LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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SpeedingUptoStop
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This is the pilot episode for the ANSWERS spin-off.Nameless said:
SpeedingUptoStop
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Locke's wheelchair was designed by an employee of Boone's company. Why is this important?Nameless said:
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Could someone provide a link to a good article that explains the finale? A friend of mine needs it spelled out for them, and doesn't believe me when I clearly say that they all EVENTUALLY died, and that the flash sideways were actually an epilogue that happened AFTER THEY ALL EVENTUALLY DIED.
LOST articles? Theories?
LOST articles? Theories?
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Alucard said:Holy crap, I can't believe how many "they were dead all along" articles there are online.It makes my fucking head hurt, and only exists to spread the stupid.
It really is frustrating. Can't imagine would Darlton must be feeling. I mean I can deal with a chick not liking me because I'm not her type. But it would suck if she didn't like me because she thought I have herpes.
LOST DOESN'T HAVE HERPES YOU IGNORANT FUCKS!
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For the past hour I've been listening to Giacchino's absurd Partying Words/There's No Place LIke Home/Life & Death mash-up of the forever which ended "The End". I think this beats Locked Out Again for my favorite MG Score.
Fast Forward to about 3 minutes in:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LostMusic108#p/u/3/0nfloYaf9YQ
I literally can't stop listening to this shit... god damn
Fast Forward to about 3 minutes in:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LostMusic108#p/u/3/0nfloYaf9YQ
I literally can't stop listening to this shit... god damn
I cant let this series go without posting my favorite moment outside of the entirety of The Constant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7-lz8nYe8
The actor delivered that final line in such epic fashion there. Its hard not to like Jack after that scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7-lz8nYe8
The actor delivered that final line in such epic fashion there. Its hard not to like Jack after that scene.
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G-Fex said:
Yep. Been on a LOST high since the finale. Wish I could forget it and watch it all over again. Speaking of, I watched it over again today and it made me bawl like a little bitch even when I knew what was coming. The power that is Giacchino.
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Having had some time to sleep on it, here's what I think. Can't match tekumseh though that was deep....
S1 = S4 > S2 > S6 > S3 > S5
Season 5....the bottom line for me is that in my inevitable rewatch, I know that this is going to be the hardest season to get through. I still love it of course because this show has always been entertaining, but I really don't like the time travel aspect that much. Just ended up feeling like a wasted opportunity. Also, I think that S5 has the worst season finale which doesn't help. I don't really feel like there was anything necessarily "iconic" about this season. No images really stick in my mind, no moments that really stick out as being above and beyond anything else, just feels like the most "bland" season to me.
Season 3 had an amazing final run, but the beginning and middle half of the season really drags it down for me. Outside of Juliet, I was not a fan of the Cage/Hydra island stuff. Those last 4 or 5 episodes are brilliant though. And it has one of the better finale's (Hell, the on Island stuff in the S3 finale is actually a bit better than the on Island stuff in The End). I really enjoyed everything with Alex and Rousseau as well. Above all else, I'll remember this as the last season in which Ben and The Others were completely in control and menacing. One thing the later seasons missed that I loved about the earlier ones.
Season 6 had some great highs, also had some lows for me. I think this season may have really benefited if they had rearranged some of the episodes around. Honestly, in retrospect, I feel as though the season as a whole as well as fans reactions to it would have benefited had they aired Across the Sea as the premier (As crazy as that may sound). I think the big beef people have with the show right now is that they aired this episode towards the end, making it seem as though they were either 1) Setting something up for the finale or 2) Answering everything so that they wouldn't have to in the finale. I feel like it would have been better off really early in the season. When I rewatch the season, I'll probably watch this episode first. Be it as it may, I feel that The End may be the best season finale.
Season 2....sort of a guilty pleasure for me I guess. Like I've said a few times through the thread, I just really liked the "weirdness" of this season. I pretty much liked everything that dealt with the Hatch and the Others. The season premier is probably my favorite premier in the shows history. Introduction of Desmond. Introduction of Ben. Orientation films. One of the better middle of the season "what the hell" moments in The Other 48 Days. Tons of great friction in this season. Between Jack/Locke/Sawyer/Eko/Ana Lucia/Kate/Sayid...just felt like a lot of drama underneath everything that was going on and I loved that. If this season had been condensed down to less episodes like the final 3 seasons, it would be the best season. What held it down was all the filler they had to throw in.
Season 4....the most tightly wound season. This season ranks so high for me personally because it feels like the most "shot to air" season...not sure if that makes sense. It just seems like this season, more than any other season, was well thought out before hand, and executed to perfection, making it the most consistent season, with little filler. I really liked everything that happened on the freighter, great casting, and was a nice change of setting for an on island story. Also, the flashes in this season are pretty much unmatched for me, Oceanic 6 storyline really worked out (And was helped by non-06 flashes also being great). Can't wait to give this a rewatch.
Season 1, tied for first, but completely different than season 4. Looking back, this season probably could fit anywhere on the list because it's sooo different from any other season, it almost deserves a separate tier, but I guess that's what makes it so perfect. This is the only season where people compare episodes from later seasons to, "That felt like a season 1 episode"...always in a good way. I could never get enough of those "nightly speeches" from Jack and/or Locke. The island interior was sooooo scary in this season...the show actually had a good bit of horror conventions in the beginning. The "hook" of this season of course was watching these character get to know and love/hate each other. Beginning of the love triangle (Before it was annoying as shit), beginning of Jins fantastic character arc, set the stage for faith versus science, set the stage for Locke versus Jack, just so much going on under the regular plot this season.
S1 = S4 > S2 > S6 > S3 > S5
Season 5....the bottom line for me is that in my inevitable rewatch, I know that this is going to be the hardest season to get through. I still love it of course because this show has always been entertaining, but I really don't like the time travel aspect that much. Just ended up feeling like a wasted opportunity. Also, I think that S5 has the worst season finale which doesn't help. I don't really feel like there was anything necessarily "iconic" about this season. No images really stick in my mind, no moments that really stick out as being above and beyond anything else, just feels like the most "bland" season to me.
Season 3 had an amazing final run, but the beginning and middle half of the season really drags it down for me. Outside of Juliet, I was not a fan of the Cage/Hydra island stuff. Those last 4 or 5 episodes are brilliant though. And it has one of the better finale's (Hell, the on Island stuff in the S3 finale is actually a bit better than the on Island stuff in The End). I really enjoyed everything with Alex and Rousseau as well. Above all else, I'll remember this as the last season in which Ben and The Others were completely in control and menacing. One thing the later seasons missed that I loved about the earlier ones.
Season 6 had some great highs, also had some lows for me. I think this season may have really benefited if they had rearranged some of the episodes around. Honestly, in retrospect, I feel as though the season as a whole as well as fans reactions to it would have benefited had they aired Across the Sea as the premier (As crazy as that may sound). I think the big beef people have with the show right now is that they aired this episode towards the end, making it seem as though they were either 1) Setting something up for the finale or 2) Answering everything so that they wouldn't have to in the finale. I feel like it would have been better off really early in the season. When I rewatch the season, I'll probably watch this episode first. Be it as it may, I feel that The End may be the best season finale.
Season 2....sort of a guilty pleasure for me I guess. Like I've said a few times through the thread, I just really liked the "weirdness" of this season. I pretty much liked everything that dealt with the Hatch and the Others. The season premier is probably my favorite premier in the shows history. Introduction of Desmond. Introduction of Ben. Orientation films. One of the better middle of the season "what the hell" moments in The Other 48 Days. Tons of great friction in this season. Between Jack/Locke/Sawyer/Eko/Ana Lucia/Kate/Sayid...just felt like a lot of drama underneath everything that was going on and I loved that. If this season had been condensed down to less episodes like the final 3 seasons, it would be the best season. What held it down was all the filler they had to throw in.
Season 4....the most tightly wound season. This season ranks so high for me personally because it feels like the most "shot to air" season...not sure if that makes sense. It just seems like this season, more than any other season, was well thought out before hand, and executed to perfection, making it the most consistent season, with little filler. I really liked everything that happened on the freighter, great casting, and was a nice change of setting for an on island story. Also, the flashes in this season are pretty much unmatched for me, Oceanic 6 storyline really worked out (And was helped by non-06 flashes also being great). Can't wait to give this a rewatch.
Season 1, tied for first, but completely different than season 4. Looking back, this season probably could fit anywhere on the list because it's sooo different from any other season, it almost deserves a separate tier, but I guess that's what makes it so perfect. This is the only season where people compare episodes from later seasons to, "That felt like a season 1 episode"...always in a good way. I could never get enough of those "nightly speeches" from Jack and/or Locke. The island interior was sooooo scary in this season...the show actually had a good bit of horror conventions in the beginning. The "hook" of this season of course was watching these character get to know and love/hate each other. Beginning of the love triangle (Before it was annoying as shit), beginning of Jins fantastic character arc, set the stage for faith versus science, set the stage for Locke versus Jack, just so much going on under the regular plot this season.
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Alucard said:Holy crap, I can't believe how many "they were dead all along" articles there are online.
Seems like the media is trying to paint a picture that this was a show that "started off strong but faded into obscurity"...hopefully the opinion of both the finale and the show as a whole elevates with time because right now I'm feeling like one of the few who even understood let alone liked it.
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Alucard said:Holy crap, I can't believe how many "they were dead all along" articles there are online.
Yep and more negative fan reactions than positive.
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Liara T'Soni said:
Which is why it's good the show ended when it did. People just weren't getting it and the interpretations of the finale was proof positive of this. In this sense, I'm glad the writers didn't sell out and try to please the knuckleheads with polar bear/donkey wheel reveals.
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Alucard said:
All you need to do is quote Christian Shephard: "Some died before you, some long after."
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Plus "everything happened".
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AnimatorZombie said:Don't know if it's been mentioned, but knowing what we know now..
Does that mean the "production error" of Desmond wearing the wedding ring in LAX wasn't an error but a subtle hint?
I'm going with production error that conveniently ironed itself out in the end.
Its a production error.
LOL Speeding thought it was a big clue :lol
Jexhius said:
Not a troll, just being honest. Think about the series. Have you ever thought Fox was better than Terry or Michael? Those guys have the ability to have one scene in an entire episode and steal the whole damn thing. Fox does not. He did a great job with The End, but then again, it was almost entirely focused on him the final 30 minutes.
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Solo said:
Agreed. As this episode shows, it all came down to writing. They were given much broader material and scenes, while fox was relegated to freaking out and feigning confidence. This past season, seeing him so confident and finally full of faith was amazing, like with the dynamite.
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I was just on facebook and i read on some comments on the lost page and there were bunch of people saying "OMG i cant believe they were dead all along!"
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Drealmcc0y said:
Yeah, I know. I had to deal with these people at work. People are dumb.
Oh, I have a question though (hopefully not a dumb one). Why did neither Jack nor Desmond become the smoke monster when they went in the cave? MIB was thrown in the cave and became the smoke monster so why didn't the same thing happen to the other two?
Ok, lets say you can only have one smoke monster. That would explain why Desmond didn't become one. Or you can say that his unique ability prevented him from becoming it. But what about Jack? The smoke monster was destroyed by the time he went into the cave. If it had to do with the plug being removed, why didn't Jack become the smoke monster after he put the plug back in? Is it because he was the new Jacob and you cannot have both Jacob's powers and the powers of the smoke monster?
i dont really know how ppl came away with that conclusion, if anything the cuse and company did not give the audience enough credit in the end, and basically spelled it out for us when Christian was explaining things to Jack and us in the end, i mean he came out and laid it on the table, whats so hard to understand about the end
LM4sure said:
When MIB went in, Smokey came out and MIB's dead body was dumped on the rocks. Jack's body was also dumped on the same rocks as MIB, and he died like 10 minutes after. Whose to say that there wasn't another Smokey created due to his act? Maybe Hurley and Ben spent their on-island career protecting the island against the new Smokey?
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LM4sure said:
Its my guess Smokey came to be because jacob couldnt kill MiB. Thus the act of throwing him in, which would have killed anyone else, along with the effects of crazy EM, created smokey. The powers that keep them from killing each other warped him. The body was killed but the spirit trapped in this EM energy.
Desmond as we well know, is highly resistant to the EM.
Jack for all we know could have received a resistance to the EM from being a protector of the island. That or he could have been a smokey but since he was mortally wounded before hand, didnt stop him from dying.
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Raist said:How does that have anything to do with my question?
No, what I'm saying is that you can't reasonably think that she was Smokey, and that when protectors become Smokey, they leave their body. Because if that was the case, their mom's body should be in the magic cave, not in the place MIB killed her.
Plus, since the only way to kill Smokey is to remove the "cork" then how come MIB could kill her without having to do that.
"He's special" is absolutely not a valid answer
I haven't really read the last bunch of pages so mr snrub might have answered this already.
The mum's body probably was in the cave, since there were lots of skeletons. Basically the guardian's job is to protect the light, especially from humans. Its also been shown that the MIB couldn't find the light himself, so clearly only a guardian can find it unassisted. So it makes sense that the bodies in the cave are the bodies of guardians who have become the smoke monster. They cant be the bodies of humans, or worshippers or anything like that because a) they cant find the cave without the guardian's help and b) bringing humans to the cave is exactly what the guardian exists to prevent
What happens is that you loose your body to become smokey. Why? Who knows, maybe its magic or nanotechnology. But when the mother makes Jacob the guardian she looses all her powers and becomes mortal again, she regains a physical body. So her first body is in the heart of the island and the second is buried with the MIB in the cave. Also note that the MIB leaves a second body when he is killed after becoming mortal again.
The MIB can kill her because she gave up her power. He doesnt want to give up his power, so at that point the only way to kill him is to remove the cork, which dispels all the 'light' related magical effects like making rules, electromagnetism, smokey powers.
About the 'don't let him speak' thing. I think that was just Dogen/the MIB being manipulative. Dogen doesn't know if the MIB can be killed, but he wants Sayid to try anyway because if he fails the MIB will kill him instead. The reason he tells him not to let him speak is because he fears the MIB may try and convince Sayid to join his cause and that Sayid may be inclined to do so because of his treatment at the hands of the others. So he implies that the MIB speaking might cast some sort of spell on Sayid so that Sayid tried to kill him first and ask questions later. MIB later does the same to Richard, knowing that Richard may doubt his intentions after revealing himself to be the black smoke. In both cases Dogen/MIB are taking advantage of Sayid/Richards ignorance.
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
Please tell me there's a high rez version of this?
Also, we need to go through all of the Lost threads and pull together the awesome gifs and jpegs!
He should have spelled it like you would to a special kid, I guess.yacobod said:
You didn't die in the plane crash, you were all alive on the island, some of you died but the survivors managed to save the day, you died after defeating MIB, other people lived their lives and died years or even centuries after you, and now it doesn't matter and you're all together because time is meaningless here.
And nothing would have changed, people would go "so they were dead all along!" anyway because of how dumb they are.
I think this could be a valid answer, even though it's a bit of a stretch.Gamer @ Heart said:
The rules prevented Jacob from killing his brother, so the EM - instead of killing him - just separated him from his body... and MIB turned into a creature made of pure electromagnetism.
When Ben was first introduced I hated him for quite a while. There's many Jack/Ben scenes where I liked and still like Jack better in it. But, it has a lot to do with heel/face contrast. Ealry on you were meant to side with a lostie emotionally. I wanted to beat the shit out of him so many times. The emotional scenes they gave him made me eventually like him quite a lot. Along with growing to see the genius of his character.Solo said:
I made a personal observation when Fox and Michael were being interviews this past month. Fox is pretty boring and Michael's awesome-ness sky rocketed. It's like his voices fluctuates more in this unique way when talking in a casual voice. Something really alluring to me. As much as he's a good villian, I think he'd be 10 better as a protagonist harnessing more of his upbeat natural voice. If that makes sense.
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