LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Sometimes I hate telling people I'm a Lost fan. I either run into: A) casual fans who attempt to "wow" me with their fuck horrible theories or B) smug assholes who like to point out how "they're making it up as they go along".

Oh yeah, then there's C) fans who watched the show up until a certain season and then quit because "it became too ridiculous/stupid/unbelievable." They are usually even more smug than the people who never watched in the first place.

Two friends came over to pickup my roommate last night when I was watching the clip show. I told them the Lost finale was about to be on. Their responses?

"You know you're never going to get any answers, right?
and
"What's up with the polar bears? They ever explain that?"

The latter person watched Lost until S4 :(

smhx1000
 
Magnus said:
If I hear one more person say "It's about the characters, stupid!" as a defense to why a poor plot played out or was resolved....

Man, why can't a show excel at both? Many have done it before. Lost could very much have been about the characters (and was) and found a way (with 3 years' notice) to plot itself out properly to a better closing series of events.

This article posted earlier covers it nicely:

http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...ST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

I agree with you and most of that article.
 
You know there are people out there who aren't smug assholes who also believed that the writers were making it up as they went along.

You seem like you just don't like anybody who doesn't agree with you.
 
Wait, I just thought of something... cause I really didn't understand this ending at all. How come Walt and the dad guy aren't there with everyone? Is it because they died outside of the island or something? And if so, wouldn't that mean that Kate, James, and the other people in the plane shouldn't be there? I'm just really confused. And also, I don't understand what the whole point of the island was. Was it a sort of purgatory?
 
Magnus said:
If I hear one more person say "It's about the characters, stupid!" as a defense to why a poor plot played out or was resolved....

Man, why can't a show excel at both? Many have done it before. Lost could very much have been about the characters (and was) and found a way (with 3 years' notice) to plot itself out properly to a better closing series of events.

This article posted earlier covers it nicely:

http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...ST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

It has. Just because they writers didn't go out of their way to answer pointless questions that you over hyped in your mind doesn't mean the show has failed in terms of mythology. What questions that went unanswered obstruct your understanding of the narrative? The type of shit most people seem to want to know is akin to "Why was Darth Vader's suit designed the way it was" or "Who was the first person to wield the dark side of the force".
 
Discotheque said:
You seem like you just don't like anybody who doesn't agree with you.

Welcome to the thread. It's full of these people. And I turned into one of them for half an hour last night too. :lol

It's funny too watching all the high fives go around when someone posts that they too thought it was the most brilliant episode of anything to grace the airwaves. :lol
 
StuBurns said:
Jokes aside, what is up with the polar bears? Did one turn the wheel? For what purpose?

The main reason they were there was to do various experiments on animals by taking them out of their regular environments, I believe. But at some point in time a polar bear did turn the wheel. Presumably because they wanted to see what would happen?
 
Magnus said:
Welcome to the thread. It's full of these people. And I turned into one of them for half an hour last night too. :lol

It's funny too watching all the high fives go around when someone posts that they too thought it was the most brilliant episode of anything to grace the airwaves. :lol

We've heard you. You didn't like it. Why do you feel the need to spend your time trolling those that did?
 
Nameless said:
It has. Just because they writers didn't go out of their way to answer pointless questions that you over hyped in your mind doesn't mean the show has failed in terms of mythology. What questions that went unanswered obstruct your understanding of the narrative? The type of shit most people seem to want to know is akin to "Why was Darth Vader's suit designed the way it was" or "Who was the first person to wield the dark side of the force".

I didn't want anything else answered man. I'm not one of the ones who wanted answers to the cabin, or Walt, or anything more really. I mean, some more answers would have been nice, but I realized we weren't getting them since Across the Sea.

My quarrel is with the one answer we did get -- the nature of the LA X/Sideways universe revealed to us in the last 10 minutes. It was disastrous.

I'm in here reading because I'm still fascinated by discussion about the show, and it's on my mind. I get a little irate seeing reverse trolling all over the place, implications that anyone who didn't think it was a brilliant ending didn't "get" the show. It's going both ways.

I apologize if I stirred the pot again, I'll back out.

Nameless said:
We've heard you. You didn't like it. Why do you feel the need to spend your time trolling those that did?

The thread's reserved for people that enjoyed every last drop? The 'real' lost fans?
 
Magnus said:
If I hear one more person say "It's about the characters, stupid!" as a defense to why a poor plot played out or was resolved....
Yeah, i really hate this defense in both the LOST and BSG threads, during their respective final seasons. :lol
 
Aesius said:
Sometimes I hate telling people I'm a Lost fan. I either run into: A) casual fans who attempt to "wow" me with their fuck horrible theories or B) smug assholes who like to point out how "they're making it up as they go along".

Oh yeah, then there's C) fans who watched the show up until a certain season and then quit because "it became too ridiculous/stupid/unbelievable." They are usually even more smug than the people who never watched in the first place.

Two friends came over to pickup my roommate last night when I was watching the clip show. I told them the Lost finale was about to be on. Their responses?

"You know you're never going to get any answers, right?
and
"What's up with the polar bears? They ever explain that?"

The latter person watched Lost until S4 :(

smhx1000



As a person who has watched the entire series (just finished the last episode earlier today) I'm still sticking with the C team.

This last season was better, but the two before were pretty awful. 1-3 were fucking awesome, however.

It has nothing to do with your silly smug comments or anything. It's simply an opinion.
 
StuBurns said:
Jokes aside, what is up with the polar bears? Did one turn the wheel? For what purpose?

Reposting just because:

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Oyashiro said:
Wait, I just thought of something... cause I really didn't understand this ending at all. How come Walt and the dad guy aren't there with everyone? Is it because they died outside of the island or something? And if so, wouldn't that mean that Kate, James, and the other people in the plane shouldn't be there? I'm just really confused. And also, I don't understand what the whole point of the island was. Was it a sort of purgatory?
This show is too complex for you. Just go watch whatever anime is in your avatar.
 
Discotheque said:
You know there are people out there who aren't smug assholes who also believed that the writers were making it up as they went along.

You seem like you just don't like anybody who doesn't agree with you.

If there are those people out there, I've never met them.

Usually me telling someone I'm a fan of Lost either results in the three scenarios I laid out above: excitement followed by bad theories, or eye rolling and a lecture on why the show is so horrible (and it's always the "they're making it up as they go along" excuse.

I've never been a fan of something that was so polarizing (hurr hurr) for people.
 
Dead said:
So, is there anyone who doesn't think this light is the same as the light from the heart of the Island?

Yes. Because they're in an afterlife or whatever you want to call it version of Eko's church on the beach. Which of course is on the island.
 
Costanza said:
This show is too complex for you. Just go watch whatever anime is in your avatar.
Why don't you explain it to him instead of personally insulting him? i mean come on.:lol
 
Nameless said:
It has. Just because they writers didn't go out of their way to answer pointless questions that you over hyped in your mind doesn't mean the show has failed in terms of mythology. What questions that went unanswered obstruct your understanding of the narrative? The type of shit most people seem to want to know is akin to "Why was Darth Vader's suit designed the way it was" or "Who was the first person to wield the dark side of the force".

Not at all. Many of the questions I wanted answers to were pretty fundamental to the show and the show pushed their mythos HEAVILY in previous seasons.

If you want to go with star wars, perhaps saying questions like "what is the force?", "who is darth vader?" and "is that really a moon?" might be a better analogy. They were all answered better in just 3 films, however.

Edit: I don't know why I'm arguing really, I enjoyed it for the most part, as I said in my earlier post though I was always a bit of a mythos guy rather than a jack>kate>sawyer love triangle guy.
 
I don't understand the "they're making it up as they go along" line of thinking.

Thematically, the show is perfect. It's consistent, and there's an obvious conflict between two main characters that's resolved perfectly. There are many plot elements introduced in early seasons that play out in the later ones.
 
Lafiel said:
Why don't you explain it to him instead of personally insulting him? i mean come on.:lol


His community avatar just proves how complex his emotions are. Do not defy him.
 
Discotheque said:
Watch more sci-fi shows brah. Many of them have polarizing seasons/episodes/finales that some people are bound to hate.

Point being, I've never experienced such backlash from people. Generally people just go along with whatever when a person describes their taste in music, movies, books, etc. But mention Lost and it's a guarantee that someone will hate it and tell everyone why it's so bad.
 
"Only those high on Lost awesome fumes could ever think this was good!"

"People who didn't like the finale were never real fans!"

And then the people saying these things have the audacity to actually fight each other. What the hell guys.

A few people who came away with bad reactions had the wrong idea or misinterpreted things that weren't really up for interpretation. Some were just expecting something else, which is totally fine. Some people, like myself, loved the shit out of it and don't feel like defending it means being an apologist by any stretch. The very word implies there is some objective truth regarding quality and therefore the apologist is necessarily on the wrong end desperately trying to argue their way out. Nonsense.
 
StuBurns said:
Jokes aside, what is up with the polar bears? Did one turn the wheel? For what purpose?

Its not about the polar bears. Its about the characters and the way they interact with one another. The polar bears were just a way of setting up the next character driven scenario.
 
I really enjoyed the finale. Been getting a lot of hazing on my FB status for it, but I did. For all the hell the island made them endure, it was nice to see the Losties end in a happy place.

I have no major problems with it. ^_^
 
Lafiel said:
Yeah, i really hate this defense in both the LOST and BSG threads, during their respective final seasons. :lol

I wound up enjoying the BSG finale more upon reviewing it after watching the entire series again. And man, was I ever fucking livid when it first aired about most of the events that occurred.

I'm really anticipating watching this show again from the start, both to see how the final season/finale affect the entire show, and how the review will affect my perception of the ending.

Costanza said:
This show is too complex for you. Just go watch whatever anime is in your avatar.

Dude, you need to relax; so many personal insults coming from you in the last 24 hours. :lol That said...I agree with your statement. :lol :lol
 
Lafiel said:
Why don't you explain it to him instead of personally insulting him? i mean come on.:lol
In his defense, you're asking us to explain a show that took over a hundred hours to watch, in a way that is more simple than watching the show itself, it's a tall order.

The island was totally real, it was a 'cork' preventing evil from souring earth. The 'flashsideways' that the show used this year was a purgatory, everything until the start of LA X was real.
 
So, emotionally, the finale was a beautiful end note to a series that has captivated me for years. Intellectually, perhaps even thematically, it was a terrible example of storytelling. I'm sure by now others have pointed out similar, but I felt cheated by the ending scene's rendering of every previous scene in the show completely irrelevant.

Thing is, the whole production crew are competent enough that they sorta almost made it work. I was taken through that emotional rollercoaster; the production and technical direction of the show was never in doubt. But the moment it ended I felt so damn empty about the whole affair.

As I'm sure people have/will put it more eloquently than me, there were a couple of less-nebulous things that leapt out at me whilst watching:

1 - the heart of the island having man-made elements. Explaining who/what civilization/god made that place would be terribly trite. Exploring whether or not the Island is a completely natural entity would not have been. We're told that the island is like a cork for all the world's evil, that scene showed us a literal cork. I don't need to know how that cork got there, but I sure as hell need to know why much better than simple vague statements about it being a very bad thing.
2 - Jack was the only character to have any semblance of an arc. Everyone else just went through a series of states (or maintained one constant state) throughout the entire show without any ultimate purpose. That's fucking bullshit.

Masaki_" said:
Also, this video, holy shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxIUJgRsC9U

I really don't wanna sound like those excessively zealous fans who think all the major plot points were planned, but this conversation makes me BELIEVE.
What this video illustrates best for me is the massive shift that occurred in LOST post-season 3. LOST was a slow program that gave room to ideas. It set up questions that, while not necessarily needed answering for the show to succeed, certainly needed on-screen contemplation. Solo is a fan of posting that scene in Season 2 where Locke gets Jack to cave in and push the button - that back and forth, discussion. Drama.

That sort of thing was almost entirely absent from Lost in the end. It just started throwing plot at us and moving the characters along the plot, never stopping to consider or expand on anything whilst Damon and Carlton used the excuse of focussing on the characters and story rather than the mythology. Both of those elements were hurt by this approach. I thought season 4, despite being very fast-paced, worked magnificently. It presented clues to an ultimate endgame - an intelligent one - that ultimately never emerged. Season 5 managed the impossible of removing the mystery and enigma behind the Dharma Initiative (previously my personal favourite element of the show) without actually explaining a single thing of consequence about it other than the management had some internal politics it really should have worked out in a team-building session.

And I don't really have a proper conclusion or direction for this rant. Just stating how I feel with the most immediate objections that leap into my mind. The real kicker for me is that they knew since season 3 that they had three years to sort this out, and this was the best they could come up with. I disliked the purgatory concept, but I don't even think they executed on their own idea well enough to dissipate my own personal preference disappointment.

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Not entirely unrelated thought -
Seasons 1 to 3 presented a fascinating balance between retro science intrigue (cold war-esque secret scientific experiments in the 70s and 80s is always a brilliant aesthetic to use) and spiritualism. The Island was definitely something more than a scientific anomaly, and with Jacob's fantastic (unfortunately, ultimately faux) introduction at the tail end of season 3, there was a hidden element controlling things from afar.*

Building up with hints in seasons 2, season 4, with its use of the hieroglyphics and donkey wheel, introduced another element - the mythological. Season 4 was the last time these thematic aesthetics were all in complete balance. Season 5 pretended to explore the scientific elements, season 6 pretended to explore the mythological to the exclusion of the other two and the spiritual was brought front-and-centre for the finale without any intellectual depth behind it, just feel-good (I'll admit, it felt good, until it finished and left a bad after taste) rubbish. Demond's episode looked to re-address that balance, but it was a false promise.

*I will never for one minute believe that when the reveal was initially written, the idea that Ben was making it all up was in place. His reaction ("you've had your fun!", "that was Jacob...") made that particular twist at season 5's near-conclusion wash false with me.

I'll stop here.

edit - judging by the flaming going back and forth in this thread, perhaps in the interests of full disclosure I should say I loved the finale to BSG the first time I watched it, and everytime since? That show did 'not answering things but still leaving you thematically satisfied' much better.
 
IrrelevantNotch said:
Its not about the polar bears. Its about the characters and they interact with one another. The polar bears were just a way of setting up the next character driven scenario.

OK, you clearly dislike Lost. I saw your "crummy" post in the other thread, so I get it.
You don't like Lost.
So let's move along, you're only stirring up the hive right now, no need to be a dick.
 
Aesius said:
If there are those people out there, I've never met them.

Usually me telling someone I'm a fan of Lost either results in the three scenarios I laid out above: excitement followed by bad theories, or eye rolling and a lecture on why the show is so horrible (and it's always the "they're making it up as they go along" excuse.

I've never been a fan of something that was so polarizing (hurr hurr) for people.

How about someone who loves the show (theories and all), but hates Seasons 5 and 6 because they've completely abandoned everything that made the first several seasons incredible? Oh wait, you got me there - I do think that they were making it up as they go along, so my opinion is now invalid. Whoops.
 
That CHUD article (haven't read all of it..) got me thinking about the greater significance of the temple part of season six.

Was it a (story) parallel to the church/Lamp post?

(I'm really just spit balling.. but there must be more to the temple arc)

The Lamp post was managed by Eloise.
The temple was managed by Dogen.
The Lamp post was in a church, which contains holy water.
The temple conceals a pool of healing water.
The Lamp post was a well guarded secret, like the temple.
Inside the temple, everyone was safe from the smoke monster.
People seek refuge in churches.

Dogen died, Smokey attacked and killed everyone inside.
Eloise and Daniel awakened, this led to Desmond awakening and leading all of the LOSTies to meet in the church/Lamp post.

Smokey invited everyone who wanted to live outside the temple, to join him...
Hurley invited Ben into the church to move on/leave (onto the next existence?)
The temple door was blown open by Smokey before he killed everyone inside.
The church door was opened by Christian, perhaps showing the way for the LOSTies to leave/move on?

Am I reaching (usually).. but does anyone else have any insight?
 
I thought it was explained they trained the polar buros to turn the wheel because they didn't know what would happen if they turned it? Perhaps because it was cold down in the well where the wheel was they suspected it might take them to someplace cold. The island had to have been moved before. Perhaps thats why the Lamp Post station was created in the first place; to find the island because it was lost due to their stupidity for turning the wheel.


there's a lot of shit the dharma people did that will never be explained, but it's really fun to speculate, so i dont really care :lol
 
Magnus said:
I wound up enjoying the BSG finale more upon reviewing it after watching the entire series again. And man, was I ever fucking livid when it first aired about most of the events that occurred.

I'm really anticipating watching this show again from the start, both to see how the final season/finale affect the entire show, and how the review will affect my perception of the ending.

Same thing happened to me. I didn't mind the Lost ending, but I think I'll probably appreciate it more after a series re-watch.

Also after watching BSG again I started pointing out a lot of foreshadowing for the ending, though I can't deny that Ron. Moore didn't have too much of the end planned out.

He has the excuse of the writers strike and sci-fi raping it though.
 
Magnus said:
I wound up enjoying the BSG finale more upon reviewing it after watching the entire series again. And man, was I ever fucking livid when it first aired about most of the events that occurred.

I'm really anticipating watching this show again from the start, both to see how the final season/finale affect the entire show, and how the review will affect my perception of the ending.
I loved the BSG finale too. I just hate how the excuse gets used to defend poor handling of the series mythology (or even plot) for both their respective series. LOST was about as much about the mythology as it was about it's characters, and i'm dissapointed they didn't execute the former as well as they could have.
 
Preface to this post: I thought the episode was perfect and more than I could have asked for



But I thought this was funny.

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"we can now move on":lol

But back on topic, I loved the episode. Great final send off.
 
the walrus said:
How about someone who loves the show (theories and all), but hates Seasons 5 and 6 because they've completely abandoned everything that made the first several seasons incredible? Oh wait, you got me there - I do think that they were making it up as they go along, so my opinion is now invalid. Whoops.

Are you a prick to people in real life who like the show? No? Then I don't give a fuck, and you are entitled to your opinion.
 
layzie1989 said:
I thought it was explained they trained the polar buros to turn the wheel because they didn't know what would happen if they turned it? Perhaps because it was cold down in the well where the wheel was they suspected it might take them to someplace cold. The island had to have been moved before. Perhaps thats why the Lamp Post station was created in the first place; to find the island because it was lost due to their stupidity for turning the wheel.
But then in season 5's introduction they showed that Dharma never reached the Wheel as Chang ordered them not to drill any further into the chamber. So like, what's up with that? Way to ruin a perfectly good explanation for the polar bears for a throw-away piece of dialogue designed to get the blood pumping, guys!
 
Lafiel said:
Why don't you explain it to him instead of personally insulting him? i mean come on.:lol

Yeah, let's not tear down the people we don't agree with.

Except for Devin Faraci. If anyone deserves some good old fashioned character assassination, it's that smug snarky fuck.
 
They pitched a new series called Lost 2: Vampire Street Racing Apocalypse starring Megan Fox and Walt. They move to a new island called Japan and start an underground street racing team of vampires, it's ultra rad.
 
After having slept on everything, I still feel this one of of the best episodes of Lost, and I still feel that it was mostly the pure emotion that everyone threw in it that made it so good. The culmination of everything coming to an end, along with the "flashes" that everyone got, made the episode special to me. I can see where some of the anger is coming from. You can make the case that it was too manipulative/too much fan service. I also understand that "any show can end like that". Maybe in the future my respect of this show will calm down a bit, knowing what is going on, but as of now, I still feel that it was one of the most emotional episodes of television I've ever seen, and that means a lot to me.

Feel a but bad for Lindlecuse right now, it's not that people didn't like it, or even that they misinterpreted it. It's that people are misinterpreting it as the absolute WORST thing it could have been ("They were all dead the whole time").
 
After the finale, I've been trying to piece together the meaning of the light at the heart of the island and what role the smoke monster plays in its protection and existence.

My conclusion is that it was absolutely vital for the light to stay on not for the physical existence of the earth and humanity, but as a way for people to move on after they have died.

I think this could potentially explain these three things:

1. What the smoke monster is and how it came into existence:

The light at the heart of the island is the same light that Jack and the others see at the church in the moment they are ready to "move on." They are only able to enter this light once they have let go and come to terms with the events in their lives and the unfulfilled desires that haunt them.

The Man in Black, however, enters the light (when he falls into the waterfall as he is knocked out) before his death (or perhaps right as he dies) without having let go of his desire to leave the island forever. He is still angry with his "crazy" mother who lied to him and destroyed his hopes of leaving the island. This creates a sort of anomaly - an entity that represents annihilation and an absolute unwillingness to let go.

Mr. Eko's death was pivotal in illustrating the smoke monster's mindset. Mr. Eko, as he confesses to who seems to be his dead brother, is at peace with the bad stuff he has done in his life, including the killing of men in the defense of his brother. Eko's ability to let go is something that the smoke monster cannot understand and, in fact, maddens him. People like Mr. Eko cannot be manipulated through guilt.

2. Whether the smoke monster was lying to people when he claims that he could give them whatever they wanted:

He was not lying. The smoke monster is a symbol of regret and longing. When he tells Sayid that he can give him anything in the world that he wanted, he was telling the truth.

The smoke monster is an embodiment of purgatory - a place where all the harbored desires of men would play out for eternity if it weren't for the opportunity to let go. He can take the form of people who have died because he is a projection of purgatory in the real world. This is why he shows people things that have occurred to them in the past: it is an attempt for them to latch on to their regrets, moving in the opposite direction of letting go.

Sayid was once again reunited with Nadia, but he was unhappy. This was probably what he wished for in the last days before his death, but this did not bring him happiness. Shannon was his way of letting go of all the guilt in his life, including the guilt of all the killing he had done.

3. How Desmond was able to safely uncork the heart of the island without dying, and what him being the fail safe means:

How did Desmond not succumb to the same fate as the Man in Black? The light likely relates to electromagnetic energy which Desmond was able to withstand in large amounts. When Widmore subjected Desmond to the EM, Desmond's consciousness drifted into purgatory. By getting a glimpse of enlightenment, Desmond became capable of withstanding the light at the core of the island without creating the same anomaly that the MiB did.

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A possible hole in this theory is Jack's ability to withstand the light when recorks the source. Does anyone have an explanation for this within the framework I laid out?
 
Honestly, I'm not sure what I thought about this finale. I think this season has convinced me that I'm not a Lost fan; simply a Season 2 & 3 fan.

I only discovered the show a few months ago, so I find it impossible to relate to people insisting they were misty-eyed the entire episode, because I've never had a chance to become that emotionally invested with the characters. When I sit back and think; people have invested a lot time and energy into a series of episodes with character development and cliffhangers for more than six years. That's pretty exhausting, so it's not that surprising that a lot of fans seem to be glad it's over.

With that said, it seems like there's an almost universal appreciation among true fans for how it ended. From my detached perspective, I didn't find much to like about the episode, but I think that's because it wasn't made for me (I was also distracted by a live stream of an SSF4 tourney, so I didn't get to focus on the episode as much as I wanted).

It'll be interesting to see if this show holds up 10 -20 years down the road, though. IMO, I can't imagine it will.
 
Discotheque said:
You know there are people out there who aren't smug assholes who also believed that the writers were making it up as they went along.

You seem like you just don't like anybody who doesn't agree with you.

lmao get over yourself, they didn't know what they were doing and it showed

Just finished the finale...

Glad I didn't watch this show from the beginning or I'd be pissed right now. Instead I found the finale to be a good episode, but a laughable season finale. The one "big" answer provided is basically what people said after the first few episodes of S1: they're in Purgatory. Sure most of them died long after the initial crash or whatever, but it's still basically Purgatory.

What exactly about the island needed to be protected? Seriously, I figured there would be some "fruit of everlasting life" shit that people wanted, but I still can't grasp why anyone gave a shit about the island. And guess what - I'll never know. smh

The episode summed up the entire season: good, but a horrible finale. There is no closure here.
 
StuBurns said:
Jokes aside, what is up with the polar bears? Did one turn the wheel? For what purpose?

Yes, one did turn the wheel. We see Charlotte digging up its remains in Confirmed Dead. I suppose the Dharma Initiative wanted to move the island, though we don't know why. We also don't know why it didn't cause time skips like the first time.

Oyashiro said:
Wait, I just thought of something... cause I really didn't understand this ending at all. How come Walt and the dad guy aren't there with everyone? Is it because they died outside of the island or something? And if so, wouldn't that mean that Kate, James, and the other people in the plane shouldn't be there? I'm just really confused. And also, I don't understand what the whole point of the island was. Was it a sort of purgatory?

Real reason Michael and Walt weren't there: Walt grew eight feet, and having Michael without Walt in the flash-sideways wouldn't have had a point, since his relationship with his son was pretty much the defining point of his character.

Story reason: Michael wasn't there because he was trapped on the island for killing Ana Lucia and Libby and never got to atone for his sins. Walt wasn't there because it wasn't the most important thing to ever happen to him. They weren't the people he was destined to share his life with.

As for what the point of the island was: It was protecting some good energy, or keeping an evil energy trapped, or both. The show wasn't totally clear on this. But no, it wasn't a purgatory.

In the end, it's irrelevant to their afterlife. It just happened to be where these people met and became intertwined in each other's lives. If it hadn't been the island, it might have been something more mundane, like they a book club or something.
 
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