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Louie Season 4 |OT| He's finally back, Mondays on FX [S5 premieres Apr 9]
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^that's been said every season since season 2. I think people forget during the offseason how dramatic the show has been since pretty much the very beginning.
Pamela wanted a relationship at one time. Weeks later Louie asked again, she directly said no and then when he tried to force himself she repeatedly said no, physically tried to remove herself from the situation, fought him off, and made it to the door where she was physically trapped again and had to acquiesce to a kiss to escape. It was attempted rape and it was cheap and desperate and pathetic and evil. The bit of Louie's says almost exactly that Pamela is going to feel betrayed and violated.
Nooooooo. That's like, the complete opposite of the point of that bit. The point is that no decent person should ever force themselves on someone like that, because it's rape. Even if the person later claims they wanted to be forced. That's not healthy, legal, consensual, or emotionally honest.
Pamela wanted a relationship at one time. Weeks later Louie asked again, she directly said no and then when he tried to force himself she repeatedly said no, physically tried to remove herself from the situation, fought him off, and made it to the door where she was physically trapped again and had to acquiesce to a kiss to escape. It was attempted rape and it was cheap and desperate and pathetic and evil. The bit of Louie's says almost exactly that Pamela is going to feel betrayed and violated.
Pai Pai Master
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That may be true if Louie and Louis were the same person. Louis CK is aware of that weird "rapey" thing between a man and woman but Louie is so completely oblivious to EVERYTHING, that he thinks he's being manly and taking charge and that's what she wants him to do.
Man, thinking about Pam's situation right now is a bummer. Her romance failed and the kid stayed with the father, and now her close friend assaulted her.
Pamela parts 2 and 3 are going to be depressing as hell, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Louie comes back out of the woods to learn that she killed herself.
Pamela parts 2 and 3 are going to be depressing as hell, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Louie comes back out of the woods to learn that she killed herself.
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That feeling of guilt and disgust as I watched Louie forcibly push himself on Pamela was identical to what I felt when he pushed himself on Amia.
There was less of a reaction, last week. Why is that?
There was less of a reaction, last week. Why is that?
Because Amia's actions were completely different from Pamela's, and she truly seemed to consent at several moments, interrupted by moments where her mind was telling her that would just make it harder later on on an emotional level. I thought Balint's performance communicated this and her dialogue over the next parts of the episode (from her in bed to her at the dinner table breaking it off) confirmed that reading. Not that it didn't make me uncomfortable, but I thought that combination of blocking and performance depicted it as consensual. Consensually discomforting. Of course I'm open to other readings because I've never been in that situation.
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When he rolled back up the window while staring at him, I couldn't stop laughing. Season has been fantastic so far
That's pretty much how I read it. She didn't want to initially and got caught up in the moment. It happens, it's certainly happened for me from both directions (as in the pursuer and the pursued). In Pamela's case it was a firm no right from the beginning and she didn't budge which is why it was awkward and uncomfortable.
Yea that makes more sense
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- Poniewozik for Time.com: Rape, Relationships, and a Messy (for Good and Bad) Louie Season 4
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- Promo for next week's 90-minute Louie episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
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Sam Adams on the Elevator Arc for The New Republic:
- Louis C.K.'s Best Work Yet - Bringing you the Magyar Pixie Dream Girl
- Louis C.K.'s Best Work Yet - Bringing you the Magyar Pixie Dream Girl
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Oh man that's so sad that Hoffman was supposed to be in an episode this season. I would have LOVED him on this show.
TheExhaustedWalrus
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To watch the new episode or watch the Sony conference. Tough choice.
But I will say that so far this season has been my least favorite. I understand where Louie is trying to go with the deeper emotional storylines, and I can respect that because he can make those musings actually interesting most of the time. But the Elevator saga dragged. Sometimes I feel like Louie thinks he is being deep but there is really nothing there, or that he's pretty much covered it already. That being said, there are very few comedians or people, for that matter, who can blend tragedy and comedy together so well. Even if he misses the mark sometimes with the explorations he does, Louie always holds my interest as a man trying to tell a certain kind of story, which is what he's done with the show for 4 years now. I'll keep watching, even if his attempts occasionally lose me.
But I will say that so far this season has been my least favorite. I understand where Louie is trying to go with the deeper emotional storylines, and I can respect that because he can make those musings actually interesting most of the time. But the Elevator saga dragged. Sometimes I feel like Louie thinks he is being deep but there is really nothing there, or that he's pretty much covered it already. That being said, there are very few comedians or people, for that matter, who can blend tragedy and comedy together so well. Even if he misses the mark sometimes with the explorations he does, Louie always holds my interest as a man trying to tell a certain kind of story, which is what he's done with the show for 4 years now. I'll keep watching, even if his attempts occasionally lose me.
layzie1989
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I loved the Amia arc. I've come to expect the entire spectrum of emotion from this show, so the melancholy is just as great as the comedy. Just as Louie said, you need to feel both the happy and the sad.
Man, I didn't realize the conference was overlapping. I'll probably end up with the conference though, happens once a year.
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I'm sure many people before me have already said this, but I just wanted to agree with this post. I love Louie. I thought seasons 1 and 2 were perfect and 3, while exploring darker themes, was still able to balance it very well (and good GOD, I loved the jazz score in season 3). But this season has been mostly attempts at drama. And while I think the drama touches on many points that are of value, I think the lack of comedy to balance it has just made it overall very boring. I've been boggled at how his pursuit of Amnia has warranted as many episodes as it has. The language barrier has made for some touching moments as these two characters try to express feelings that'd be hard even to express with a common language, but the interactions don't have enough depth to necessitate all those episodes.
It would have still grown boring, but I think if he'd done the same thing with the "fat girl" early in the season, she could have at least sustained my interest through many more episodes than Amnia has. It would have been more interesting to see the tension between these two characters - one of which, perhaps still not wholly interested in the other - and she would have the skillset to push back on his own hypocrisies.
Ultimately, I've just found this season not playing to his strengths. His most insightful observations come with a tinge of humor and absurdity. When he's just trying to play it as straight drama, it's far less effective and I find myself far less engrossed in his plight. That's just me, of course.
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New episode tonight:
This is a standalone, 90 minute episode.
I feel like this is the overall theme this season. He has been talking about that a lot both in his stand up and his appearances on talk shows. We spend so much time/effort trying to avoid pain and discomfort...ultimately we suffer more as a result.
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It's on.
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Ah, the titular woods.
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There are two more next week. The conclusion of the Pamela arc.
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F Murray Abraham is the best.
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Louie learning lessons from everyone tonight.
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Man, how the fuck does he do it. These episodes tonight were just amazing. Brings you back to being the "good" kid in school, but you were capable of being just as much of a dickbag as kids who wore there inner awfulness on their sleeves.
And there is nothing worse than that feeling of disappointing the teachers that gave you a shot...
And the teacher's daughter, who he didn't want to bother with initially, was instantly catapulted out of his league the minute he made the confession. Ruining so much possibility in his life.
Man, everything about this episode(s) was pitch perfect.
And there is nothing worse than that feeling of disappointing the teachers that gave you a shot...
And the teacher's daughter, who he didn't want to bother with initially, was instantly catapulted out of his league the minute he made the confession. Ruining so much possibility in his life.
Man, everything about this episode(s) was pitch perfect.
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without question, a Top 5 episode
This dude just has an unbelievable grasp on the human condition. Holy shit. That was a mostly devastating episode, but at the end you've got that great moment between Louie and Lily. Great performance by Skipp Sudduth as the teacher as well. Man, seriously speechless after that.
I went with Louie. Really enjoying tonight's show so far. I'm a sucker for flashbacks.
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