BenjaminBirdie
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Drealmcc0y said:
What does that have to do with anything?
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What does that have to do with anything?
Drealmcc0y
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oatmeal said:
I watched that till about season 2 then stopped, it was pretty good for what it was I guess.
water_wendi
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Ah okay. i was just wondering because ive never seen a Lost fan completely enslaved and owned as much by the show as you.Erigu said:
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Erigu said:
Apparently you dont like the show yet it seemingly consumes you.
Erigu said:
How misleading...
He's talking about before the pilot had even aired. Nothing like LOST had ever been done before, they probably didn't think it would get picked up, let alone air and become a sensation.
Damon is being his usual self there, self-depricating...
And everyone knows that the first season was mostly shit thrown at the wall and the mythology was figured out in between season 1 or 2.
Nothing new in that article, and it's not as negative as the lame link you provided suggests.
Basically, they were given a weekend to come up with an outline for the pilot...they did, and they shot it a couple months later. Kind of unheard of at the time...of course they didn't have time to plot everything out in that time.
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For those that want to read the REAL article...
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/lost-writer-gives-detailed-account-show-185759431.html
Yeah, he also clarified on Twitter. Clearly, they didn't know what the whispers were yet then, of course not, but, y'know, 5+ years later... So it's all good!oatmeal said:
False alarm, guys! Lindelof is still a lying douche.
Yeah, I still find that story about as convincing as the plot of the show.
Some nice comments over at Videogum:
Loved the bit about how the show made him "miserable", too. Sadly, no Giacchino score to sell it.jonpernisek said:
Two sides!! Light and dark!! Genius!!
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Oh no...it's HAPPENING AGAIN.
As for this:
Or retconned ("if you want your child to live, every time you hear whispers, you run the other way!")
I'm not sure what's wrong with that...especially if you assume it was used as a way to scare Danielle. Ben didn't really know much about anything anyways, so perhaps he just knew about the whispers and used them for his advantage.
Uhmm...if he was told that the show was a way to get to know Abrams, and get a shot at working on his primetime hit ALIAS, and was told by both his agent and JJ that the show wasn't going to go anywhere...why would he think differently?
I'm sure he WANTED it to get picked up, but he was being cautiously optimistic about it? Or pessimistic...depends on how your glass sits.
The dude lived and breathed LOST for six years...even "good show runners" would get tired of producing that much television per year. I'm sure he loved it, but it was very overbearing for someone who had no showrunning experience. He had the most popular new show on TV and had huge expectations and was the first showrunner to be the face of a show.
Interviewed on talk-shows, constantly being asked questions...
How would that not be hard on someone?
Why not throw some common themes into the mix, and if you need to call back to them, you can? Once you have some acual time to spend on figuring out what you're doing, see if you can build on those themes?
It's not like he can ever go back and change the pilot...once an episode is wrapped, there's no going "oh shit, I should have done this!!!"
We'll never know. But that's what we've been told.
So someone like you, who has a personal vendetta against them, will assume the worst. Someone like me? Who enjoyed them the entire time, will take them for their word.
*shrug*
Opinion.Erigu said:
As for this:
Or retconned ("if you want your child to live, every time you hear whispers, you run the other way!")
I'm not sure what's wrong with that...especially if you assume it was used as a way to scare Danielle. Ben didn't really know much about anything anyways, so perhaps he just knew about the whispers and used them for his advantage.
Erigu said:
Uhmm...if he was told that the show was a way to get to know Abrams, and get a shot at working on his primetime hit ALIAS, and was told by both his agent and JJ that the show wasn't going to go anywhere...why would he think differently?
I'm sure he WANTED it to get picked up, but he was being cautiously optimistic about it? Or pessimistic...depends on how your glass sits.
Erigu said:
The dude lived and breathed LOST for six years...even "good show runners" would get tired of producing that much television per year. I'm sure he loved it, but it was very overbearing for someone who had no showrunning experience. He had the most popular new show on TV and had huge expectations and was the first showrunner to be the face of a show.
Interviewed on talk-shows, constantly being asked questions...
How would that not be hard on someone?
Erigu said:
Why not throw some common themes into the mix, and if you need to call back to them, you can? Once you have some acual time to spend on figuring out what you're doing, see if you can build on those themes?
It's not like he can ever go back and change the pilot...once an episode is wrapped, there's no going "oh shit, I should have done this!!!"
Erigu said:
We'll never know. But that's what we've been told.
So someone like you, who has a personal vendetta against them, will assume the worst. Someone like me? Who enjoyed them the entire time, will take them for their word.
*shrug*
Supported by the show.oatmeal said:
"Ah, Ben! So you took her newborn at gunpoint?
-Sure did.
-Did you scare her?
-Oh, shit! I completely forgot about that part!"
I dunno, Ben. Seems superfluous, at this point.
Also: the whispers? Whah? Why bring that up? How does that even...?
(just kidding, of course: he wasn't supposed to take the baby, but to kill it, because... well, Ben = good guy and Widmore = bad guy, in that flashback, so there)
In the end, no, he didn't.
One could even argue that was a retcon in itself, actually. Especially considering pretty much all mysterious characters ended up like that, in the end. Boy, it's almost as if the writers themselves didn't know much about anything! Crazy thought.
Seriously, now. The whispers were clearly associated with the Others (Fury confirmed that, too, but of course he's a filthy traitor, so hey), and that lasted a loooong time, yes, even up to that scene where it's pretty clear Ben is saying that so Rousseau would stay away from the Others / his people. And that's season 5.
Yeah, it was just this little most expensive pilot episode ever.
Sounded a lot like "who cares [what the noise is]?"
Except I don't think it was because they were counting on the series to fail (right). I think it's pretty clear that "who cares?" state of mind lasted the whole show, hence why they only had a few (silly) answers in the end.
He actually talks about the terrible pressure of having to know why there are polar bears on that island. Damn, how could you expect a writer to know what's going on with the story? That's just insane.
And he was "the face of the show", indeed. How unusual was it for showrunners to stay ("we know what we're doing") so much ("we know what all those weird things are") in touch ("don't worry") with their ("keep watching and you'll be rewarded") viewers? Pretty damn unusual. That bad, huh?
Yeah, I bet the show would have been shorter without all that, Damon...
I was just saying that people have argued (here, even) that it wasn't "mostly shit thrown at the wall", there...
Apparently, we agree that it was. I just don't think it was limited to season 1.
Well, I watched the actual show, too.
You really think they knew what the monster was, when Ben summoned the thing in season 4, for example?
brandonh83
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Solo said:
it seems to bother you >_<
Well, I try not to post unless I feel I have something to add. Despite all the scorn Lindelof and Cuse deserve, negative criticism was a bit of an underrepresented position, here, and I'm more than happy to stand in for those who quit the show before the end and thus can't discuss how utterly stupid the latter seasons were.Zeliard said:
evil solrac v3.0
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Erigu said:
you have never added nothing of value to the discussion.
when someone gives you a clear answer that doesn't fit your pigeon-holed point of view you crawl back to your hole, much like MiB.
for six years we had plenty, PLENTY of people who argued back and forth, pro and con, the merits of Lost as a show. none were ever as condencesding as you have been. all these little "gotcha" interviews that you keep digging up? we've been over them, we've dissected them, we know what they are.
you can't seem to interpret meaning or gleam what he is really talking about. and what the hell would you know whether the show threads we had were love fests? you didn't post in them. there are always detractors. do your self a favor and find another hobby other than stalking Lindelof and Cuse.
evil solrac v3.0 said:
Seriously? He backs up most of his stuff with actual facts and understands the show and it's fault better than a lot of people in his thread. He started getting condescending when the Lost circle jerk club couldn't find faults in his argument so he just started attacking him.
Spotless Mind
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I love your posts evil solrac. They're always good for a laugh.
Erigu said:
There's probably no point.
You're kind of the king of the 'last word'.
Even when you're wrong, or at the very least, not right, you still continue to reply and it's exhausting to read it.
And lately, a lot of things are 'he said/she said'...there's no RIGHT answer. It's either if you believe them or not.
C'est la vie
I'm persistent, sure. Then again, I draw a lot of confidence from my interlocutors' lack of arguments. YOU'RE MAKING ME MORE POWERFUL.oatmeal said:
Seriously, try some examples. Saying "there's no point" is a weak-ass excuse.
Again, you seem to forget the show is right there. You can tell things based on the show. Like, y'know, how the writers clearly didn't give a fuck? Did I make that point yet? I thought I did.
There.
I joined because I thought there were a lot of good topics on NeoGAF.
Then, one day, I figured I'd go and take a look at how the Lost finale went over.
That was disappointing. "Maybe they're being ironic! ... Oh... Oh... They aren't, are they? But maybe they'll just need some time to realize how terrible that was! Oh... Oh..."
(also, I didn't post in that topic right away just to confuse evil solrac v3.0: who would ever imagine people could simply read topics, right? it was a perfect plan)
Yeah, I loved the replies.
Indeed.Erigu said:
You say this...but...Erigu said:
I disagree. But no matter what I'd say, you'll never agree with me. I could make the best case for how the writers 'gave a fuck' about the show and you'd dismiss it.Erigu said:
Soooo...again..."no point".
Oh, I didn't even think about linking the post. That's way better than what I did.Erigu said:
There's obviously a reason that we liked the show. It wasn't due to lack of 'delving deep into the inner workings of the show', it was a combined experience. I've never experienced anything quite like LOST-Gaf. It was my favorite 'forum' experience (I am saying that word too much) ever.Erigu said:
Sometimes you just have to realize that this is bigger than you. For all the missteps the show took, it took plenty of great ones.
Erigu said:
I called you a hurt pussy!
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Hey Erigu, is there a faster way to do the multi quote thing?
I copy the quote tags and paste them above and below every chunk I want to reply to. Is there a more efficient way?
oatmeal said:
yeah, I guess you are right. He is kind of a dick. But his analysis is mostly on point, and most people just seem to pop up to bash him rather than his argument. I'd rather read a discussion of the merits of the show rather than people posting how awesome Walkabout was for the 500th time.
I guess I also tend to agree with what he says for the most part so maybe I'm biased. I loved the show at first, but just felt it completely fell apart in last two seasons.
bachikarn said:
No one here (maybe Drealmcoy) has any problem with criticism of the show. No one here thinks it's perfect (again, maybe Dreal)...but there's a difference between pointing out flaws, and hammering them into our collective skulls.
The biggest problem is that he ignores everything that is great that the show did. It didn't survive for six seasons with a massive fanbase on smoke and mirrors alone. It DID use the mystery element as a hook to keep people interested, but there was a lot of other things going on as well.
Erigu is a smart dude. English isn't his first language, and he still posts incredibly coherently (almost too coherently...). He knows a ton about the show, and his Googling-ability is second to none.
He just has a way of getting under your skin because he posts from a pedestal about this show.
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