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[legend166]

Not read the whole thread so apologies if this theory has cropped up before, but I think I know what the smoke monster is. I'm guessing its a manifestation of the island's power meant for protecting the island.


We've already had some strong hints that the smoke monster has been around before the MIB falls into the cave. Some of the Egyptian stuff we have seen indicate they worshiped the smoke monster in some way. Also, in Across the Sea there are several indications that the mother is in fact the smoke monster.

1. She kills a whole load of people
2. She fills up a massive hole in the ground with dirt in a short space of time.
3. She warns Jacob not to go into the light because it would be 'a fate worse than death'
4. She thanks the MIB when he kills her, implying she was suffering said 'fate worse than death'

I think this indicates pretty strongly that whoever becomes 'protector' of the island is supposed to enter the light and become the smoke monster and gain its abilities in order to better protect the island. It is essentially a weapon left behind by the whoever created the island, so its appearance and all the weird noises it makes are a result of intelligent (technologically advanced?) design rather than anything random. The ritual that Jacob goes through is only one part of the puzzle. Unfortunately his mother warns him away from going into the light, probably because she herself regrets doing so. The skeletons in the cave also indicate others have entered the light and are probably the remains of previous protectors who shed their physical bodies in order to become the smoke monster and protect the island.

However in this instance Jacob chucks the MIB down the cave instead of going down himself which results in the MIB gaining the island's 'weapon' instead of Jacob. Fortunately Jacob still has his powers over the island and the ability to set rules, so he puts some rules in place that prevent the MIB from ever being able to leave the island and unleash it's power upon the human race, which he would probably do since he has already told Jacob that he finds humans to be 'bad'. Jacob also acknowledges that the MIB may one day find a loophole in the rules and be able to leave the island, so he brings people to the island in the hope that he can change the MIB's opinion of the human race and if, one day, god forbid, the MIB does escape, he will be less inclined to decimate us. The MIB, in turn, tries to prove to Jacob that all human beings are bad, in the hope that one day Jacob will agree and stop giving a shit about humans and let the MIB leave the island to do whatever he wants.

I find it interesting that all the conflict in the show boils down to the upbringing of Jacob and the MIB. If the islands protector was a regular person with some life experience and hadn't been raised in seclusion with weird views of the rest of the species none of this conflict would have happened. Which is why I believe Hurley will make a good protector

That's a pretty good theory.

 

[Jocchan]

^^^ Nice theory above.

I don't think the general consensus was he was talking about the smoke monster. There was a theory that Smokey smashing the bottle to allow the wine to release was a metaphor for him breaking the island to escape, but that never really made sense because the cork is the island, breaking the bottle doesn't imply breaking the island.

The cork is the plug, the bottle is earth, the wine is 'hell'.

He should have bitten the cork and spit it in chunks.

 

[Solo]

Devin Faraci has terrible taste in everything, though. And he decides whether he likes or dislikes something long before he watches it.

Correct. CHUD is only one rung up the ladder from AICN. No human being should waste their time with either site.

 

[LCfiner]

Good god you guys are all kids...

ha ha, I know. I forget how young most of gaf really is.

show started when I was 25, now I'm 31.

I think it would have been a totally different experience for me if i started watching this at 13. :lol

 

[j-wood]

I loved the finale. But there is only one thing I really wish they would have explored more.

Jacob's Ashes.

Here is why it bugs me.

In the earlier seasons, we see a cabin, with what we presume to be now the MIB inside, surrounded by ash. When the Losties found it, the ash was clearly still in a complete circle, as they always made sure to step over it.

Then in Season 5, Illana comes and goes to the cabin, and sees the ash is broken, and alludes to the fact that smokey is now out and roaming.

But smokey has been out and roaming since season 1.

I think that the ash is actually part of Jacob, and that's why when he put it in the fire, after the fire went out, he was gone forever. So it kinda makes sense that MIB in smokey form couldn't go near those ashes so he couldn't hurt Jacob per their mothers rules.

But when did the ash get broken?

 

[Sir Hamish]

But when did the ash get broken?

I think the ash was broken when Hurley found the cabin. He went up to the window and got a fright and sorta blundered away, I'm guessing he accidentaly disrupted the ash.

 

[Solo]

So after a day and a half now, I think Ive concluded that the most personally satisfying scene of The End was the Ben/Locke scene. Heres two guys who were at eachother's throats for 2.5 seasons, Ben finally kills John of out venomous rage and jealousy, and what happens when they meet again? John forgives him, then proceeds to rise out of his chair again LIKE A BOSS. That might be Locke's crowning moment right there.

 

[Jocchan]

I loved the finale. But there is only one thing I really wish they would have explored more.

Jacob's Ashes.

Here is why it bugs me.

In the earlier seasons, we see a cabin, with what we presume to be now the MIB inside, surrounded by ash. When the Losties found it, the ash was clearly still in a complete circle, as they always made sure to step over it.

Then in Season 5, Illana comes and goes to the cabin, and sees the ash is broken, and alludes to the fact that smokey is now out and roaming.

But smokey has been out and roaming since season 1.

I think that the ash is actually part of Jacob, and that's why when he put it in the fire, after the fire went out, he was gone forever. So it kinda makes sense that MIB in smokey form couldn't go near those ashes so he couldn't hurt Jacob per their mothers rules.

But when did the ash get broken?

The cabin, and maybe some quick closure on what did Walt really do, are the only things I wanted more details about.
All the other unsolved questions I see popping around in this thread have either been addressed (but apparently flew over people's heads) or are ultimately meaningless in the overall story (like "who was the first guardian?" well, who cares? he was someone that died long before Jacob and MIB were born, would introducing him serve to any purpose? what would he say btw? "I did it because I'm a wizard" or "God did it"? some things like a cork containing evil can't be explained unless magic or religion are involved, so keeping this stuff vague is definitely a plus if you ask me).
But I really wanted more details on those two, hopefully the DVD extras will help.

By the way, my theory about Walt is that he was special exactly in the same way as MIB was (able to "just know" things before experiencing them), and that's it.

 

[j-wood]

I think the ash was broken when Hurley found the cabin. He went up to the window and got a fright and sorta blundered away, I'm guessing he accidentaly disrupted the ash.

That's right, I remember that now.

So that takes care of that...but then how did we see smokey ever since season 1?

 

[Solo]

wait...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Jack's scar being MIB's knife wound is completely obvious :lol Why is this blowing people's minds?

 

[Jocchan]

Maybe the ash circle was already broken before Ben led Locke in the cabin the first time?
It's not a given the circle was meant to keep Smokey prisoner in there, maybe it was there so he would stay out (but we still wouldn't know who put it there in the first place and why they did so for just a wooden cabin out in the woods).

Jack's scar being MIB's knife wound is completely obvious :lol Why is this blowing people's minds?

I've seen much worse misunderstandings, you know.
OMG SO THEY WERE DEAD THE WHOLE TIME??? I CALLED IT DURING SEASON ONE!

 

[Solo]

Can anybody tell me the name of the song that played when Ben apologized to Locke? It tends to play with many Ben scenes.

"Dharmacide" from the S3 soundtrack is Ben's theme. Its seen many permutations throughout the years.

That was the lamest, cheesiest shit i have ever seen. The slow motion hugging montage with the endless stream of phony smiles and Giacchino's overly sentimental music was HILARIOUS. I can't believe anyone could have an emotional reaction when they are so blatantly trying to tearjerk you. Darlton might as well have walked on screen and held huge signs saying "cry here". I wasn't surprised in the least to see that they didn't have the guts to end the show without some tacked-on sugar coated ending. Jesus, that was wretched.

I, for one, am SHOCKED.

 

[Lafiel]

What's up with your avatar solo? :lol

 

[Veidt]

Jack's scar being MIB's knife wound is completely obvious :lol Why is this blowing people's minds?

Not the scar on his neck ( this was obvious from a few episodes ago) The appendicitis from S4 that suddenly appeared before they left, that was the stab Smokey gave Jack. That's what blew my mind.

lol

 

[LM4sure]

I don't know how some people are so daft. There are several people I work with that think everyone died when the Oceanic flight crashed on the island and everything that happened after that was purgatory.

I'm pretty sure that's not what the creators intended. I even think Christian said that all that actually happened. The only stuff that didn't "really" happen was the flash sideways stuff, which was esentially purgatory.

I'm right and they're all wrong, correct? I tried arguing my case for a good 20 minutes but stupid people are set in their ways.

 

[Solo]

What's up with your avatar solo? :lol

I LOST an avatar bet in the NHL playoffs thread
My team LOST to Philadelphia, so Im stuck with this avatar for 10-12 days until the Stanley Cup finals are over.

 

[LCfiner]

I don't know how some people are so daft. There are several people I work with that think everyone died when the Oceanic flight crashed on the island and everything that happened after that was purgatory.

I'm pretty sure that's not what the creators intended. I even think Christian said that all that actually happened. The only stuff that didn't "really" happen was the flash sideways stuff, which was esentially purgatory.

I'm right and they're all wrong, correct? I tried arguing my case for a good 20 minutes but stupid people are set in their ways.

you are right. everyone else arguing otherwise is either stupid or willfully ignorant (which is even worse, imo)

 

[Veidt]

I LOST an avatar bet in the NHL playoffs thread
My team LOST to Philadelphia, so Im stuck with this avatar for 10-12 days until the Stanley Cup finals are over.

So I guess you thought you got what you wanted, but LOST that which was most important

 

[Solo]

I don't know how some people are so daft. There are several people I work with that think everyone died when the Oceanic flight crashed on the island and everything that happened after that was purgatory.

I'm pretty sure that's not what the creators intended. I even think Christian said that all that actually happened. The only stuff that didn't "really" happen was the flash sideways stuff, which was esentially purgatory.

I'm right and they're all wrong, correct? I tried arguing my case for a good 20 minutes but stupid people are set in their ways.

Yes, you are right. I posted the general gist of things many pages back, but Ill do it again:

- EVERYTHING happened with the exception of the X-timeline; the events of the Pilot up to Jack's death in The End were 100% real
- *
- Jack died on the island, Kate and Co flew away and led long, happy lives, Hurley and Ben ruled the island for many years
- Everyone dies eventually. When the Losties did, they ended up in the X-timeline, which was really a form of purgatory
- They all needed to find eachother again and remember their past lives together before they could move on
- in the end, they all did just that (Ben didnt move on because he wanted to make things right with Alex and Rousseau first)

* some people believe that detonating Jughead created the X-timeline/purgatory, but I dont subscribe to that. Jughead did nothing but allow the Swan station/hatch to be built and shoot the Losties back to 2007.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Season four is when we got the ghost whisperer. That for me is the point it left any chance of a scientific explanation behind.

The point it left any chance of a scientific explanation was in season 1 when they introduced a monster made out of smoke that had the ability to uproot trees and show people images of their past floating inside the smoke.

 

[JGS]

My only question is why Jack wasn't turned into a smoke monster?

He replaced Jacob.

Jacob indicated he created the Smokey. Although this may not have been the first Smokey, it may take more than throwing someone down the hole.

I still think that it's matched up with your personality. Smokey was a bad dude from the beginning, so he would not have qualified as protector of the Island ever, no matter what Crazymom thought.

This is why Hurley & not Ben was chosen as the next Jacob. Ben was more qualified to do the job technically and he would have never done anything to hurt the Island and it is irrelevant apparently if he hurts people. However, he did not qualify for the responsibility and Jack knew it (It thought it was neat that they had a passing shot of Ben when Jack picked Hurley. I thought he was going to go off on them!).

 

[dsister44]

can't believe people are still asking why it is bad if flocke gets off the island.



hmmm, so we have this can that is immortal and can turn into an unstoppable monster and cause untold destruction whenever he wants. yeah i'm sure it is fine if we let him out of his prison

 

[Solo]

Goddamn, I need Giacc's S6 score NAOW

 

[duckroll]

The point it left any chance of a scientific explanation was in season 1 when they introduced a monster made out of smoke that had the ability to uproot trees and show people images of their past floating inside the smoke.

Wrong. Nanomachines.

 

[Solo]

Wrong. Nanomachines.

METAL GEAR?!

 

[JGS]

The point it left any chance of a scientific explanation was in season 1 when they introduced a monster made out of smoke that had the ability to uproot trees and show people images of their past floating inside the smoke.

It's always been a blend of science and faith. It's pretty clear that EM in this show is linked to magical properties. In fact, electromagnetism could very well explain just about all of the weird stuff going on considering it linked Desmond to the afterlife.

The discussion about atheists liking the ending several pages back was kind of silly considering that LOST has always been about bridging the two things (faith/science) together and having them meet in the middle like Locke & Jack.

 

[Lafiel]

Reading this article in the context of how the series ended is funny http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/745/745595p1.html IGN's top 50 unanswered questions in LOST.:lol

 

[dsister44]

oops, thought it was a recent article!

 

[Ceres]

ha ha, I know. I forget how young most of gaf really is.

show started when I was 25, now I'm 31.

I think it would have been a totally different experience for me if i started watching this at 13. :lol

I started watching it right before s2 aired so I was 23 and am now 28.

 

[criesofthepast]

Goddamn, I need Giacc's S6 score NAOW

Me too. And damn you are like a totally new person without a Locke avatar.

*not sure if want.jpg*

 

[itxaka]

He replaced Jacob.

Jacob indicated he created the Smokey. Although this may not have been the first Smokey, it may take more than throwing someone down the hole.

I still think that it's matched up with your personality. Smokey was a bad dude from the beginning, so he would not have qualified as protector of the Island ever, no matter what Crazymom thought.

This is why Hurley & not Ben was chosen as the next Jacob. Ben was more qualified to do the job technically and he would have never done anything to hurt the Island and it is irrelevant apparently if he hurts people. However, he did not qualify for the responsibility and Jack knew it (It thought it was neat that they had a passing shot of Ben when Jack picked Hurley. I thought he was going to go off on them!).

What? No!

I don't think it requires more. more like what? Anger? Frustration?

Meh, Jack should have turned into the smoke monster. In fact, that is what happened, I'm pretty sure. They aired the wrong ending.

 

[seb]

the continuation showed that same shot from far away, no?

Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98hO97ky-sA :lol

 

[Jill Sandwich]

In the end it was Desmond who managed to 'lift it up'

 

[TheVampire]

Jack and Christian reunion was best moment in the show for me.

Tears in my eyes

:*)

 

[mrklaw]

Yes, you are right. I posted the general gist of things many pages back, but Ill do it again:

- EVERYTHING happened with the exception of the X-timeline; the events of the Pilot up to Jack's death in The End were 100% real
- *
- Jack died on the island, Kate and Co flew away and led long, happy lives, Hurley and Ben ruled the island for many years
- Everyone dies eventually. When the Losties did, they ended up in the X-timeline, which was really a form of purgatory
- They all needed to find eachother again and remember their past lives together before they could move on
- in the end, they all did just that (Ben didnt move on because he wanted to make things right with Alex and Rousseau first)

* some people believe that detonating Jughead created the X-timeline/purgatory, but I dont subscribe to that. Jughead did nothing but allow the Swan station/hatch to be built and shoot the Losties back to 2007.

I get all this, and thanks for a concise summary

but I don't get the purgatory bit. Losties can't just turn up there when they die, surely they'd be there anyway as its all in parallel - eg Jack was there and had a wife and kid even though he's still alive on the island. So are they literally parallel lives, or does the X-timeline not actually exist? eg its just in peoples minds?

if it exists, why are they living out completely separate lives with no knowledge of the 'real' past? There is no obvious way for them to 'flash', it takes Desmond to force the issue.

Do they all 'pass on' at the same time, or do we think we saw Jack's passing, and each of the others have a similar experience? I thought (and like to think) that it was a mass passing, and Christian's comments about 'there is no now' would support that - i.e there is no time, just whenever someone dies they all end up at that same point in time.

But right at the end it seemed very Jack focused, possibly just for dramatic reasons. When he met Kate at the party, the way she looked at him was as though she knew it was him, not just for all of them. likewise in the church, almost as though everyone else had already been through this. But that doesn't make sense either as Hurley and many of the others would still be alive.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Watched it tonight. Loved it.

Fucking delivered on a series finale. Can't believe it.

 

[chase]

ha ha, I know. I forget how young most of gaf really is.

show started when I was 25, now I'm 31.

I think it would have been a totally different experience for me if i started watching this at 13. :lol

qft

 

[Fjolle]

Anyone got any idea why X started with people in the plane? Wouldn't it make more sense if they went there when they died? (maybe they did? ).

 

[jasonng]

Not read the whole thread so apologies if this theory has cropped up before, but I think I know what the smoke monster is. I'm guessing its a manifestation of the island's power meant for protecting the island.


We've already had some strong hints that the smoke monster has been around before the MIB falls into the cave. Some of the Egyptian stuff we have seen indicate they worshiped the smoke monster in some way. Also, in Across the Sea there are several indications that the mother is in fact the smoke monster.

1. She kills a whole load of people
2. She fills up a massive hole in the ground with dirt in a short space of time.
3. She warns Jacob not to go into the light because it would be 'a fate worse than death'
4. She thanks the MIB when he kills her, implying she was suffering said 'fate worse than death'

I think this indicates pretty strongly that whoever becomes 'protector' of the island is supposed to enter the light and become the smoke monster and gain its abilities in order to better protect the island. It is essentially a weapon left behind by the whoever created the island, so its appearance and all the weird noises it makes are a result of intelligent (technologically advanced?) design rather than anything random. The ritual that Jacob goes through is only one part of the puzzle. Unfortunately his mother warns him away from going into the light, probably because she herself regrets doing so. The skeletons in the cave also indicate others have entered the light and are probably the remains of previous protectors who shed their physical bodies in order to become the smoke monster and protect the island.

However in this instance Jacob chucks the MIB down the cave instead of going down himself which results in the MIB gaining the island's 'weapon' instead of Jacob. Fortunately Jacob still has his powers over the island and the ability to set rules, so he puts some rules in place that prevent the MIB from ever being able to leave the island and unleash it's power upon the human race, which he would probably do since he has already told Jacob that he finds humans to be 'bad'. Jacob also acknowledges that the MIB may one day find a loophole in the rules and be able to leave the island, so he brings people to the island in the hope that he can change the MIB's opinion of the human race and if, one day, god forbid, the MIB does escape, he will be less inclined to decimate us. The MIB, in turn, tries to prove to Jacob that all human beings are bad, in the hope that one day Jacob will agree and stop giving a shit about humans and let the MIB leave the island to do whatever he wants.

I find it interesting that all the conflict in the show boils down to the upbringing of Jacob and the MIB. If the islands protector was a regular person with some life experience and hadn't been raised in seclusion with weird views of the rest of the species none of this conflict would have happened. Which is why I believe Hurley will make a good protector

I like this theory but unfortunately the bold debunks it. If we're led to believe that the skeletons left under were of the previous protectors then the crazy mother would never had become the Eve in the cave. Minor detail you can overlook because there's nothing that indicate whose skeletons are those in the heart. Still like your theory though.

 

[The Elite]

Reading this article in the context of how the series ended is funny http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/745/745595p1.html IGN's top 50 unanswered questions in LOST.:lol

Weird. I was just thinking about that piece this morning.

 

[Radogol]

My name is Jack Shephard. I was stabbed and I woke up in 2004. Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can leave.

 

[YoungHav]

I am glad you addressed your need to have your opinion validated by talking down to people.

:lol Is this the new "but but but this is a character show!" ?

 

[ZeoVGM]

Anyone got any idea why X started with people in the plane? Wouldn't it make more sense if they went there when they died? (maybe they did? ).

What?

 

[TheLastFantasy]

So what the hell was up with Hurley's bird?

 

[Fjolle]

What?

X timeline starts with the characters in the same position (age pregnancies etc) as when the plane crashed. If it is supposed to be a purgatory the logical reason for this would be that they died

 

[JGS]

I get all this, and thanks for a concise summary

but I don't get the purgatory bit. Losties can't just turn up there when they die, surely they'd be there anyway as its all in parallel - eg Jack was there and had a wife and kid even though he's still alive on the island. So are they literally parallel lives, or does the X-timeline not actually exist? eg its just in peoples minds?

It's back to what Christian said about time not mattering. They could have lived their whole alternate lives there and it be an instant after death. We don't know. Some would have been there for years sincethey died on the Island while others died of old age. Thinking of it like an actual timeline will just give you headaches.

It's possible that they create the whole thing and invented the memories too (Like Jack no rememebering his appendectomy as a kid.

if it exists, why are they living out completely separate lives with no knowledge of the 'real' past? There is no obvious way for them to 'flash', it takes Desmond to force the issue.

I disagree. I think that they would have always gotten together eventually and why it started on the airplane. This is where it started that they would come together and start the new journey whatever that was. That was the whole theme of the timeline. I think Desmond sped up the issue or perhaps Desmond was always meant to be the catalyst (The weird thing is Desmond's ability Island time had nothing to do with his task in the X timeline, he could just see his x timeline, but didn't understand it. Neat.). It's that whole choice/destiny thing.

They could not have knowledge of the past because that life was all they knew. I think of it like being born and having those memories erased until you're ready to accept them, otherwise your brain overloads. jqack was a perfect example of this as the last one to accept what happened.

Do they all 'pass on' at the same time, or do we think we saw Jack's passing, and each of the others have a similar experience? I thought (and like to think) that it was a mass passing, and Christian's comments about 'there is no now' would support that - i.e there is no time, just whenever someone dies they all end up at that same point in time.

But right at the end it seemed very Jack focused, possibly just for dramatic reasons. When he met Kate at the party, the way she looked at him was as though she knew it was him, not just for all of them. likewise in the church, almost as though everyone else had already been through this. But that doesn't make sense either as Hurley and many of the others would still be alive.

They did not pass at the same time. They all got together after everyone had died. But again, this is hard to describe since time is not an issue. Everyone but Jack at that point understood what happened so they were happy to see each other. Kate saw the man of her dreams walk up at the party (Who she hadn't seen in ages) and was trying to contain herself since Jack wasn't in that place yet.

 

[bud]

i enjoyed the on-island stuff. the off-island stuff was alright, despite all the ''oh i remember now! *hugging and crying*'' drama... but then they go on and do that. i'm a very emotional guy--seriously--but everything that happened in the church did nothing for me, really.

jack closing his eyes, watching the plane fly away, gave me goosebumps, though.

 

[phisheep]

Anyone got any idea why X started with people in the plane? Wouldn't it make more sense if they went there when they died? (maybe they did? ).

Seems to me that it started (as in diverged from the original 'real' world) at different times for different people.

Claire - on the plane (still pregnant)
Daniel - when he was about 12 (stuck with music, no physics?)
Sawyer - when he made the choice between being a vigilante or in law enforcement (but probably from the same cause)
Eloise - mid-1970's before she shot Daniel
Hurley, before the asylum

Jack is really weird though - because of Juliet and the son but still gets the scars from the island too

Struggling with my memory here, though.

 

[thekad]

Yeah it's very similar. Joel inexplicably having the urge to play hookie from work. The two being "drawn" to each other on the train. Good stuff.

But how did they know to meet in Montauk? I need ANSWERZ!

 

[Kurtofan]

Not read the whole thread so apologies if this theory has cropped up before, but I think I know what the smoke monster is. I'm guessing its a manifestation of the island's power meant for protecting the island.


We've already had some strong hints that the smoke monster has been around before the MIB falls into the cave. Some of the Egyptian stuff we have seen indicate they worshiped the smoke monster in some way. Also, in Across the Sea there are several indications that the mother is in fact the smoke monster.

1. She kills a whole load of people
2. She fills up a massive hole in the ground with dirt in a short space of time.
3. She warns Jacob not to go into the light because it would be 'a fate worse than death'
4. She thanks the MIB when he kills her, implying she was suffering said 'fate worse than death'

I think this indicates pretty strongly that whoever becomes 'protector' of the island is supposed to enter the light and become the smoke monster and gain its abilities in order to better protect the island. It is essentially a weapon left behind by the whoever created the island, so its appearance and all the weird noises it makes are a result of intelligent (technologically advanced?) design rather than anything random. The ritual that Jacob goes through is only one part of the puzzle. Unfortunately his mother warns him away from going into the light, probably because she herself regrets doing so. The skeletons in the cave also indicate others have entered the light and are probably the remains of previous protectors who shed their physical bodies in order to become the smoke monster and protect the island.

However in this instance Jacob chucks the MIB down the cave instead of going down himself which results in the MIB gaining the island's 'weapon' instead of Jacob. Fortunately Jacob still has his powers over the island and the ability to set rules, so he puts some rules in place that prevent the MIB from ever being able to leave the island and unleash it's power upon the human race, which he would probably do since he has already told Jacob that he finds humans to be 'bad'. Jacob also acknowledges that the MIB may one day find a loophole in the rules and be able to leave the island, so he brings people to the island in the hope that he can change the MIB's opinion of the human race and if, one day, god forbid, the MIB does escape, he will be less inclined to decimate us. The MIB, in turn, tries to prove to Jacob that all human beings are bad, in the hope that one day Jacob will agree and stop giving a shit about humans and let the MIB leave the island to do whatever he wants.

I find it interesting that all the conflict in the show boils down to the upbringing of Jacob and the MIB. If the islands protector was a regular person with some life experience and hadn't been raised in seclusion with weird views of the rest of the species none of this conflict would have happened. Which is why I believe Hurley will make a good protector

MIB and Jacob were here before the Egyptians.