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[cory]

I'm playing the first Mario Galaxy, but I can't help but think that each game is a way for him to remember his life, but he doesn't, so things just get crazier to trigger his memories. He became partially self aware at the end of the first Galaxy game, but it wasn't enough for him to remember everything. So the cycle will continue until Mario is ready to move on.

Actually, I'm starting to think this about everything now. A television show has affected my beliefs about the afterlife (which were already similar to Lost's, it's kind of vague but you get to have your favorite parts of your life with you[and it's not tied to any particular religion]). I could go on for hours about how amazing the episode was and how it transcended what I wanted it to be going into it to be something far more powerful than an episode of television should be. The ending was fantastic as a message and for ending the show. How the people in your life are your life. Though we all want to leave our mark, if we have no one (or no thing) to live for, no one to even wait for, it doesn't really matter. It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. Live together, die alone, find each other again. I've never been this spiritual in my life, but it's not really spiritual, it's not even something that exists. It's a failsafe for our imaginations so that even if there's nothing after we die, we will still have something. It's hard to think about and put into words, because it's all unknowable.

Would the world have ended if Jack hadn't put the cork back in? We don't know. It may very well just have been an island with strange properties stemming from pockets of electromagnetism, and a lot of mysteries just are, and no one that has ever met the main characters knows. The series may not have hit the right notes along the way, but in my opinion we had a complete story for Jack and company's time on the island. And that's all we could have hoped for.
(This was originally supposed to be 140 characters, :lol)

 

[Lafiel]

Personally, I don't see the sideways/purgatory as an ending though. I see it as just an epilogue, a coda for all the characters, rather than the conclusion of the story.

The ending for LOST happens in the present: Hurley and Ben take over the island, everyone leaves on the Ajira plane, and Jack watches it fly overhead as he dies. That's the ending to the story.

After all, the final shot of the series isn't everyone in the church moving on to the afterlife -- it's Jack, closing his eyes.

You could remove the side-ways completely. And it would have no bearing on the events that happened on-island this season. You'd miss out on the excellent character send-offs though.

As i expected in the beginning, the sideway reveal was underwhelming, for the amount of time they spent on them throughout this season.>_<

 

[ZeoVGM]

I didn't find it underwhelming at all.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Enough arguing. Let's all just chill and enjoy some Jawyer videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znrRWyLjVDw

 

[Salsa]

another one up there with the most emotional moments in the episode

talk about sad and happy at the same time

 

[Purkake4]

Claire and Aaron never got on the helicopter either...

 

[cory]

I just realized, the show aired entirely while I was a teenager; it premiered when I was 13 and ended when I was 19.

 

[KtSlime]

I think the ending was perfect, it was 'happily ever after' in a sense but it was also a bit more than that because it said that the interactions we've watched and the bonds they've formed were the most important things that happened in their lives, so even though Sawyer & Kate left the island they never got close to getting over who they lost there, Hurley never got over Libby, etc etc

It was the ultimate conclusion in that sense.



The only really disappointing thing to me was Desmond in the real world, I guess he was the failsafe Jacob wanted him to be because he took away Smokies powers, and i thought actually 'getting into the sideways world' was a really brilliant motivation but they didn't really examine it very well, would have been nice to see Desmond have a conversation with Jacob and set up that maybe everything wouldn't go as he hoped.

They made up for that with how superb Desmond was in the sideways world though, all his morally questionable actions make sense now, he knew he couldn't hurt anyone because they were already dead.


I think this is my favourite TV finale ever, it just sits really happily in my mind.

The funny thing is they DID all make it into the 'sideways world', just not how they thought it would be done. They all ended up there by following their destiny which ultimately like everyone ends in death, but for them it ends in the enlightenment of their counterparts in the sideways world, or heaven or nirvana or whatever you want to call it.

 

[ZeoVGM]

another one up there with the most emotional moments in the episode

talk about sad and happy at the same time

Just think about when Hurley, Ben, and Desmond found Jack's body.

 

[Salsa]

Just think about when Hurley, Ben, and Desmond found Jack's body.

dude

 

[Tim the Wiz]

I just realized, the show aired entirely while I was a teenager; it premiered when I was 13 and ended when I was 19.

Wow, I haven't thought about it that way, but that's true for me as well.

 

[CartridgeBlower]

Just think about when Hurley, Ben, and Desmond found Jack's body.

That definitely adds some extra weight to it when you think about it. Sad indeed. Poor Hurley.

 

[Discotheque]

Can anybody tell me the name of the song that played when Ben apologized to Locke? It tends to play with many Ben scenes.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Good god you guys are all kids...

 

[Veidt]

Good god you guys are all kids...

Show started when I was 15 ended now that I'm 20.

beat that!

 

[gibbers82]

were widmores people still on the other island when desmond pulled the plug and it started collapsing, if so then i wonder what happened to them

 

[Korey]

Have to feel sorry for the writers.

"None of the stuff we've done the past five seasons holds together in any sort of logical fashion. Just ignore that and we'll take up half of every episode with that purgatory fanfic somebody sent in. The viewers won't care about what it was all about as long as we have lots of couples reunions and the good guys go to heaven while the evil ones end up teaching high school kids for eternity---sounds like hell to me."

I like Lost but pretending like there was a cohesive story arc past the first season is just that, pretending.

Who cares about Jacob's origin story? Give us the real origin story, the story of the first protector. While you're at it, perhaps explain how the light is connected with the rest of the earth other than, "every man has a little light inside him and every man wants more." Heck, they could have been describing Bud Lite with that line.

If protecting the light from man was so all fired important somebody really dropped the ball inviting the Dharma Initiative to drill holes and build bases all over the place.

And the cork? the cork was a classic. It is the only cork in the history of the world where the liquid flows AFTER you put the cork in instead of when you take it out. There was a stream, flowing into the cave, over a waterfall and into the central pool. Removing a plug from the bottom of the pool stops the creek and the waterfall? Imagine if bathtubs started working like that. Desmond would have to visit all of our houses just to keep us from flooding.

...and the plane at the end. All this time they've been fighting and struggling to get on that plane and when they do, nothing happens. We go right from takeoff to the afterlife, buzzing Jack's death scene in the process.

Lol, I remember back during the first or second season where the producers said there was no magic, no mysticism, that everything could and would be explained. We still don't know what the smoke monster really was. We do know you might become one if you go into the pool at the bottom of the light cave, well, if you're not Desmond who is seemingly immune to electromagnetism, or Jack because well, because we couldn't very well have a happy ending in the church of heaven if Jack turned into a smoke monster too.

Richard's big ending scene, talk about an anti-climax. "Oh, I've got a grey hair. Now I really do want to live forever." Gee, I guess that is why he wasn't in the church, he is still alive.

Kinda like an uncorked jug that's been turned upside down, huh? Did I just blow your mind? Don't worry, I hated the finale too.

 

[Mohonky]

Just think about when Hurley, Ben, and Desmond found Jack's body.

I had my bet on the dog eating him after he died.

 

[Salsa]

Show started when I was 15 ended now that I'm 20.

beat that!

same

hi five!

 

[Discotheque]

I had my bet on the dog eating him after he died.

Or maybe Bernard and Rose ate the body.

 

[Salsa]

Or maybe Bernard and Rose ate the body.

 

[itxaka]

were widmores people still on the other island when desmond pulled the plug and it started collapsing, if so then i wonder what happened to them

Weren't all of them killed by Smokie?

Also, what the hell happened with the other survivors of oceanic 815? I mean, when they left the island there was a lot of people still in there, but then when they came back nobody except the main characters and Rose+husband were there.

Also, how came Claire got separated from all of them? Was it shown?

 

[Discotheque]

Last time we heard or saw Claire was when she walked into a cabin and saw Aslan.

 

[Dead]

Weren't all of them killed by Smokie?

Also, what the hell happened with the other survivors of oceanic 815? I mean, when they left the island there was a lot of people still in there, but then when they came back nobody except the main characters and Rose+husband were there.

Also, how came Claire got separated from all of them? Was it shown?

All of the reminaing 815 survivors died during the Time flashes

the Man in Black took Claire away under the guise of Christian

 

[Silent Death]

Ok can someone explain to me what Desmonds purpose was in th end? He was supposed to be the only one able to destroy smokie. Why couldn't Jacob jump down the hole and remove the stone then kill smokie? How did Weidmore know about the the stone?

 

[Jswanko]

Also, what the hell happened with the other survivors of oceanic 815? I mean, when they left the island there was a lot of people still in there, but then when they came back nobody except the main characters and Rose+husband were there.

Weren't they all killed by the fire balls and stuff (end of last season I want to say)?

btw what the fuck was that?

 

[Salsa]

Ok can someone explain to me what Desmonds purpose was in th end? He was supposed to be the only one able to destroy smokie. Why couldn't Jacob jump down the hole and remove the stone then kill smokie?

Well, as Widmore`s machine proved Desmond was the only one able to survive the pool of electromagnetism/magic light of the island, so he had to do it.

 

[Discotheque]

But Jack was taking a bath in that shit and still managed to have a rather nice death outside.

 

[itxaka]

All of the reminaing 815 survivors died during the Time flashes

was that shown? I have to watch it again then because I can't remember.

the Man in Black took Claire away under the guise of Christian

I thougth so, but my question was more related and how she was alone with no oceanic survivors.

 

[StuBurns]

GAF, now Lost is over, anyone got a show for me to move on to? Something vaguely similar? What has GAF been watching of late?

 

[cory]

But Jack was taking a bath in that shit and still managed to have a rather nice death outside.

He was a (former)Protector of the Island at that point.

 

[Discotheque]

Watch more serialized programs. Twin Peaks and BSG.

And uhh...wait for Game of Thrones. Because it's going to be epic.

He was a (former)Protector of the Island at that point.

But that just goes back to the guy's question as to why Desmond was so important? Jacob could have unplugged the cork, shanked MIB and then plugged the cork again. Voila.

Buuuut....I guess you need 2 people. Because it seemed to take almost all the energy out of Desmond.

 

[Silent Death]

Well, as Widmore`s machine proved Desmond was the only one able to survive the pool of electromagnetism/magic light of the island, so he had to do it.

Well, as Widmore`s machine proved Desmond was the only one able to survive the pool of electromagnetism/magic light of the island, so he had to do it


Yeah but apparently he was incorrect as Jack jumped down and put the stone back in place

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Or maybe Bernard and Rose ate the body.

Or Hurley?

I miss you Jack but your so Tasty.

 

[Veidt]

GAF, now Lost is over, anyone got a show for me to move on to? Something vaguely similar? What has GAF been watching of late?

Nothing can be the new Lost. But Fringe is something that will at least give you some sort of peace of mind.

 

[KtSlime]

Ok can someone explain to me what Desmonds purpose was in th end? He was supposed to be the only one able to destroy smokie. Why couldn't Jacob jump down the hole and remove the stone then kill smokie? How did Weidmore know about the the stone?

That wasn't Jacob's job, or role, Jacob's role was to find Jack, Desmond's role was to take the cork out, Jack's to put it back in and die. That's the point he gains karmic fulfillment, that's the point he gains enlightenment, that's when he 'leaves' that cycle.

 

[Salsa]

Well, as Widmore`s machine proved Desmond was the only one able to survive the pool of electromagnetism/magic light of the island, so he had to do it


Yeah but apparently he was incorrect as Jack jumped down and put the stone back in place

Jack has superpowers.


Well he died, his most obvious reason was of course the wound, but we`ll never know for sure.


^^ and yeah, what ivedoneyourmom said.

We got this more faith-spiritual ending than the scientific one some of us thought we would get. We cant really be looking for answers acting like the ending made complete-realistic sense, cant we ? Ill take it as it is, i liked it even though it wasnt what i was expecting/hoping.

 

[cory]

Widmore wasn't counting on Jackob, or at least wasn't as sure about what Jacob's plans were as he was about Desmond.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Jack's to put it back in and die.

If Jack didnt get stabbed would he have lived after going through the light?

 

[KtSlime]

If Jack didnt get stabbed would he have lived after going through the light?

Now that's where I think it gets interesting; I think he realized that he should follow the path blindly, he always had the wound when he went through the light, putting the cork in was his test, if he never put it in, the scales would not have balanced out enough for him to have gained enlightenment.

In other words: this path was always the intention, and by extension the intention of the writers (at least from this season).

He gained enlightenment on the island by letting go of his distrust of fate and destiny.

 

[itxaka]

He was a (former)Protector of the Island at that point.

That is why he didn't get changed into the smoke monster?

 

[Plywood]

Okay something I need clarification on: How is it that when Juliet last words "it worked" to Sawyer on the island, it was that she was actually referring to the vending machine and the conversation that she and Sawyer had by it in the flash-sideways? Wouldn't Sawyer had to have been dead as well, for her to have been referring to it? As she would have to be talking with Sawyer in the purgatory, somehow simultaneously? Or is this just something really abstract I can't seem to wrap my head around?

 

[StuBurns]

Okay something I need clarification on: How is it that when Juliet last words "it worked" to Sawyer on the island, it was that she was actually referring to the vending machine and the conversation that she and Sawyer had by it in the flash-sideways? Wouldn't Sawyer had to have been dead as well, for her to have been referring to it? As she would have be talking with Sawyer in the purgatory, somehow simultaneously? Or is this just something really abstract I can't seem to wrap my head around?

Was it her last words? Or did Miles say it was her last thought? If she said it, I'm not sure, if he said it, I'm guessing she thought the bomb worked because she 'flashed' to the X world, giving the initial impression it worked.

 

[KtSlime]

Okay something I need clarification on: How is it that when Juliet last words "it worked" to Sawyer on the island, it was that she was actually referring to the vending machine and the conversation that she and Sawyer had by it in the flash-sideways? Wouldn't Sawyer had to have been dead as well, for her to have been referring to it? As she would have to be talking with Sawyer in the purgatory, somehow simultaneously? Or is this just something really abstract I can't seem to wrap my head around?

It's between time and space and reality, as she dies she is reliving that moment.

 

[Plywood]

@Stuburns, Sorry it was her last thought. According to Miles.

It's between time and space and reality, as she dies she is reliving that moment.

So she was reliving a moment that did not, but does exist?

 

[Dead]

Okay something I need clarification on: How is it that when Juliet last words "it worked" to Sawyer on the island, it was that she was actually referring to the vending machine and the conversation that she and Sawyer had by it in the flash-sideways? Wouldn't Sawyer had to have been dead as well, for her to have been referring to it? As she would have to be talking with Sawyer in the purgatory, somehow simultaneously? Or is this just something really abstract I can't seem to wrap my head around?

There is no proper sense of time within the Sideways. Its happening when Juliette dies while its happening when Jack dies later, and its happening when Kate dies, presumably many years later.

 

[Plywood]

It's between time and space and reality, as she dies she is reliving that moment.

I've reread this post a couple times and its making sense a bit more each time.

There is no proper sense of time within the Sideways. Its happening when Juliette dies while its happening when Jack dies later, and its happening when Kate dies, presumably many years later.

Okay, okay, I think I finally get it now.

 

[StuBurns]

There is no proper sense of time within the Sideways. Its happening when Juliette dies while its happening when Jack dies later, and its happening when Kate dies, presumably many years later.

Although the show implies it in terms of the editing, Jack does not die when he 'wakes' in purgatory. He was unaware for possibly thousands of years. Hurley and Ben probably died last, and it was at least after their death that everyone moved on.

OR

None of those people expect Jack experienced that, at that time. Everyone else was part of his mental construction.

 

[Jswanko]

wait so like what were the numbers

 

[Spotless Mind]

That was the lamest, cheesiest shit i have ever seen. The slow motion hugging montage with the endless stream of phony smiles and Giacchino's overly sentimental music was HILARIOUS. I can't believe anyone could have an emotional reaction when they are so blatantly trying to tearjerk you. Darlton might as well have walked on screen and held huge signs saying "cry here". I wasn't surprised in the least to see that they didn't have the guts to end the show without some tacked-on sugar coated ending. Jesus, that was wretched.