really no way out of it.

Anyway, extremely disappointed, but it was a very, very entertaining show, and I will surely miss it.

It's a character drama.

 

[Dead]

Some dude already beat you to it earlier in this thread. It makes a lot of sense really.

I know, I read it, but I havent seen much response to it

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

Your stupidity is shining through right now since you incorrectly understood the ending yet are trying to shit on it like a troll. The island wasn't an illusion.

Also, you might want to be careful. Pretty sure duckroll looks through the thread for dumb posts like yours.

Er, yes, I'm quite aware the island wasn't an illusion. Let me break my joke down for you:

On Lost the show consists of weird events taking place on a secluded island whose mysteries are never answered yet supposedly real. Meanwhile in a boring mundane world, the characters interact with each other normally only to find out it was all an illusion (of sorts).

In my joke, the show (Community) consists of boring, mundane events which are almost certainly real. However, in the finale, an alternate timeline would appear wherein a bunch of weird shit happens for supposedly no reason. The irony is that in this show the island would be fake, and the mundane world would be real. Get it?

 

[dorkimoe]

Just finished it. Ugh, I'm so disappointed. I was SO sure they wouldn't just take the easy way out. But they did. They sure did. But I guess it was kind of expected... we were getting closer and closer to the end, questions weren't being answered, and it was already a convoluted mess... there was really no way out of it.

Anyway, extremely disappointed, but it was a very, very entertaining show, and I will surely miss it.

what was easy about jack saving the island and dying?

 

[StuBurns]

Where are you getting this? Why would the episode last season be called "The Incident" and showing Jack drop the bomb and cause an event if not pushing the button, which didn't even exist in that episode, was the incident?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident_(event)

The h-bomb was the incident, guys.

You can't prove it though can you?

The Swan station tape says you can cause another incident. If the incident is blowing up a bomb how was that going to happen again exactly?

I don't think everything fits together so that what happens after that explosion lead into the show perfectly. I can't remember the exact details that I don't think fit, but there are some. Such as the Pearl station training video showing the Swan being used before the incident.

 

[Blader]

Where are you getting this? Why would the episode last season be called "The Incident" and showing Jack drop the bomb and cause an event if not pushing the button, which didn't even exist in that episode, was the incident?

The whole point of pushing the button is to prevent another incident from happening. The same phenomenon we see/hear when the button isn't pushed is the same thing we see i S5 as a consequence of Dharma's drilling.

The fact that Miles suggests that the Losties are the cause of the Incident is Darlton basically telling you, "the Losties do not cause the Incident." The same way Anthony Cooper says the island is hell is the writers telling the audience that the island is not hell.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Er, yes, I'm quite aware the island wasn't an illusion. Let me break my joke down for you:

On Lost the show consists of weird events taking place on a secluded island whose mysteries are never answered yet supposedly real. Meanwhile in a boring mundane world, the characters interact with each other normally only to find out it was all an illusion (of sorts).

In my joke, the show (Community) consists of boring, mundane events which are almost certainly real. However, in the finale, an alternate timeline would appear wherein a bunch of weird shit happens for supposedly no reason. The irony is that in this show the island would be fake, and the mundane show would be real. Get it?

No. Maybe you should write for Community.

 

[TheGreatDave]

The fact that Miles suggests that the Losties are the cause of the Incident is Darlton basically telling you, "the Losties do not cause the Incident."

Hmm...

 

[layzie1989]

What? No, they caused the incident by dropping the bomb dude.

I just think that the alt universe was their own world where blowing up the bomb sunk the island, as Ben's father explained, they were on the island, but left because of the incident. In reality, none of it worked, and they were actually the cause of the incident altogether. I think the bomb simply threw them all back to their own time.

What i'm gonna have to go back to look at is Desmond's flashes through time/dimensions. If this finale is saying that Desmond flashed to their purgatory as a result of the magnetism, then what does that say about when he blew up the hatch? I dont think his flashes to Penny in The Constant and his flashes in Flashes Before Your Eyes are the same thing. One was caused directly by the light, and the other by the "side effects" described by Faraday.

And Eloise knowing Desmond goes to the island, when he is trying to buy the ring, and says he's supposed to go to the island, fits really well with her "all knowing" presence this season in the alt universe.

I just blew my mind, i need to go watch those episodes again...

 

[ZeoVGM]

The whole point of pushing the button is to prevent another incident from happening. The same phenomenon we see/hear when the button isn't pushed is the same thing we see i S5 as a consequence of Dharma's drilling.

The fact that Miles suggests that the Losties are the cause of the Incident is Darlton basically telling you, "the Losties do not cause the Incident." The same way Anthony Cooper says the island is hell is the writers telling the audience that the island is not hell.

Not at all, because it goes against Daniel's theory which ended up being proved wrong.

The bomb was absolutely the incident. That's what the episode is about. If Darlton wanted to tell people the Losties didn't cause the incident, they wouldn't have made an episode called "The Incident", showing the Losties cause it. :lol

 

[cory]

Er, yes, I'm quite aware the island wasn't an illusion. Let me break my joke down for you:

On Lost the show consists of weird events taking place on a secluded island whose mysteries are never answered yet supposedly real. Meanwhile in a boring mundane world, the characters interact with each other normally only to find out it was all an illusion (of sorts).

In my joke, the show (Community) consists of boring, mundane events which are almost certainly real. However, in the finale, an alternate timeline would appear wherein a bunch of weird shit happens for supposedly no reason. The irony is that in this show the island would be fake, and the mundane show would be real. Get it?

This is what happens when CBS viewers try to watch other networks.

 

[NinjaCodah]

It's a character drama.

Part of the show is.

 

[Calcaneus]

Posted yet? From Jorge Garcia's blog:

 

[Costanza]

You are a disgrace to both shows.

Pretty much.

 

[Blader]

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So, is there anyone who doesn't think this light is the same as the light from the heart of the Island?[/QUOTE]

What's the connection?

 

[CabbageRed]

Yikes, I was really disappointed with this episode. Such a cheesy ending and it felt so lazy and uninspired. I was hoping the writers would turn things around (to something I enjoyed) but they did not.

Also, I don't get why Christian was there, or why the island was shown under water.

 

[Magnus]

If I hear one more person say "It's about the characters, stupid!" as a defense to why a poor plot played out or was resolved....

Man, why can't a show excel at both? Many have done it before. Lost could very much have been about the characters (and was) and found a way (with 3 years' notice) to plot itself out properly to a better closing series of events.

This article posted earlier covers it nicely:

http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...ST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

 

[Nameless]

What's the connection?

IF the flashsideways was indeed created by jughead(which is what I believe) then it was created in part by the island's energy.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

No. Maybe you should write for Community.

I think I did in a past life. Its simply a matter of time before I touch Don Glover's hand and remember our former relationship.

 

[Dead]

What's the connection?

Well, it pretty much means that Island IS special, and something worth protecting, as it indeed is the source of life, death and rebirth, and isn't "just an Island" like MIB said it was.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

My theory: The island needed to stay "shining" in order for our characters to come together and "move on" into a better plain of existence. BUT if the darkness took over, the island would no longer have control over these characters and therefor they would have ended up in an empty place alone and much darker than the world Christian revealed after opening the door.

The island was not only a metaphorical cork to maintain a balance, but also a spiritual one and a scientific one. Spiritually, the characters were ultimately lead to believe that this island was more than just an island. I feel that part of what fueled the island was this belief. And perhaps the only thing keeping all of this together was electro-magnetism.

I like that they left the simpler explanations for interpretation. I don't I really need to know who built it all. It could be Egyptians, Mayans, Aliens, People from the future, whoever. Not making it definitive means the show isn't over in our minds.

And as for why there were no child births... I'm pretty sure they hinted that it was part of the rules in Jacob and MIB's game. Maybe someday when you create a game, you can make up your own rules too. Even Ben made mention of this when he told Hurley he can have new rules for the island.

 

[StuBurns]

Not at all, because it goes against Daniel's theory which ended up being proved wrong.

The bomb was absolutely the incident. That's what the episode is about. If Darlton wanted to tell people the Losties didn't cause the incident, they wouldn't have made an episode called "The Incident", showing the Losties cause it. :lol

Keep saying it, doesn't make it fact.

 

[KevinCow]

What I don't understand is;

- Nothing was ever really explained about the island itself. Where was it's power coming from and who created it (that plug was obviously made by someone).

We don't know for sure. There's a cork keeping some bad energy in, and apparently creates good energy in the process.

It's just one of those questions lead to more questions things. Who was the protector before Mother? Who was the first protector? Who made him the first protector? Who gave that person the power to make him the first protector? And on and on. And you get a similar line of questions if you start to ask for more details on the island's power than that it's good and evil energy.

Someone pointed out that the light that envelops them at the end is similar to the light in the cave. Maybe everyone becomes a part of the light after they die.

- Why was man in black thrown from the light only to become smokey?

I'm not really sure about this. From the skeletons in the cave, it seems that people who went in there before just died. So why did MIB become Smokey? Maybe because he was unconscious or dead when he went in. Or maybe because of the rules Mother laid down. We'll probably never know.

- Why couldn't he just leave the island (or Jacob for that matter) and why would smokey leaving mean the end of the world (the guy wasn't inherently evil, he just wanted off the island to begin with but after being killed and otherwise shafted by his mum he was angsty). No reason to believe he couldn't have just left the island to begin with.

The mom didn't want him to leave because she was crazy. Jacob didn't want him to leave because he felt responsible for creating the smoke monster, and therefore responsible for keeping such a being from making its way into the rest of the world to do whatever the hell it wants to do. MIB has repeatedly shown disdain for humans and a desire to use them only for his own benefit. What do you think a person like that would do if he could turn into a giant ball of deadly smoke and never be killed?

- Why does the world end if the island is destroyed?

The good energy that exists in every person gives way to the evil energy that's bottled up, I suppose.

 

[Blader]

Not at all, because it goes against Daniel's theory which ended up being proved wrong.

The bomb was absolutely the incident. That's what the episode is about. If Darlton wanted to tell people the Losties didn't cause the incident, they wouldn't have made an episode called "The Incident", showing the Losties cause it. :lol

No it doesn't. The bomb always happened; it's what stops the Incident long enough for Dharma to finish the Swan's construction and create the button.

Again: pushing the button is supposed to prevent another incident from happening. What happens when the button isn't pushed is the same thing we see and hear when Dharma drills too far. And Kelvin even says in S2 that the incident was an EM leak.

If not pushing the button results in EM insanity, and not a nuclear bomb exploding, then the Incident has to be EM-related, not bomb-related.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Yikes, I was really disappointed with this episode. Such a cheesy ending and it felt so lazy and uninspired. I was hoping the writers would turn things around (to something I enjoyed) but they did not.

Also, I don't get why Christian was there, or why the island was shown under water.

The island being under water doesn't matter. It was underwater because they had to find each other in a world without the island. Simple as that.

No it doesn't. The bomb always happened; it's what stops the Incident long enough for Dharma to finish the Swan's construction and create the button.

Again: pushing the button is supposed to prevent another incident from happening. What happens when the button isn't pushed is the same thing we see and hear when Dharma drills too far. And Kelvin even says in S2 that the incident was an EM leak.

If not pushing the button results in EM insanity, and not a nuclear bomb exploding, then the Incident has to be EM-related, not bomb-related.

Yeah, I think you're completely wrong. We won't be changing each other's minds on this. I think it's pretty clear that the Losties were the ones who caused the incident.

 

[Mifune]

Devin Faraci has terrible taste in everything, though. And he decides whether he likes or dislikes something long before he watches it.

 

[Nameless]

I really want to watch this a third time.

 

[Discotheque]

If I hear one more person say "It's about the characters, stupid!" as a defense to why a poor plot played out or was resolved....

Truth. This excuse has been over-used to explain away many non-answer finales. Writers should start to plan out everything beforehand.

I didn't mind the ending, but it could have been so much better.

Devin Faraci has terrible taste in everything, though. And he decides whether he likes or dislikes something long before he watches it.

Yeah he's an asshole.

 

[Blader]

Yeah, I think you're completely wrong. We won't be changing each other's minds on this. I think it's pretty clear that the Losties were the ones who caused the incident.

Then what does pushing the button do? And how is that related to jughead going off?

 

[JPBrowncoat]

Jack says something to Desmond in the middle of the episode saying he realized they can't change their past and whatever happened, happened. This was before we realize what the sideways actually was so we doubt it until the end.

 

[CabbageRed]

The island being under water doesn't matter. It was underwater because they had to find each other in a world without the island. Simple as that.

But that would only be needed if they were in the real world, rather than the customized purgatory reality they were in. The island being underwater had no bearing on the characters letting go so there was no reason for it to be there at all.