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[dave is ok]

Sorry to have brought up "Who is the man in the Cabin?" yesterday. I guess I should come to my own conclusions rather than asking for an explanation. I guess I can buy into the theory that it's the MIB/Smoke Monster/Christian and that the Christian that Jack in LA and Michael sees on the Freighter are actually the real Christian from the other side. Sloppy writing having 2 different Christians, sure. But it makes the most sense that way as one is only a disguise/ruse to fool Claire/Locke and whomever else he tricked, while the other is who he is(albeit a ghost).

More likely they were the same character until the writers decided MIB couldn't leave the island for some reason.

Otherwise - Michael, Locke, Claire and Jack all have the same power as Hurley making him a lot less special.

 

[gdt]

Watched Across The Sea and What They Died For.

WTDF was incredible as always, and ATS was...rather enjoyable to me!

Removed from the pressure and expectations, almost a year later, and accepting the shitty kids, it's a good tale of the relationship between two brothers who, in their own way, love each other. It also does a fatastic job of making you sympathize with MIB, even right after The Candidate (obvious episode order is obvious)! I expected to fly through it, but I was way into it this morning. Huh, who've thunk.

Granted, it's not a classic by any means, but it was enjoyable.

One left! Then I'll dig into the special features.

 

[gdt]

Oh my goddddddddddddddddddddddd.

I just cried like 6 separate times, and during the final 10/15 minutes, it was a constant stream of tears. I'm just....a total mess emotionally right now.

I can totally get how some were disappointed by the finale, but gosh, for me, it's my favorite episode of tv, ever. Hell, we could probably included movies/book/etc. It's just unbelievably emotionally affecting to me.

I'm gonna thinking about this all day.

 

[XNarte]

Oh my goddddddddddddddddddddddd.

I just cried like 6 separate times, and during the final 10/15 minutes, it was a constant stream of tears. I'm just....a total mess emotionally right now.

I can totally get how some were disappointed by the finale, but gosh, for me, it's my favorite episode of tv, ever. Hell, we could probably included movies/book/etc. It's just unbelievably emotionally affecting to me.

I'm gonna thinking about this all day.

AMEN

 

[WillyFive]

I have been trying to figure what exactly they did to make that episode so emotional. I was also very moved by the episode, incredibly so. It's like Titanic, but with a happy ending.

It's a masterpiece of a TV episode, better than a lot of movies out there. I remember Jin and Sun's scene being extremely emotional.

 

[WillyFive]

Well, you shouldn't agree with them, then.

Alright then. I won't.

You're making it sound like it all made sense in the end. Could you describe that miraculous ending I haven't been privy to?

Look it up yourself. There is no reason to give every ending to every character's story here, when you are obviously more than capable of looking things up.

That's quite vague. Please elaborate and explain how the characters' motivations made sense.

Those are a lot of characters, but MiB wanted to get out, the others had to stop him. They were the candidates, and they couldn't go home until the job was done.

Please explain why the Man in Black would want to kill everybody off-island (and that's "everybody", or "EE", in Nicolas Cage terms).

Why not? He has shown to be ruthless, vengeful, and all around evil.

And while you're at it, please explain why he attacked the temple in the first place. He wanted to get to the candidates. Fine. But why the massacre? The only "explanation" we got was that he didn't want those guys to kill him so he defended himself. Ridiculous, as he can't be killed anyway (or you'd have to remove the magical plug first).

The candidates might be with them, and he made sure he was thorough. What else do you need?

Was it the island or Jacob?
Jacob said something about the island keeping the evil trapped, and that could be seen as a reference to the Smoke Monster, yes, but the rest of the show tells us that the Man in Black had to kill (indirectly) Jacob and his candidates in order to leave the island.
The Man in Black decided to destroy the island on a whim, after Widmore whispered why Desmond was there in his ear. It wasn't part of his plans before that (heck, he had even ordered Sayid to go and kill Desmond). He just wanted to leave, and he didn't consider the island itself to be an issue, apparently.

The island held MiB, Jacob held the island. You get rid of Jacob, you can go ahead with getting rid of the island. You get rid of the island, he's free. That's it.

Again, you're just not paying attention, that's all...

And you are not enjoying the story or the show. Sucks to be you, because the story is fantastic, and you are ruining it for yourself for complaining that there isn't an explanation for the Power Rangers wearing the same color clothes when they aren't morphed.

 

[Solo]

I have been trying to figure what exactly they did to make that episode so emotional.

Showed a bunch of clips from previous seasons when the show was still amazing. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

 

[Blader]

Showed a bunch of clips from previous seasons when the show was still amazing. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

The 5 second clip shows were hardly the high points of the finale; they barely even registered for me.

Spoiler

go bruins

 

[Solo]

I dunno, almost everything that got me emotional during the finale was a "remembrance" scene.

Bruins are gonna get Locke'd.

 

[WillyFive]

Showed a bunch of clips from previous seasons when the show was still amazing. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

No, not that. Anyone can do that.

I credit the directing and music.

 

[Aristion]

Did they, really? Who was he a threat to? He was stuck on the island. Jacob could simply stop bringing a bunch of people on the island, and there you go, problem solved.

Jacob was trying to prove MIB wrong, and to change his attitude so that Jacob wouldn't have to protect the Island from him. It's explained in "Ab Aeterno".

 

[Erigu]

Look it up yourself.

"It all made sense in the end, and I don't have to explain how: just go and watch the show!"
I'm afraid that's not going to fly, man. Try harder.

MiB wanted to get out

And kill every single human being (or even living being? it's hard to tell, really!).
Why?

the others had to stop him.

They wanted to kill him. Because he's a murderer (and not the nice kind of murderers that gets a pass, like Sawyer, Kate, Locke...). Something we've known since the pilot, but he finally killed main characters, so it's on, now!
And a good way to stop him would be to simply stay alive, as far as the candidates are concerned.
(then again, they weren't candidates anymore once Jack drank that thing, and the guy didn't think of using his new powers to make convenient rules... that's really too bad!)

They were the candidates, and they couldn't go home until the job was done.

Again: why not? He was trapped on a magically forsaken island.

Not that there wouldn't have been far simpler ways to get rid of the guy...
Even assuming the reason Jack could go in that cave was that he drank some magical liquid, Jacob could have done the same thing, logically, right? Too bad he didn't put his life on the line that way, instead of stupidly letting Ben stab him (I guess it would have made too much sense for him to try and fix his own mistake).
And again, no need to bring a whole bunch of people (candidates and non-candidates) on the island.

Why not?

Yeah, you're right: why wouldn't he kill the entire world population, indeed? Obviously, that's just me asking the wrong questions, here!

The candidates might be with them

You don't even read what you're replying to, do you...?

he made sure he was thorough. What else do you need?

An answer that makes some kind of sense?
How does killing all those people help him in any way?

The island held MiB, Jacob held the island. You get rid of Jacob, you can go ahead with getting rid of the island.

And how do you "get rid of the island", again?
Again, you don't even bother reading what you're replying to...

you are not enjoying the story or the show.

Oh, but I am. It's so bad (and yet pretentious) it's kinda fascinating.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

lol, erigu trying to argue, lol.

 

[WillyFive]

Amazing, no matter what I say, it seems he goes back to the same babble as before, as if his mind mentally blocked out what I said. Very detailed and confusing replies didn't work, and very simple ones didn't work either.

Why do you find it so hard?

 

[.GqueB.]

I have been trying to figure what exactly they did to make that episode so emotional. I was also very moved by the episode, incredibly so. It's like Titanic, but with a happy ending.

It's a masterpiece of a TV episode, better than a lot of movies out there. I remember Jin and Sun's scene being extremely emotional.

It was two hours of pure nostalgia pretty much. Like the last scene of Toy story 3 played over and over again.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Going through my latest rewatch I'm up to The Constant(S4), probably watch it tonight. Man, so far S4(the first 4 eps) is worse than I remember and those weren't good memories to begin with. Only thing good through the first 4 eps was Jack putting a gun to Locke's head and pulling the trigger, everything else has been blah. Then there's still "The Other Woman", "Ji Yeon" and "Meet Kevin Johnson"...that range from crap to below mediocre. I really despise this season. The Constant is good, as well as Ben losing his daughter episode and the Island moving at the end/finding out who's in the coffin...but really this season is just blah.

S3 was a letdown as well for the most part on my latest rewatch although it had a few shining moments...mostly involving Locke blowing up things and anything related to Desmond and his flashes.

I think I'd rank the seasons 1, 5, 6, 2, 3, 4 at this point.

I reccommended Lost to a couple in my building and they're watching it now. They seem to be happy with S1 so far but I hope S3 or S4 doesn't lose them.

 

[Erigu]

Jacob was trying to prove MIB wrong, and to change his attitude so that Jacob wouldn't have to protect the Island from him. It's explained in "Ab Aeterno".

That last part isn't, actually (besides, the island apparently still needs a protector after the Man in Black's death).
Not that it makes sense anyway:
Jacob wanted to prove the Man in Black wrong about people. The idea apparently was that the Man in Black had nothing but contempt for them ("they're just going to fuck everything up as usual, stop bringing them here, damnit!"), and Jacob wanted to show him that they don't necessarily corrupt / destroy / etc.
Thing is, if Jacob wants to change his brother's mind so he wouldn't have to protect the island from him anymore, doesn't that mean that the Man in Black himself is all about corrupting / destroying / etc in the first place?
That's a pretty big contradiction between what we're shown in the season 5 finale and what goes on in season 6.

Very detailed and confusing replies didn't work, and very simple ones didn't work either.

The problem is that you're not making sense. I explained why. Try and read, for a change?

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Going through my latest rewatch I'm up to The Constant(S4), probably watch it tonight. Man, so far S4(the first 4 eps) is worse than I remember and those weren't good memories to begin with. Only thing good through the first 4 eps was Jack putting a gun to Locke's head and pulling the trigger, everything else has been blah. Then there's still "The Other Woman", "Ji Yeon" and "Meet Kevin Johnson"...that range from crap to below mediocre. I really despise this season. The Constant is good, as well as Ben losing his daughter episode and the Island moving at the end/finding out who's in the coffin...but really this season is just blah.

S3 was a letdown as well for the most part on my latest rewatch although it had a few shining moments...mostly involving Locke blowing up things and anything related to Desmond and his flashes.

I think I'd rank the seasons 1, 5, 6, 2, 3, 4 at this point.

I reccommended Lost to a couple in my building and they're watching it now. They seem to be happy with S1 so far but I hope S3 or S4 doesn't lose them.

Does posts like this, not prove thats all just a matter of opinion.

And lol at people saying its just the flashes that make the final episode good.

Its 5 minutes of flashes in a 105 minutes episode.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I can totally get how some were disappointed by the finale, but gosh, for me, it's my favorite episode of tv, ever. Hell, we could probably included movies/book/etc. It's just unbelievably emotionally affecting to me.

I'm gonna thinking about this all day.

I feel the same.

Greatest episode of TV ive ever seen by far.

 

[Erigu]

Does posts like this, not prove thats all just a matter of opinion.

Not regarding the quality of the writing, nope.

 

[EliCash]

That last part isn't, actually (besides, the island apparently still needs a protector after the Man in Black's death).
Not that it makes sense anyway:
Jacob wanted to prove the Man in Black wrong about people. The idea apparently was that the Man in Black had nothing but contempt for them ("they're just going to fuck everything up as usual, stop bringing them here, damnit!"), and Jacob wanted to show him that they don't necessarily corrupt / destroy / etc.
Thing is, if Jacob wants to change his brother's mind so he wouldn't have to protect the island from him anymore, doesn't that mean that the Man in Black himself is all about corrupting / destroying / etc in the first place?
That's a pretty big contradiction between what we're shown in the season 5 finale and what goes on in season 6.

This is a very good point. The Jacob and MIB scenario was very intriguing due to that initial scene, but season 6 left a lot to be desired - it's a pretty glaring contradiction. What still doesn't sit well with me is the Christian/MIB scenario, I would have actually accepted and liked it if it was revealed that Christian was in fact not MIB; even if nothing was explained. No explanation is better than a vague and incomplete/bad one. Lost suffered when it came to exposition more often than not.

Edit: And of course, worst of all, is the Cabin. I just read your analysis of it which I ignored when you first posted it. It's something that's always annoyed me, because I remember at the time the Cabin was introduced in S3 I found it so incredibly interesting, this was back when I thought LOST was absolutely undoubtedly genius (a belief that has almost completely receeded unfortunately, I blame the majority of S6 for that). But I'm happy at the fact I can still say that I enjoyed the 6 years I spent with Lost, warts and all. This isn't a delusion or a hopeful belief, I did. Enjoyed is an understatement actually. It's just disappointing that the vague/passing explanations that were given don't live up to the promise of the mysteries.

Anyway, people should probably stop getting annoyed at the fact Erigu is criticizing the show and read what he actually says, you can still be a fan of Lost and be disappointed by aspects of it. Having said that, I still question, Erigu, why you're spending so much time thinking about something you clearly don't enjoy? But whatever, it's your time spend it how you wish. You have an incredible working knowledge of something you hate, I'd love to see you interpret and analyze the Bible. That'd be something.

 

[Erigu]

I still question, Erigu, why you're spending so much time thinking about something you clearly don't enjoy?

I just like trying to make sense of fictional universes. Seeing how they work, or why they don't. I do that for a whole bunch of stuff (even some titles I've never actually watched/read... thanks, internet!).

You have an incredible working knowledge of something you hate

I wouldn't say I "hate" the show in itself. It's such a nonsensical clusterfuck it's amusing (like, say, Heroes, the Event, or the new V).
It's the writers' attitude and the critical praise that annoy me. It's a successful scam, basically. And it sets an unfortunate precedent: I really wouldn't mind a US TV show that actually does what Lost pretended to be doing (SF / fantasy, large cast, complex plot revealed via tricky-yet-consistent storytelling, etc), but why would TV writers bother? You can write inconsistent, nonsensical drivel for years, and as long as you manage to lie convincingly about it, you can still make a fortune!

I'd love to see you interpret and analyze the Bible. That'd be something.

I think I'd be really late to the party, for that one!

 

[Catalix]

Neoism, what have you done?!

 

[gdt]

Oh god look at her ankles nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

just kidding. Good for her.


Fucking Charlie.

 

[Wario64]

I finally finished this damn show today, thankfully I didn't have to login to PSN to view Netflix.

Great show, that is all. But fuck the origins story in Season 6.

 

[oatmeal]

Holy shit!

The ODI just released a 3 hour podcast!

GOING TO LISTEN NOW!!!

(EDIT)
BY just, I mean...a week and a half ago!

 

[Radogol]

The ODI just released a 3 hour podcast!

So? Odi is a fraud.

 

[PumpkinPie]

I think it would've been cool if they'd expanded on the whole 'Lost characters being part of Dharma' thing.

 

[LosDaddie]

GAF, help me understand S6 (mainly The End) and the whole alternate reality deal that was going on. The wife & I just finished LOST last night and we were, of course, confused.

Great TV show overall. I thought the finale was solid. The wife cried a few times.

 

[Solo]

Flashsideways = purgatory

 

[dave is ok]

GAF, help me understand S6 (mainly The End) and the whole alternate reality deal that was going on. The wife & I just finished LOST last night and we were, of course, confused.

Great TV show overall. I thought the finale was solid. The wife cried a few times.

I know someone who would be happy to answer any questions you may have.

*turns on the Erigu signal*

 

[Kosmo]

GAF, help me understand S6 (mainly The End) and the whole alternate reality deal that was going on. The wife & I just finished LOST last night and we were, of course, confused.

Great TV show overall. I thought the finale was solid. The wife cried a few times.

The flash sideways was purgatory/some alternate area where people go before going to heaven. All of them lived their lives and didn't necessarily die and the age you see them in the church. The way I interpreted it was that when you go into heaven (if you're into that belief) you go there with the people that were most important to you and remember them how you remembered them at the most important times in your lives together.

So Hurley might have died when he was 70, but Jack has the fondest memory of him in his 20's (or whatever) and this is how they remember each other for eternity. I don't know what people expected for the ending (giant battle with smokey??) but I thought it was great.

 

[SLYspyda]

Neoism, what have you done?!

Speaking of Kate...did anyone ever run into any magazine or article where she stated what her workout routine was? I loved her look in the last episodes....

 

[Yaweee]

The flash sideways was purgatory/some alternate area where people go before going to heaven. All of them lived their lives and didn't necessarily die and the age you see them in the church. The way I interpreted it was that when you go into heaven (if you're into that belief) you go there with the people that were most important to you and remember them how you remembered them at the most important times in your lives together.

So Hurley might have died when he was 70, but Jack has the fondest memory of him in his 20's (or whatever) and this is how they remember each other for eternity. I don't know what people expected for the ending (giant battle with smokey??) but I thought it was great.

A few notes:

- They weren't necessarily going to 'heaven', just the next world, which is unspecified, which leaves the possibility of infinite worlds. The show's mythology goes back longer than anyone knows, will continue into the future for longer than anybody knows, and the layered worlds may repeat that pattern.

- Everybody is roughly as they were during the island era, but for no real specified reason.

- Kate's "I missed you for so much" to Jack in the finale implies she lived a long life without him, just as Rose says the same thing to Bernard in the S6 premiere (hinting that the cancer patient eventually outlived her husband).

 

[LosDaddie]

*turns on the Erigu signal*

:lol I read the first 10 or so pages (50 PPP fo life!) of this thread before asking my question, and I was surprised to see Erigu still arguing here on the most recent page. :lol

The flash sideways was purgatory/some alternate area where people go before going to heaven. All of them lived their lives and didn't necessarily die and the age you see them in the church. The way I interpreted it was that when you go into heaven (if you're into that belief) you go there with the people that were most important to you and remember them how you remembered them at the most important times in your lives together.

So Hurley might have died when he was 70, but Jack has the fondest memory of him in his 20's (or whatever) and this is how they remember each other for eternity. I don't know what people expected for the ending (giant battle with smokey??) but I thought it was great.

Word. Thanks! Makes more sense now.

And yeah, I was pretty satisfied with the finale. Kinda sad to see the series end, but it was inevitable. One of my top TV shows of all time, definitely.

A few notes:

- They weren't necessarily going to 'heaven', just the next world, which is unspecified, which leaves the possibility of infinite worlds. The show's mythology goes back longer than anyone knows, will continue into the future for longer than anybody knows, and the layered worlds may repeat that pattern.

- Everybody is roughly as they were during the island era, but for no real specified reason.

- Kate's "I missed you for so much" to Jack in the finale implies she lived a long life without him, just as Rose says the same thing to Bernard in the S6 premiere (hinting that the cancer patient eventually outlived her husband).

Nice. I like reading different takes on the ending.

 

[Erigu]

The way I interpreted it was that when you go into heaven (if you're into that belief) you go there with the people that were most important to you and remember them how you remembered them at the most important times in your lives together.

Sucks for the kids! Maybe they were just really boring.

They weren't necessarily going to 'heaven', just the next world, which is unspecified, which leaves the possibility of infinite worlds.

Like I said earlier, I think they're going back to past episodes to troll their former selves with cryptic foreshadowing that will never pay off.
I mean, that Charlie ghost (for example) had to come from somewhere, right?
It would only make sense.

Kate's "I missed you for so much" to Jack in the finale implies she lived a long life without him, just as Rose says the same thing to Bernard in the S6 premiere (hinting that the cancer patient eventually outlived her husband).

That's assuming they knew it was the afterlife back when they wrote that scene in the plane. Quite bold!

 

[Yaweee]

Sucks for the kids! Maybe they were just really boring.



Like I said earlier, I think they're going back to past episodes to troll their former selves with cryptic foreshadowing that will never pay off.
I mean, that Charlie ghost (for example) had to come from somewhere, right?
It would only make sense.


That's assuming they knew it was the afterlife back when they wrote that scene in the plane. Quite bold!

Oh come on, you seriously think they didn't even know the meaning of the Flash Sideways at the beginning of S6? Now that's bold!

 

[Erigu]

Oh come on, you seriously think they didn't even know meaning of the Flash Sideways at the beginning of S6?

"Meaning" is such a big word, for those two...
But yeah, I think that was a change of plans late in the season.
(... although I guess "plan" is another big word)

 

[Salmonax]

Oh come on, you seriously think they didn't even know the meaning of the Flash Sideways at the beginning of S6? Now that's bold!

Either they did know and they planted the island underwater as a red herring, or they didn't know and it ended up being a mistake. Sorta lose/lose on that one.

That said, I loved the reveal when the camera went through the window of the plane and into the ocean. I guess that's sort of a microcosm of my experience with Lost. I loved the initial experience of those ballsy oh-no-they-didn't moments enough that I can more or less forgive that they didn't ultimately pan out.

 

[Yaweee]

Either they did know and they planted the island underwater as a red herring, or they didn't know and it ended up being a mistake. Sorta lose/lose on that one.

There's a bunch of red herrings because they're dicks, but there are far more signs in the premiere leaning toward afterlife than there are the alternate theories (like Juliette's dialogue being from the finale).

 

[dave is ok]

There's a bunch of re herrings because they're dicks, but there are far more signs in the premiere leaning toward afterlife than there are the alternate theories (like Juliette's dialogue being from the finale).

There's no way they could have retroactively engineered her gibberish into meaningful dialogue in the finale. Rock solid

 

[Yaweee]

There's no way they could have retroactively engineered her gibberish into meaningful dialogue in the finale. Rock solid

Yeah, it's always possible to change courses or decide things later, but at what point do you make the distinction between run of the mill open-ended writing and actually having somewhat of a plan? Dismissing everything comes off as kind of ridiculous.

 

[Erigu]

I loved the reveal when the camera went through the window of the plane and into the ocean. I guess that's sort of a microcosm of my experience with Lost. I loved the initial experience of those ballsy oh-no-they-didn't moments enough that I can more or less forgive that they didn't ultimately pan out.

It just seems so easy to do that kind of shit if you don't care about whether or not it will work / make sense in the end.
"Wouldn't it be cool if..."
I mean, that's how Axe Cop is written. Sure, it can be a lot of fun, but the moment the writers start pretending their overall story was planned out, serious business human drama and, like, deep, man...

There's a bunch of re herrings because they're dicks, but there are far more signs in the premiere leaning toward afterlife than there are the alternate theories (like Juliette's dialogue being from the finale).

How do Juliet's last lines (actually spoken or otherwise) hint more at "afterlife" specifically?


EDIT: I didn't know Martin had reacted regarding Damon "Drama Queen" Lindelof's feud thingy...

 

[oatmeal]

Fun little tidbit about my life...

Wife and I found out we are having a boy today, and the name we agreed on?


SAWYER JAMES


Suck it, Jack.

 

[Salsa]

My dad finished the series yesterday

should be interesting talking with him about it today

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I remember reading the glory of LOST-GAF back in the lurk days. After watching the weeks episode I would come on to GAF and read through the entire episode thread each week. Good times.

One day I'll go back!

 

[Zeliard]

EDIT: I didn't know Martin had reacted regarding Damon "Drama Queen" Lindelof's feud thingy...

Really liked GRRM elaborating on the nature of television shows and their endings in that last part.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

I was in Oahu a couple of weeks ago and hit some LOST sites. I have more, but these are the only ones I uploaded.

I touched the sub, but they wouldn't let me climb on it. It was being stored in an old WWII bunker.

20 fan points for whoever knows this one...

The crash survivor's beach camp. This was AWESOME to see in person.

Water was low, but this is right near where the water goes underground at the Heart of the Island.

"Guys, where are we?" Standing on Hurley's golf course, actually.

 

[ErasureAcer]

I was in Oahu a couple of weeks ago and hit some LOST sites. I have more, but these are the only ones I uploaded.

20 fan points for whoever knows this one...

The tree Kate and Tom hid their time capsule at?

 

[Red UFO]

I was in Oahu a couple of weeks ago and hit some LOST sites. I have more, but these are the only ones I uploaded.

I touched the sub, but they wouldn't let me climb on it. It was being stored in an old WWII bunker.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5670564892_b64c13cc16_b.jpg[img]

[B]20 fan points for whoever knows this one...[/B]

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/5669981789_c5af3566db_b.jpg

The crash survivor's beach camp. This was AWESOME to see in person.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5669981661_3543392c6d_b.jpg[img]

[B]Water was low, but this is right near where the water goes underground at the Heart of the Island.[/B]

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5309/5670549628_cd5e5c170c_b.jpg[img]

[B]"Guys, where are we?" Standing on Hurley's golf course, actually.[/B]

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5146/5669981167_23848faf56_b.jpg[img][/QUOTE]

AWESOME. Is that tree from that Kate episode, where they dig up that tape?