LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Lard said:
It was an emotionally manipulative and sappy.

It just showed how wasted characters like Sayid, Sun and Jin were all season.
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Sayid was absolutely wasted this season. I agree.

But the "emotionally manipulative" thing that people throw out there is such a silly thing to say. How is that a negative thing? They're trying to make people emotional, yes. And?

TheGreatDave said:
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:lol :lol :lol

I don't understand the people saying "WHAT THE FUCK? HOW COULD YOU IGNORE SAWYER/KATE!?!?"

What exactly did they ignore? They got over each other. The love of Sawyer's life is Juliet. The love of Kate's life is Jack. Go write some fan fiction about how Sawyer and Kate fall in love with each other again when they get home, while trying to cope with their loses, and shut the fuck up.
 
Dead said:
Absolutely

Cop-out? :lol
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I think the problem is the show structured itself in such a way that there are mysteries, but none of those mysteries are suitable for explanation on the show. Things like Mysteries Of The Universe on the S5 DVD are the best way of approaching those things I'd say. Not in a finale. Hopefully the S6 DVD can satisfy people somewhat.
 
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Jack laughing like a crazy son of a bitch is such an incredible reprisal of one of my favorite entertainment trope (laughing like a crazy son of a bitch while the character's world is coming to an end) that I can forgive it be a trope. :lol
 
omg rite said:
Sayid was absolutely wasted this season. I agree.

But the "emotionally manipulative" thing that people throw out there is such a silly thing to say. How is that a negative thing? They're trying to make people emotional, yes. And?
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They're doing long emotionally manipulative self-congratulatory scenes that could have been filled with plot.

It's emotionally manipulative *and* lazy.
 
Lard said:
No, an ending which pisses all over the last six years and provides no sort of actual resolution or answer to what people actually wanted is not well written.
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Dude, don't even try it, doesn't worth it... Lost fans are delusional; deep inside they know the last 2 seasons sucked ass, but they feel better talking how "awesome" was the finale.
 
Oh god, don't pretend the goddamn "Two characters, utter strangers one moment, touch and are flooded with gilded memories and embrace as the music swells" shit that is repeated far too many times was anything other than horrible.
 
I wish people (and not just people here, but friends I've run into) wouldn't lump all fans into either true fan/finale lovers, or haters who either didn't get it or wanted more answers.

There were other reasons to dislike what we ultimately got.
 
Lard said:
It was *not* well written at all, and that's why people are angry.

Seriously, people were not going in to comment on the fucking editing.

Are you kidding me?
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It was well written in the way that it was intriguing and kept people watching... for nothing.
 
Lard said:
Well the people with critical thinking skills seem to be the only ones that are upset.
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Yes. Clearly responding with "fuck you" is a hallmark of critical thinking. Good job. Enjoy your holiday.
 
Beardz said:
Dude, don't even try it, doesn't worth it... Lost fans are delusional; deep inside they know the last 2 seasons sucked ass, but they feel better talking how "awesome" was the finale.
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If only I could be as enlightened as you :(
 
Lard said:
They're doing long emotionally manipulative self-congratulatory scenes that could have been filled with plot.

It's emotionally manipulative *and* lazy.
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I don't agree. We're just going to keep going in circles.

Son of Godzilla said:
Oh god, don't pretend the goddamn "Two characters, utter strangers one moment, touch and are flooded with gilded memories and embrace as the music swells" shit that is repeated far too many times was anything other than horrible.
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I'm not pretending, don't pull that pretentious crap. I honestly did not think it was horrible. Judging by this thread, many feel the same way.

Beardz said:
Dude, don't even try it, doesn't worth it... Lost fans are delusional; deep inside they know the last 2 seasons sucked ass, but they feel better talking how "awesome" was the finale.
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Some of you are so above-it-all it's embarrassing to read.

Don't tell me I'm fucking "delusional" because I have a different opinion. And if you had any reading comprehension skills, you would know that I repeatedly have said that this season was disappointing overall.

But no, the last TWO seasons did not "suck ass". Season 5 is brilliant television. I'm sorry you don't agree but get off your high horse.
 
Beardz said:
Dude, don't even try it, doesn't worth it... Lost fans are delusional; deep inside they know the last 2 seasons sucked ass, but they feel better talking how "awesome" was the finale.
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I wish someone would do for you, what Lost did for me. :(
 
Beardz said:
Dude, don't even try it, doesn't worth it... Lost fans are delusional; deep inside they know the last 2 seasons sucked ass, but they feel better talking how "awesome" was the finale.
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"Y'all come in here with your hearts bleedin' all over the floor about slum kids and injustice; you listen to some fairy tales; suddenly you start gettin' through to some of these old ladies... well, you're not getting through to me, I've had enough! WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU GUYS?!!"
 
Beardz said:
Dude, don't even try it, doesn't worth it... Lost fans are delusional; deep inside they know the last 2 seasons sucked ass, but they feel better talking how "awesome" was the finale.
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I really disagree with this. I thought Ab Aeterno was the best thing the show has ever done. There have been a couple of weak episodes this season, and Across the Sea was probably the worst episode of the series, but for the most part, season six was pretty damn cool. No season one or four, true, but no where near as weak as season five.

The finale was a remarkable piece of television. Yes, if people want to go through all aspects of the episode they can find better episodes, the editing? okay, it's not as good as the perfection of something like The Constant, but it was perfectly fine. The direction wasn't as good as the Pilot. The writing wasn't as strong as The Shape of Things to Come. The acting wasn't as good as Ab Aeterno, etc. But as a whole, the finale was incredible, and for me, completely fulfilled my hopes for the ending, I'm not going to cry that the rocks bounce in a way that doesn't imply the weight a rock should have. This is not a $200M movie. It is not given the time, and money required to produce start to finish perfection.
 
Watched the finale again today along with the two-hour special. Yeah. I like it better now. I can dig it. I can let go now.
 
I don't like all of this "the audience is stupid, they didn't get the ending, poor writers having their work misunderstood by idiots" stuff going on. Regardless of how intelligent your audience may or may not be, any misunderstanding of the plot is the fault of the writers/creators only. It's their job to understand their audience and to make sure that what they want conveyed is conveyed clearly. Most of the confusion out there is due to the intentionally vague dialog that was written whenever they attempted to explain anything, due to side-stepping the problem of "answers". Anyway, well produced, acted, and especially scored (I can't imagine what Lost would have been without it's composer - he single handedly carried so many episodes and moments) episode as always, but I still don't understand why the show can't be about the characters AND the plot? Like, is there some rule out there saying that you just can't do that? I'm sure it must be possible.
 
If had to make the role for a sideways Eko, I'd make him Sawyer's police chief. Being on the otherside of the law, tracking down drug lords in LA, doing the whole cliche "JAMES FOOOOOOOORRRRD, YOU JUST COST THIS CITY 7.5 MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY DAMAGES!!!" would've blew my dick clean off.
 
Foov said:
I don't like all of this "the audience is stupid, they didn't get the ending, poor writers having their work misunderstood by idiots" stuff going on. Regardless of how intelligent your audience may or may not be, any misunderstanding of the plot is the fault of the writers/creators only. It's their job to understand their audience and to make sure that what they want conveyed is conveyed clearly. Most of the confusion out there is due to the intentionally vague dialog that was written whenever they attempted to explain anything, due to side-stepping the problem of "answers". Anyway, well produced, acted, and especially scored (I can't imagine what Lost would have been without it's composer - he single handedly carried so many episodes and moments) episode as always, but I still don't understand why the show can't be about the characters AND the plot? Like, is there some rule out there saying that you just can't do that? I'm sure it must be possible.
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The plot is the story of what happens to the characters. Its not the A-Z of the Island.

And the story of these characters is what was resolved in the finale.
 
duckroll said:
I wish someone would do for you, what Lost did for me. :(
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Don't get me wrong, I used to love Lost; season 1 was GREAT, I couldn't sleep because I wanted to keep watching all night; but then season 5 and 6 came and everything went downhill.
 
Foov said:
I don't like all of this "the audience is stupid, they didn't get the ending, poor writers having their work misunderstood by idiots" stuff going on. Regardless of how intelligent your audience may or may not be, any misunderstanding of the plot is the fault of the writers/creators only. It's their job to understand their audience and to make sure that what they want conveyed is conveyed clearly. Most of the confusion out there is due to the intentionally vague dialog that was written whenever they attempted to explain anything, due to side-stepping the problem of "answers". Anyway, well produced, acted, and especially scored (I can't imagine what Lost would have been without it's composer - he single handedly carried so many episodes and moments) episode as always, but I still don't understand why the show can't be about the characters AND the plot? Like, is there some rule out there saying that you just can't do that? I'm sure it must be possible.
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The scene with Christian felt like it was trying it's very best to let people know that the show wasn't what an incredible amount of people proceeded to believe it was. That's what's frustrating. I can respect anyone's opinion as long as it's not borderline brainless.
 
just watched it on Hulu (didn't realize it aired on Sunday...was expecting tonight).

was able to fight back the tears for 1:55 minutes. failed epically for the last 5.

so good.

so good.


I must say that with Shannon and Boone back, I wondered strongly where Mr. Ecko was. otherwise, flawless victory. nobody saw the "alternate reality" coming! Nobody.

btw: what the hell happened in here? :lol
 
Foov said:
I don't like all of this "the audience is stupid, they didn't get the ending, poor writers having their work misunderstood by idiots" stuff going on. Regardless of how intelligent your audience may or may not be, any misunderstanding of the plot is the fault of the writers/creators only.
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If Christian said "2+2=4" at the end of the episode and Drinky Crow and Olimario still think 2+2=8, it's not the fault of the writers.

It was explained very clearly in the episode that everything that happened on the island was real. It's not fault of the writers if someone thinks people were dead the whole time because they made it clear in the episode.
 
Foov said:
I don't like all of this "the audience is stupid, they didn't get the ending, poor writers having their work misunderstood by idiots" stuff going on. Regardless of how intelligent your audience may or may not be, any misunderstanding of the plot is the fault of the writers/creators only. It's their job to understand their audience and to make sure that what they want conveyed is conveyed clearly. Most of the confusion out there is due to the intentionally vague dialog that was written whenever they attempted to explain anything, due to side-stepping the problem of "answers". Anyway, well produced, acted, and especially scored (I can't imagine what Lost would have been without it's composer - he single handedly carried so many episodes and moments) episode as always, but I still don't understand why the show can't be about the characters AND the plot? Like, is there some rule out there saying that you just can't do that? I'm sure it must be possible.
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Okay, this is pretty silly.

Every single viewer should have been able to fully understand what happened? Just imagine what you're asking. What if there is an eight year old with learning difficulties who's never seen an episode of Lost before? Are Darlton expected to make something so clear he can understand it? Imagine what that kind of episode would be like for a Lost fan.

Being ambiguous is not being a poor writer. The ending is very clear for anyone who cares. I don't care if a moronic journalist doesn't understand it, it's not for them. If Darlton tried to write it for every single English speaking person on earth to understand without any doubt, they messed up, but that clearly was not the intent. If anything, I think it's clearer than they wanted.
 
Magnus said:
Discussion and heavy debate about the show and the ending and its merits. Was to be expected. :lol
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yea, I guess so. people gotta learn to just enjoy shows. damn that was good. one of the few series I'm strongly inclined to own the box set of.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
If had to make the role for a sideways Eko, I'd make him Sawyer's police chief. Being on the otherside of the law, tracking down drug lords in LA, doing the whole cliche "JAMES FOOOOOOOORRRRD, YOU JUST COST THIS CITY 7.5 MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY DAMAGES!!!" would've blew my dick clean off.
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If I had to make the role for a sideways Eko, I'd make him an actor who really hasn't done too much in his career yet thinks he's worth far more than he really is.
 
omg rite said:
If Christian said "2+2=4" at the end of the episode and Drinky Crow and Olimario still think 2+2=8, it's not the fault of the writers.

It was explained very clearly in the episode that everything that happened on the island was real. It's not fault of the writers if someone thinks people were dead the whole time because they made it clear in the episode.
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The average person probably heard Jack ask: "They're all dead too?" and then heard Christian say (paraphrased): "Everyone dies some time. Some before you, some long after you", which they summarized as "yes" in their minds. All they had to do was misinterpret one line and it becomes easy to see how they'd leap to the everyone's dead conclusion.

But yeah, how would anyone not be paying attention at that moment. It was like God was speaking and there were only 7 minutes left to go. It's aggravating that people would miss it and so wildly misunderstand everything.

Dreams-Visions said:
yea, I guess so. people gotta learn to just enjoy shows. damn that was good. one of the few series I'm strongly inclined to own the box set of.
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Well come on -- one of Lost's merits is that it's one of the shows worth discussing and debating over. I'm so grateful to it primarily because it's that kind of show.
 
Magnus said:
The average person probably heard Jack ask: "They're all dead too?" and then heard Christian say (paraphrased): "Everyone dies some time. Some before you, some long after you", which they summarized as "yes" in their minds. All they had to do was misinterpret one line and it becomes easy to see how they'd leap to the everyone's dead conclusion.

But yeah, how would anyone not be paying attention at that moment. It was like God was speaking and there were only 7 minutes left to go. It's aggravating that people would miss it and so wildly misunderstand everything.
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They were all dead in the church though, it doesn't matter if they misheard those lines. Everybody dies sooner or later kiddo.

The misunderstanding of the ending is only because people didn't know the 'sideways' was any different to flashbacks, and that only happens if they don't watch the show.

The finale is for fans, not for people who haven't watched it for three years.

This is what I think happened:

Editor: "Lost ends tonight, do a write up for tomorrow"
Writer: "Not seen that in years though"
Editor: "There is a catch up thing before hand, you'll be fine"
Writer then decides not to waste five hours of his life watching a show he doesn't care about, so he skips the catch up, doesn't know about the sideways, and doesn't understand the ending. That's it.
 
What was up with people like Kate and Claire anyways?

Assuming they leaded a full life after the Island wouldn't they be with their long-loves in the afterlife?

Rather than go back to some dudes they only knew for like a few years?
 
StuBurns said:
They were all dead in the church though, it doesn't matter if they misheard those lines. Everybody dies sooner or later kiddo.

The misunderstanding of the ending is only because people didn't know the 'sideways' was any different to flashbacks, and that only happens if they don't watch the show.

The finale is for fans, not for people who haven't watched it for three years.
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But I totally watched the entire series when I heard it was ending.

Am I part of your 'non' fans for not having watched it for three years? :(
 
StuBurns said:
They were all dead in the church though, it doesn't matter if they misheard those lines. Everybody dies sooner or later kiddo.

The misunderstanding of the ending is only because people didn't know the 'sideways' was any different to flashbacks, and that only happens if they don't watch the show.

The finale is for fans, not for people who haven't watched it for three years.
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That's what part of me thinks: that the people writing the articles don't even watch the show. They just assumed the flash-sideways were through the entire show.
 
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