LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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KevinCow said:
The island has its new protector, the survivors got off the island, the smoke monster that was terrorizing the island for Jacob's entire tenure is dead, and all the characters completed their arcs. So... quite a bit was resolved.



It keeps an evil energy out of the world and exudes a good energy. If you need to know more than this, then I'm not sure you could have ever been satisfied with an explanation.



We've seen it do a lot of things. Heal people, prevent people from dying, moving people through time and space... does it matter what the extent of the island's abilities are?



Probably something to do with the Incident. This is one of the things we don't really know.



Because of the crazy shit the island can do, plus his craving for power. Same reason Ben was so jealous of Locke.



He was the catalyst for several major events, most notably the freighter arc, the O6 leaving, and Desmond coming back.

In the end, he was just another in a long line of characters who we assumed knew more than they actually did just because they were mysterious when they were first introduced.

Pretty weak. Witmore's motives make sense, but everything else is vague to me. Showing what the island can do doesn't explain what it is, and the good energy/bad energy thing is laughable. A cork? Seriously?
 
GDJustin said:
- So, we got answers about the flash-sideways, but no answers about the island :/ I'm OK with the "light" - better to leave that ambiguous rather than over-explain it. But everything with Desmond remaining unresolved bugs me. What did he THINK he was going to do? And why did Jack think that it was going to kill Flocke? Desmond's entire "on the island" story in Season 6 is a little more undercooked than I would like.

- Am I mistaken or is Charlie not at the Church at the end?
Desmond thought it was his job to bring everyone to the alt timeline. He saw flashes of it, but didn't actually understand that what he was seeing was the afterlife. He stopped the light thinking it would transport all of his friends to safety/happiness, which is why he had a breakdown towards the end. Jack understood that Desmond was brought back to the island "for a reason" and the only possible reason would be to stop Flocke, he just didn't exactly know how until Desmond put out the light.

Charlie is there sitting next to Claire. He is so tiny you probably couldn't see him behind Jack.
 
Desmond was the first on the island to know the truth about the X timeline, that's why he was the only one who wasn't scared about smokey, he knew that he would be in a good place when his time was over.
 
Insertia said:
Disappointing.

I didn't watch a single episode of season 6 (minus the finale) because I was busy with school&work and when I tried to watch it was kind of 'meh.


But this ending was just...boring for all the greatness and entertainment Lost has brought to TV. When did Lost become a standard show about relationship interactions? From the way it was shot it looked like I was watching Greys Anatomy or something.

I liked Lost the most when it was X-Files on a cool mysterious island with odd people, settings, and events happening. And instead of Scully and Mulder, we had a huge cast of interesting characters.
This ending Lost what made the show exciting.

LOST
If that's the case then nobody gives a flying fuck what you think.
 
GDJustin said:
- I think the biggest failing of Season 6, and maybe the biggest failing of ALL of Lost, is that the stakes are never properly set. So MiB can't leave the island. Why? Because he's evil? What will happen if he does? What happens if the light goes out? I'm fine with ambiguity, but when you introduce ambiguity with your villains and what is at stake... then there is no drama.

Without knowing what happens if Flocke escapes, it isn't dramatic seeing him try, and seeing the candidates try to stop him.
I think Jacob's and MIB's mom was brought to the island by that woman protector/fake mom. I think she was half crazy from being alone,wanted kids, and a new protector. She didn't want them to leave for. MIB becoming smokey seemed to have trapped some of the island light in him. They said many things like messing with the light and letting Smokey leave will cause something worse than death and they will lose the people they care about forever. In the finale we see death doesn't matter as much as being able to move on with people you care about does.
 
Something else that I find somewhat iffy. Why would you leave the reunion with all your friends from the most important time of your life to venture into the unknown of the after life? Also, was the prospect of raising even the semblance of their daughter not important to Jin and Sun? As a parent I just find that a bit hard to swallow, that's what she said.
 
Is altx happening a the same tineframe as season 6? Or does it happens later? Or it doesnt have time?

Im still not understanding it 100%
 
Costanza said:
If that's the case then nobody gives a flying fuck what you think.

Every time I come back into this thread, I love your one liners more and more. It's almost exactly what I'd go around saying in these threads if I were a more regular poster. :lol
 
Nameless said:
The most touching part is that "awakening" saw them each pick up wherever they left off in the OG timeline, only they retained the experiences of this "second chance" as well. Kate went on to live a long live off Island in the OG timeline, which made her saying "God I missed you" so fuckin powerful. The last time she saw him was that final embrace we see on the cliff. The last thing Sun & Jin remember is dying on the sub, orphaning their daughter in the process. Keep that in mind when watching their X-timeline reunion. You could totally feel that Sawyer had never fully gotten over Juliet despite leaving the island during their reunion. However you look at it we saw these characters receiving the ultimate happy endings as a direct result of going through complete and utter misery. They forged a connection that transcended everything.

This+2, why it was the perfect ending.
 
Byakuya769 said:
Something else that I find somewhat iffy. Why would you leave the reunion with all your friends from the most important time of your life to venture into the unknown of the after life? Also, was the prospect of raising even the semblance of their daughter not important to Jin and Sun? As a parent I just find that a bit hard to swallow, that's what she said.
Also, why were they so happy to find out that they had drowned to death and orphaned their daughter when they had their epiphany?
 
Jak140 said:
Also, why were they so happy to find out that they had drowned to death and orphaned their daughter when they had their epiphany?

Because they see the irony of having a second chance with a daughter, knowing in this heaven that they were blessed once a gain with that daughter they never could have raised since they died in a submarine.
 
Nameless said:
The most touching part is that "awakening" saw them each pick up wherever they left off in the OG timeline, only they retained the experiences of this "second chance" as well. Kate went on to live a long live off Island in the OG timeline, which made her saying "God I missed you" so fuckin powerful. The last time she saw him was that final embrace we see on the cliff. The last thing Sun & Jin remember is dying on the sub, orphaning their daughter in the process. Keep that in mind when watching their X-timeline reunion. You could totally feel that Sawyer had never fully gotten over Juliet despite leaving the island during their reunion. However you look at it we saw these characters receiving the ultimate happy endings as a direct result of going through complete and utter misery. They forged a connection that transcended everything.
I didn't even think about that. The weight behind Kate saying "go I missed you".
 
duckroll said:
I don't really know what to say to this except that it is not true. I of all people here cannot be accused of "rationalizing the show's faults into somehow being virtues", especially during this season. The show has a ton of faults in terms of mythology writing, and the way they choose to answer questions (and more importantly, the questions they choose to answer in direct ways).

But I don't see what that has to do with people who actually do watch the show primarily for the characters. I'm not going to say I never watched Lost because of the mysteries. That's a lie. The mysteries, especially on a per season basis, are interesting and kept expanding. As they answered some questions and revealed more locations and characters on the island, they opened up more question marks and hooks.

Sure, it entertained. That's not the reason I stuck around for 6 seasons though. I stuck around because of the characters. That has always been the one main reason I kept watching Lost. If I didn't care about the characters as much as I did, I would have stopped watching when it seemed that answers weren't coming, and just wikipedia'd it later on when it was over. I'm not really a person who sticks around when I honestly don't enjoy something, just because there are unanswered questions or because I have followed it for a long time. I can drop anything I lose interest in at a heartbeat and never look back.

To me, the characters are Lost. They are the sole driving point that has not disappointed across the entire lifespan of the series. For the finale to focus exclusively on the characters and tie the final season up as a big send off to all the characters, giving them closure and inviting the audience to watch them accept the lives they led and let go.... was incredibly satisfying for me.

I'm sure everyone watches the show for different reasons and some will react to it differently, but to paint it such that everyone who says the characters are more important than the mystery are not being truthful is nonsense. I'm sorry you didn't believe me.
That's funny because I feel like my disappointment would have been even greater if I had only watched the show for the characters, considering that the final resolution was so simplistic. Everyone was reunited and basking in this perfect happiness, waiting to ascend into heaven / achieve enlightenment / whatever you want to call it. There was no depth to it.
 
Alucard said:
You're making yourself look like a hotheaded and defensive nimrod. People can like the show, and people can dislike it. That's what we're discussing. You're free to feel how you want.

Apparently not, since we're being told why we watch the show by some.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Because they see the irony of having a second chance with a daughter, knowing in this heaven that they were blessed once a gain with that daughter they never could have raised since they died in a submarine.

You sure? It seemed like the reunion allowed them to move on. I'm not so sure that they get to move on together and spend eternity together. I took it to mean that they can move on together, but there is no guarantee that they remain together once they take the next step.

Madrin said:
That's funny because I feel like my disappointment would have been even greater if I had only watched the show for the characters, considering that the final resolution was so simplistic. Everyone was reunited and basking in this perfect happiness, waiting to ascend into heaven / achieve enlightenment / whatever you want to call it. There was no depth to it.

Many of the characters' "progress" was born from regressions, as well. Take Sayid for example. Sayid went through great lengths to make up for his past in season one. In Season two he even chose to not kill Ana Lucia after she shot Shannon. Most of the rest of his time on the island was spent helping the group, and being a dependable rock.. until he gets off the island. Then suddenly he regresses and returns back to the island to now be tormented by the sins of his past. Only to then go on and become tainted.

He went from A ->B then B -> A then back to A -> B

Not real character development. Just contrived fluff.
 
layzie1989 said:
Wait, was jack's appendicitis scar the stab wound scar?!

FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUJ :lol :lol :lol :lol

wait...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
 
CabbageRed said:
I'm not implying that he lived forever, but it seems to me that the purgatory we saw was made for the survivors, not the general public. If Ben felt closer to some other people/moments in his life, then he should have 'moved on' in a different version of purgatory.

They made a pretty big deal out of everyone leaving at the same time, so for Ben to be left behind suggests that he was not really himself.

You are implying that there are those who are not themselves in this world. Everyone there was themselves. Jack's son straight up didn't exist.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Because they see the irony of having a second chance with a daughter, knowing in this heaven that they were blessed once a gain with that daughter they never could have raised since they died in a submarine.
But they didn't raise her, they didn't even birth her before moving on. Also, was that really their daughter and not just another imaginary construct like Jack's son? Or was the daughter's life so boring that the most important part of her life was when she was a baby?
 
Madrin said:
That's funny because I feel like my disappointment would have been even greater if I had only watched the show for the characters, considering that the final resolution was so simplistic. Everyone was reunited and basking in this perfect happiness, waiting to ascend into heaven / achieve enlightenment / whatever you want to call it. There was no depth to it.
In fact, it could have been the ending to any show and completely trivialized the island aspect of Lost.

Battlestar Galactica -
who cares if anyone survived? Just show a scene of the entire cast after they die leading a happy imaginary life on earth together.
 
GDJustin said:
I just watched it. I liked it quite a bit. I'll keep my impressions brief-ish since I'm not the world's biggest LOST fanatic and probably don't have anything to say that others haven't said.

- All the "flashes" in the flash-sideways were really emotional. They are also a fairly organic and "natural" way to give the finale a true finale feeling, by showing clips from all the other seasons. Well done.

- I think the explanation for the Alt-universe is good... it makes sense and brings closure, in a LOST sorta way. But it DOES have the effect of giving some characters a truly tragic character arc. Locke specifically. [b[These characters (Locke, Jin, Sun, Sayeed) died with business unresolved and character arcs incomplete, but we (the audience) still had them in the flash-sideways, so we could take solace in that. But no, it turns out that end really WAS the end, for all those characters. Poor Locke :([/b]

- So, we got answers about the flash-sideways, but no answers about the island :/ I'm OK with the "light" - better to leave that ambiguous rather than over-explain it. But everything with Desmond remaining unresolved bugs me. What did he THINK he was going to do? And why did Jack think that it was going to kill Flocke? Desmond's entire "on the island" story in Season 6 is a little more undercooked than I would like.

- Am I mistaken or is Charlie not at the Church at the end?

- I think the biggest failing of Season 6, and maybe the biggest failing of ALL of Lost, is that the stakes are never properly set. So MiB can't leave the island. Why? Because he's evil? What will happen if he does? What happens if the light goes out? I'm fine with ambiguity, but when you introduce ambiguity with your villains and what is at stake... then there is no drama.

Without knowing what happens if Flocke escapes, it isn't dramatic seeing him try, and seeing the candidates try to stop him.


- Summing up: Good flash-sideways conclusion, so-so island conclusion (over the course of the whole season), mostly pleased with what was explained and what wasn't, with a few exceptions.

How long until the official GAF re-watch? :)
This, a hundred times this.

The vague statements about the consequences of not stopping MiB (everything will be gone -- what, the world? The universe? Just the island?), the vulnerability and mortality of MiB after the light is extinguished (THAT is the evil we have to be worried about unleashing upon the world?), and the fact that you can simply plug the cork back in after its been pulled out...all these weaknesses rob the final island sequences of any suspense. Combine that with a final ten minutes that effectively says that none of it matters because you'll just see everyone when you die anyway, and I was left with a pretty empty feeling when it was all over.

But hey, at least I have characters at the end, right? The ones mired in their baseline personas throughout the series and who, with a couple of exceptions, did not demonstrate noticeable changes or growth because the creators insisted on using the flashbacks to hammer home the same single note for each character (Kate runs, Hurley is a nice guy, Sayid is the conflicted torturer, Jack needs to fix things, etc...)?

I really enjoyed the show and watched every single episode since 2004. And I will always take away that feeling of mystery and discovery from the early seasons. But this ending, while sweet and emotional at times (especially Sawyer and Juliet above all), didn't work.
 
Veidt said:
wait...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Really? I don't see how they could have made this any more clear. They showed his neck bleeding as he was getting stabbed there on the island, and then there was like a five minute thing of him marveling at the blood, and I believe someone even pointed it out.
 
Madrin said:
That's funny because I feel like my disappointment would have been even greater if I had only watched the show for the characters, considering that the final resolution was so simplistic. Everyone was reunited and basking in this perfect happiness, waiting to ascend into heaven / achieve enlightenment / whatever you want to call it. There was no depth to it.

Sounds like you're still looking for answers and "resolution" even when you try to imagine yourself watching the show for the characters. Speaking personally, when I say I watch the show for the characters, it is not about watching for a resolution or a complex answer to anything. It is about following the characters on a journey because they're interesting people and I want to see what they do next in the context of the show. The ending is extremely satisfying because it is NOT simplistic.

It basically says that there are no easy endings in life, and everyone's journey in life is different. Some are cut short, some have more meaningful and longer existences. Some people die accomplishing what they set out to do, some die because of the actions of others. But in the end, there is hope that everyone can find themselves in a better place after life's journey, and there they can find what was out of their grasp in life itself.

It doesn't make living any less meaningful, or the experiences gained in life any less useful. Everything that happens is a learning process in a person's development, it is all progress, and it only ends once.
 
Jak140 said:
But they didn't raise her, they didn't even birth her before moving on. Also, was that really their daughter and not just another imaginary construct like Jack's son? Or was the daughter's life so boring that the most important part of her life was when she was a baby?

I meant it in a deep eternal reincarnation karmic/enlightenment kind of way.
 
thetrin said:
You are implying that there are those who are not themselves in this world. Everyone there was themselves. Jack's son straight up didn't exist.

What? They created their purgatory with their strong memories of their time together. All the other people would have been fake.
 
thetrin said:
You are implying that there are those who are not themselves in this world. Everyone there was themselves. Jack's son straight up didn't exist.

I don't really think this is true either. Aaron is a baby, so clearly he represents Claire's memory of her childbirth being the most important event in her life. The Aaron in the church most likely does not represent the real Aaron, who grew up and had his own life and never saw the island again. He would have his own circle of friends who were most important to him, and his own afterlife.
 
Korey said:
Really? I don't see how they could have made this any more clear. They showed his neck bleeding as he was getting stabbed there on the island, and then there was like a five minute thing of him marveling at the blood, and I believe someone even pointed it out.
Never noticed any of that really. Knew about the neck scar, but the other one. whoa
 
CartridgeBlower said:
Yet people here have made the argument that he can appear to you 'as a vision,' such as when Walt was shown to Shannon, or when Kate saw her horse, or Eko saw his brother, etc. So why didn't he essentially keep doing that? Kind of the same thing as taking their form, isn't it? Instead he decided to expose himself, when in actuality he never really had to.

Again, even Sawyer shook his head at the absurdity of Smokey's long con in the finale.

That said, I'm okay with all the inconsistencies the mysteries left in their wake because of the greatness of the finale, but to act like they don't exist is stubborn and slightly silly.

Eko's brother was dead. =P
 
Insertia said:
Disappointing.

I didn't watch a single episode of season 6 (minus the finale) because I was busy with school&work and when I tried to watch it was kind of 'meh.

But this ending was just...boring for all the greatness and entertainment Lost has brought to TV. When did Lost become a standard show about relationship interactions? From the way it was shot it looked like I was watching Greys Anatomy or something.

I liked Lost the most when it was X-Files on a cool mysterious island with odd people, settings, and events happening. And instead of Scully and Mulder, we had a huge cast of interesting characters.
This ending Lost what made the show exciting.

LOST

*pulls out revolver*
 
Byakuya769 said:
Time has no meaning in la x. Then is now, now is then.


Ok thanks.

Still I don't feel like it ended ok. You could probably strip all the sideways thing from all season 6 and you will end with the same series. I can see what they did and well, not bad but I expected a different thing.


And also, I was waiting for something huge to happen at the end on the island.

Fucking Jack coming back as the smoke monster with Hugo being Jacob-2 and Ben being Richard. When we see Jack at the same spot as Jacob's brother after his transformation, I was waiting for this:

*Hugo is sitting there looking at a ship that is coming to the island

*Jack appears and sits down.

Jack: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
Hugo: Yes.
Jack: One of these days, sooner or later... I'm going to find a loophole, my friend.
Hugo: Well, when you do, I'll be right here.


LOST

:lol :lol :lol


Also, why did Hugo asked Ben to be his second in command? I know he didn't have a real choice but Ben? Liar, killer, moral ambiguous. I don't know if someone as Huge should have a person like that helping him.
 
itxaka said:
Jack: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
Hugo: Yes.
Jack: One of these days, sooner or later... I'm going to find a loophole, my friend.
Hugo: Well, when you do, I'll be right here, dude.

Made better.

Also, why did Hugo asked Ben to be his second in command? I know he didn't have a real choice but Ben? Liar, killer, moral ambiguous. I don't know if someone as Huge should have a person like that helping him.

I guess that Hugo sees the best in people and he could see the decent man at Ben's core, just like the version of Ben we saw in the X timeline. Also, Ben had a shitload of XP so he was definitely the man for the job.

intentional or not, it's prefect. when i watch it in a re-watch it'll be great. intimidating face, the sound.

Haha, I noticed that awhile back when rewatching Walkabout. It's a cute little easter egg.
 
itxaka said:
Also, why did Hugo asked Ben to be his second in command? I know he didn't have a real choice but Ben? Liar, killer, moral ambiguous. I don't know if someone as Huge should have a person like that helping him.

That's why it should be Hurley and not you. Because Hurley is a nice guy, and he believes in second chances. He also isn't a douchebag who thinks he knows better than everyone else, since he actually listens to Ben's suggestions too. :)
 
itxaka said:
Ok thanks.

Still I don't feel like it ended ok. You could probably strip all the sideways thing from all season 6 and you will end with the same series. I can see what they did and well, not bad but I expected a different thing.


And also, I was waiting for something huge to happen at the end on the island.

Fucking Jack coming back as the smoke monster with Hugo being Jacob-2 and Ben being Richard. When we see Jack at the same spot as Jacob's brother after his transformation, I was waiting for this:

*Hugo is sitting there looking at a ship that is coming to the island

*Jack appears and sits down.

Jack: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
Hugo: Yes.
Jack: One of these days, sooner or later... I'm going to find a loophole, my friend.
Hugo: Well, when you do, I'll be right here.


LOST

:lol :lol :lol


Also, why did Hugo asked Ben to be his second in command? I know he didn't have a real choice but Ben? Liar, killer, moral ambiguous. I don't know if someone as Huge should have a person like that helping him.

I think you're fishing in an empty lake here, bud.
 
itxaka said:
Also, why did Hugo asked Ben to be his second in command? I know he didn't have a real choice but Ben? Liar, killer, moral ambiguous. I don't know if someone as Huge should have a person like that helping him.

I think that's the great thing about Hurley: he can see right through Ben, and consequently, Ben the liar and Ben the manipulator and Ben the killer have no real effect on Hurley.
 
I was always just watching LOST for the characters and the plot, I suppose. That's why I tend to watch most of everything else. I'm still satisfied by the end but that's because I just gave up on any good answers throughout this season, after the the onslaught of stupid explanations.
 
Korey said:
In fact, it could have been the ending to any show and completely trivialized the island aspect of Lost.
Yes. Exactly. The thing that is so maddening about it is that it is so completely divorced from the story of the previous 5 seasons and even the island half of season 6. You can't just suddenly introduce the purgatory thing out of nowhere in the final act without it feeling like it's tacked on to give resolution to all the character arcs you prematurely killed. At least if the sideways had some kind of effect on the main timeline or if the flashbacks had been purgatory since the beginning, it might have felt earned, but the way they executed it, it feels like some kind of unwieldy Indiana Jones serial with some religious claptrap duct taped to the end.

And I actually really liked it as an send off for the characters, and thought it was an awesome 2 and a half hours of television, but it felt like they cheated to get it. As character resolution it was great, but as an ending to the plot being told for the last 6 years it kind of sucked.
 
Jak140 said:
As character resolution it was great, but as an ending to the plot being told for the last 6 years it kind of sucked.

Personally, I don't see the sideways/purgatory as the ending though. I see it as just an epilogue, a coda for all the characters, rather than the conclusion of the story.

The ending for LOST happens in the present: Hurley and Ben take over the island, everyone leaves on the Ajira plane, and Jack watches it fly overhead as he dies. That's the ending to the story.

After all, the final shot of the series isn't everyone in the church moving on to the afterlife -- it's Jack, closing his eyes.
 
Snuggler said:
Made better.

Indeed :lol

I guess that Hugo sees the best in people and he could see the decent man at Ben's core, just like the version of Ben we saw in the X timeline. Also, Ben had a shitload of XP so he was definitely the man for the job.

That's why it should be Hurley and not you. Because Hurley is a nice guy, and he believes in second chances. He also isn't a douchebag who thinks he knows better than everyone else, since he actually listens to Ben's suggestions too. :)

I guess he is the right one to do the job as he let her "daughter" die to save the island but...well yes, you are right about it.

And I will do an awesome Job being the protector. I will throw people to the ligth to have an army of smoke monsters, and on saturday nigths they would figth in a ring in double teams. Smoke monster + polar bear teams. Awesome. :D


I think you're fishing in an empty lake here, bud.

Me not understand you, friend.
 
Blader5489 said:
Personally, I don't see the sideways/purgatory as an ending though. I see it as just an epilogue, a coda for all the characters, rather than the conclusion of the story.

The ending for LOST happens in the present: Hurley and Ben take over the island, everyone leaves on the Ajira plane, and Jack watches it fly overhead as he dies. That's the ending to the story.

After all, the final shot of the series isn't everyone in the church moving on to the afterlife -- it's Jack, closing his eyes.
Yeah, thats how I described the sideways when I was talking about the show with my father earlier today. It is essentially a coda.
 
Blader5489 said:
Personally, I don't see the sideways/purgatory as an ending though. I see it as just an epilogue, a coda for all the characters, rather than the conclusion of the story.

The ending for LOST happens in the present: Hurley and Ben take over the island, everyone leaves on the Ajira plane, and Jack watches it fly overhead as he dies. That's the ending to the story.

After all, the final shot of the series isn't everyone in the church moving on to the afterlife -- it's Jack, closing his eyes.

I dunno. It just feels out of place and random to me, like it's part of a completely unrelated story staring the same characters.
 
duckroll said:
It basically says that there are no easy endings in life, and everyone's journey in life is different. Some are cut short, some have more meaningful and longer existences. Some people die accomplishing what they set out to do, some die because of the actions of others.
I agree, except that I think this is the take-away message from the journey the characters have traveled over the course of the entire show, rather than just the ending.

But in the end, there is hope that everyone can find themselves in a better place after life's journey, and there they can find what was out of their grasp in life itself.
See, that right there is the problem for me. You can phrase it as eloquently as you want, but I read that as "and they live happily ever after." After all that these characters have been through, after all the strides they have made in coming to grips with reality and their place in the world, after all the personal growth that we have witnessed in these characters, all we get is a sappy reunion?

For a show that portrays such three-dimensional characters, it feels like an insult to end on such a one-dimensional note of joy. I simply feel like the ending was at odds with the caliber of character development we are accustomed to seeing.
 
Have to feel sorry for the writers.

"None of the stuff we've done the past five seasons holds together in any sort of logical fashion. Just ignore that and we'll take up half of every episode with that purgatory fanfic somebody sent in. The viewers won't care about what it was all about as long as we have lots of couples reunions and the good guys go to heaven while the evil ones end up teaching high school kids for eternity---sounds like hell to me."

I like Lost but pretending like there was a cohesive story arc past the first season is just that, pretending.

Who cares about Jacob's origin story? Give us the real origin story, the story of the first protector. While you're at it, perhaps explain how the light is connected with the rest of the earth other than, "every man has a little light inside him and every man wants more." Heck, they could have been describing Bud Lite with that line.

If protecting the light from man was so all fired important somebody really dropped the ball inviting the Dharma Initiative to drill holes and build bases all over the place.

And the cork? the cork was a classic. It is the only cork in the history of the world where the liquid flows AFTER you put the cork in instead of when you take it out. There was a stream, flowing into the cave, over a waterfall and into the central pool. Removing a plug from the bottom of the pool stops the creek and the waterfall? Imagine if bathtubs started working like that. Desmond would have to visit all of our houses just to keep us from flooding.

...and the plane at the end. All this time they've been fighting and struggling to get on that plane and when they do, nothing happens. We go right from takeoff to the afterlife, buzzing Jack's death scene in the process.

Lol, I remember back during the first or second season where the producers said there was no magic, no mysticism, that everything could and would be explained. We still don't know what the smoke monster really was. We do know you might become one if you go into the pool at the bottom of the light cave, well, if you're not Desmond who is seemingly immune to electromagnetism, or Jack because well, because we couldn't very well have a happy ending in the church of heaven if Jack turned into a smoke monster too.

Richard's big ending scene, talk about an anti-climax. "Oh, I've got a grey hair. Now I really do want to live forever." Gee, I guess that is why he wasn't in the church, he is still alive.
 
I think the ending was perfect, it was 'happily ever after' in a sense but it was also a bit more than that because it said that the interactions we've watched and the bonds they've formed were the most important things that happened in their lives, so even though Sawyer & Kate left the island they never got close to getting over who they lost there, Hurley never got over Libby, etc etc

It was the ultimate conclusion in that sense.



The only really disappointing thing to me was Desmond in the real world, I guess he was the failsafe Jacob wanted him to be because he took away Smokies powers, and i thought actually 'getting into the sideways world' was a really brilliant motivation but they didn't really examine it very well, would have been nice to see Desmond have a conversation with Jacob and set up that maybe everything wouldn't go as he hoped.

They made up for that with how superb Desmond was in the sideways world though, all his morally questionable actions make sense now, he knew he couldn't hurt anyone because they were already dead.


I think this is my favourite TV finale ever, it just sits really happily in my mind.
 
TheLastFantasy said:
So did we ever get an explanation on why Richard said to Sun in Season 5: "I watched them all die" in reference to Jack and everyone else?

Is it because of the nuclear blast or the "incident" so he thought that they died? Even if it was, he saw them again after they crashed on the island in oceanic 815.

Can someone please help me out here?

i know this was posted awhile ago but let me see if i can explain..

As far as Richard knows they died in the 70s Incident. Yes he knows they crash on the Island in the 2000s but he also knows that they travel back in time and then are at the center of a nuclear detonation. At the point when Sun asked him about their fate Richard had not known about their eventual return to their rightful place in time.
 
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