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brandonh83
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Season 6 for me encapsulated the entirety of Lost-- drama, mystery, character development, and so on. When I think about the spirit and messages of the entire show, I just think that S6 was the total payoff of everything that the show was about.
If you don't like what the show was about, that's understandable. But I cannot imagine for the life of me how someone who loves the characters and understands what the overall themes and messages could be disappointed in it. They didn't just deliver on those terms, either, as season 6 had by far the most spiritual and supernatural storytelling aspects of the entire series.
There were some hokey things about it here and there, but since the get-go I've known that I'm watching a very bizarre story unfold, a story that touches on so many elements ranging from spirituality to science fiction so I really don't hold the few kind of inane plot points against it as a whole.
Season 6 proved to me that the writers completely understood the characters, inside and out, and gave us a whole new meaning and outlook of what makes the characters tick, why they were brought to the island, and so on. All I wanted out of the show was the proper sendoff to the characters and at least some understanding of what the island is all about and I felt that season 6 delivered that to me in spades.
If you don't like what the show was about, that's understandable. But I cannot imagine for the life of me how someone who loves the characters and understands what the overall themes and messages could be disappointed in it. They didn't just deliver on those terms, either, as season 6 had by far the most spiritual and supernatural storytelling aspects of the entire series.
There were some hokey things about it here and there, but since the get-go I've known that I'm watching a very bizarre story unfold, a story that touches on so many elements ranging from spirituality to science fiction so I really don't hold the few kind of inane plot points against it as a whole.
Season 6 proved to me that the writers completely understood the characters, inside and out, and gave us a whole new meaning and outlook of what makes the characters tick, why they were brought to the island, and so on. All I wanted out of the show was the proper sendoff to the characters and at least some understanding of what the island is all about and I felt that season 6 delivered that to me in spades.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
If I could, I'd fist bump you so hard, the universe would shatter.brandonh83 said:
brandonh83
Banned
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Save your dimensional-shattering energy for some of the counter-posts which I'm sure are being written up as we speak, even though what I posted was merely a personal opinion :lol
Drealmcc0y
Banned
brandonh83 said:
I wish I could write like you. You are awesome my friend.
Naked Snake
Member
I'm getting nauseated. This page needs more Erigu and dave is ok.
brandonh83
Banned
Naked Snake said:
Positive opinions FTL! :lol
Drealmcc0y
Banned
your nauseum is my life blood.Naked Snake said:
dave is ok
aztek is ok
This thread is like Lost.
Bradonh and Drealmc0ys long, articulate defenses of S6 were actually written in a sideways dimension where it wasn't a horrible mess of a show. All plot lines were finished in a satisfying manner and everyone was happy. But then it turned out the sideways dimension wasn't just a sideways dimension at all - it was hell. Hell for any sane person who knows the truth about S6.
Bradonh and Drealmc0ys long, articulate defenses of S6 were actually written in a sideways dimension where it wasn't a horrible mess of a show. All plot lines were finished in a satisfying manner and everyone was happy. But then it turned out the sideways dimension wasn't just a sideways dimension at all - it was hell. Hell for any sane person who knows the truth about S6.
brandonh83
Banned
Just not sure what people have against some of us liking it. I don't have a problem with people who don't, but you guys keep just coming in here and handing out opinions like they're facts.
It's almost like the idea of someone liking it offends you or something and everytime someone says something nice or positive it's immediate grounds for retaliation.
Yeah, we know you don't like it. It's getting pretty redundant. I don't go in threads about things I don't like and shit them up with the same junk every day.
Still, for what it's worth I thought your post was at least amusing. :lol
It's almost like the idea of someone liking it offends you or something and everytime someone says something nice or positive it's immediate grounds for retaliation.
Yeah, we know you don't like it. It's getting pretty redundant. I don't go in threads about things I don't like and shit them up with the same junk every day.
Still, for what it's worth I thought your post was at least amusing. :lol
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
dave is ok said:
Keep calling someone like me insane. Does wonders for your argument.
Wait, "does wonders" means "decimates it completely," right? I mean, that's a kind of wonder, isn't it?
brandonh83
Banned
bachikarn said:
I don't think that. And I know. I don't try to be annoying about it, I just like talking about it, I actually enjoy it. I don't make any sort of attempt to call people out for hating, but the haters are constantly in here making frequent jabs. That doesn't account for everyone who doesn't like it, but I'm not singling those individuals out.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
brand0h and I are vibing like crazy all over this page.
brandonh83
Banned
we be likin' dey be trollin'
Meh, nothing important: just the motivations, the stakes, the rules... Details.brandonh83 said:
I can hear an army of science fiction writers rolling in their graves...
Yeah, like when they killed the Kwons in that sub, then went "oh, right: they had a kid! whoopsie!", went back to film a short scene just to say she was with her grandmother (so it's all right, obviously), and high-fived for a job well done?
Those guys set the bar quite high in the "not giving a shit" department.
It was all the script's doing! But that's hardly news.
Drealmcc0y
Banned
Erigu said:
Actually theres a moment in the sub where Jin looks to leave, but he decided to stay, because he doesnt want Sun to die alone.
Sun and Jin whole story has been about there love for each other.
But im sure erigu knows best.
Yeah, and it wasn't scripted, so my point still stands.Drealmcc0y said:
And being separated for no reason. And their difficult relationship with the English language.
You make it so easy.
brandonh83 said:
What I have a problem with is you saying "okay, you didn't like season 6 because you didn't know what the show was about".
No, I didn't like season 6 because I think the message was obvious and shallow, and it rendered useless all of the prior mythology and plot established beyond the extent of "they were all in it together".
Spotless Mind
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The only truthful thing you have posted in the entire thread.Drealmcc0y said:
brandonh83
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TheExodu5 said:
If I said it precisely like that, then no, I take it back. I'm not calling anyone dumb.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
oh snap :lolSpotless Mind said:
I'm enjoying this page way too much. Both "sides" bringing credible views to the table. The back-and-forth has been more interesting than usual, at least.
brandonh83
Banned
Catalix said:
There is no back, only forward.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
I just meant the discussion in general, really. Whatever you wanna call it, I've had fun reading the detailed responses lately, including yours 
I don't really have the energy to praise/criticize the show in depth anymore, but doing it vicariously through you guys is enough for me these days.
I don't really have the energy to praise/criticize the show in depth anymore, but doing it vicariously through you guys is enough for me these days.
Yay, got the Blu Ray...gonna watch Across the Sea with commentary so I can see what they thought about this shit.
Today I ordered two more LOST Encyclopedias. Giving one to my brother and one to my dad for Christmas.
(EDIT)
Something interesting I didn't think about prior to that commentary...
1. They really heavily imply that Mother WAS the smoke monster, which I think was the conclusion we came to.
BUT...
2. The fact that the light was dimmer in the finale than it was in AtS. They mentioned that someone would have gone in AFTER this and built the plug. That goes against what I thought, but that makes more sense as to why Desmond didn't turn by going down.
Interesting stuff.
(EDIT PART DEUX)
Also kind of bummed they deleted a couple scenes from the show, including:
1. Claire and MIB talking, and MIB says that the rules prevent him from killing them. Also explains why Claire wasn't with him when he showed up on shore.
2. Vincent coming to the well...I guess I know why they cut it out, but it is still sweet.
Today I ordered two more LOST Encyclopedias. Giving one to my brother and one to my dad for Christmas.
(EDIT)
Something interesting I didn't think about prior to that commentary...
1. They really heavily imply that Mother WAS the smoke monster, which I think was the conclusion we came to.
BUT...
2. The fact that the light was dimmer in the finale than it was in AtS. They mentioned that someone would have gone in AFTER this and built the plug. That goes against what I thought, but that makes more sense as to why Desmond didn't turn by going down.
Interesting stuff.
(EDIT PART DEUX)
Also kind of bummed they deleted a couple scenes from the show, including:
1. Claire and MIB talking, and MIB says that the rules prevent him from killing them. Also explains why Claire wasn't with him when he showed up on shore.
2. Vincent coming to the well...I guess I know why they cut it out, but it is still sweet.
I remember reading somewhere that the encyclopedia gives another, non-fantastical (and not so convincing either, but hey: Lost) explanation for that village's destruction though...oatmeal said:
Someone, of course! I always thought Someone was suspect.
There should have been a Someone-centric episode at some point, really: it would have explained so much!
Yes, it's unfortunate that they didn't explain the cork more. I think the way they handled the finale was fantastic, but I wish they had established the cork a bit better.
I don't need your 'witty' retort as to 'I wish they had established everything better' because it's pointless...you're still on ignore, I just opted to click to read that one post.
I don't need your 'witty' retort as to 'I wish they had established everything better' because it's pointless...you're still on ignore, I just opted to click to read that one post.
You could say that.oatmeal said:
They establish Desmond as this precious, special snowflake who can go into that cave (and even then, he nearly dies), but hey, no problem: "someone built that plug thingy (with runes, because runes are cool)".
So it was not dangerous for that Someone, for Some Reason? And why go through the trouble of building that plug in the first place, again? What was it supposed to do?
Also, if removing that plug destroys the island and robs the Man in Black of his powers... what about before it was built? How does that work?
And you said that the plug having been built after the Man in Black's fall in that cave could explain why he turned into a Smoke Monster and Desmond didn't... but Desmond removed that plug. He was in that cave while it was unplugged. Jack entered that cave while it was unplugged. And yet they didn't turn.
"Ah, but they put the plug back!"
By that logic, why was the Man in Black still a Smoke Monster after "Someone" built that plug?
Ah, well. Who cares, right?
That makes about as much sense as the show. :lol
brandonh83
Banned
oatmeal said:
If you post anything positive in here, it's grounds for some level of ridicule because the individuals who do not enjoy the show as much as the ones who do have zero respect for anyone who has something good to say.
It's why I have more or less stopped coming by. It's just not any fun anymore. I have fun discussing things and trying to figure things out, which is what the show is made for, but it's fairly difficult to carry on such a conversation without wanting to end your own life with a sledgehammer.
brandonh83
Banned
Erigu said:
I changed it for you, and I find it amusing that I'm suddenly intellectually lazy because I chose a quick word instead of a more proper elaboration. Hopefully my edit will help you sleep a bit better tonight.
"Hater" implies that it's not merely negative criticism but blind, irrational hate.brandonh83 said:
"Why bother discussing with those people? They're not even rational!"
Convenient.
Oh, and they have "zero respect for anyone who has something good to say", too. Why not, while we're at it, huh?
You said you "have fun discussing things and trying to figure things out" ("which is what the show is made for"? I thought it was just a ride and trying to understand how the whole thing worked was nitpicking?), but you didn't exactly jump at the opportunity to discuss the deal with the cork, here...
brandonh83
Banned
I think you're looking way too deeply into this. :lol
butter_stick
Banned
It never ceases to amaze me how much you want to have an "intellectual discussion" about something you don't even like.
butter_stick said:
People just don't understand. You invest 6 years of your life into a show that rips out your heart with a bullshit ending, completely betraying the curiosity they fed and nurtured over so many joyous nights of giddy speculation, and suddenly you 'hate' the show?
Or why didn't you just 'stop watching' after it was clear that the show had 'changed direction'? I get it if people like the ending, it felt good. I'm sure being jacked off by your grandfather would feel good, too, but sometimes we have to look beyond the simple pleasures and hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct.
Erigu, if you ever need anything, like a kidney, I'm your man. While we're discussing the cork, my favorite part was how there were more bodies down there. MORE MYSTERIES PRESENTED IN THE FINAL EPISODE. They couldn't even tie up things from season one and they had the balls to put all that ancient writing and more corpses down by the cork. So bad.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Seriously. Why on earth would anyone continue to return to a thread discussing something they don't like? I have literally never even entered a thread discussing a film, TV show or game I dislike or hate. Then again if I dislike a TV show so much I don't watch it for 6 seasons. And I can even understand criticism. I can understand coming in here and venting why you dislike Season 6 or the finale or the show as a whole. Do that and discuss it for a bit. Once. Not every bloody week for months on end. At this point, they're just repeating themselves and the ONLY reason to return to this thread is to sour discussion and pick away at the few remaining people who are happy to continue discussing the show, usually now with newcomers. There is simply no need to be hanging around in a thread for months if you don't like the threads subject of discussion.butter_stick said:
dave is ok
aztek is ok
We liked the show for many years. We pored over message board theorizing and speculated just like you guys. The only difference is that our denial wasn't so strong that we could convince ourselves that S6 (and S5 to a lesser extent) were good and made sense at all.
The show jumped the shark when Jack told Sawyer he wanted to reset the universe so he never had to lose Kate.
The show jumped the shark when Jack told Sawyer he wanted to reset the universe so he never had to lose Kate.
Naked Snake
Member
dave is ok said:
That's truly the episode when the show jumped the shark for me too.
*high five*
Naked Snake
Member
Willy105 said:
Jumping the shark is a subjective thing... so while the show might jump the shark for one person, it doesn't necessarily have to have jumped the shark for another.
[/Master of the Obvious]
Drealmcc0y
Banned
dave is ok said:
People will do alot, just for love. Not that you would ever know that.
I wasn't necessarily a huge fan of where things went in S5 and S6 (especially the Sideways), but people seem to drastically be inflating the aspects they disliked to represent the entire seasons. There's so much going on in the show at any given time that even having several botched plotlines doesn't kill it.
Some of my favorite episodes (Life and Death, Dead is Dead, The Incident, The Substitute, Lighthouse, Happily Ever After, The Candidate) are spread out throughout those seasons, so it is really hard for me to hate either.
And, yes, I know that people are going to jump on me for liking The Incident and Lighthouse.
Some of my favorite episodes (Life and Death, Dead is Dead, The Incident, The Substitute, Lighthouse, Happily Ever After, The Candidate) are spread out throughout those seasons, so it is really hard for me to hate either.
And, yes, I know that people are going to jump on me for liking The Incident and Lighthouse.
brandonh83
Banned
threenote said:
I had a lot of fun right up through the end of the last season. After that, not so much.
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