Japan doesn't even composite their movies at 2K even in modern day, though. Only Ghibli does it that high afaik.
(sidenote: Innocence is sort-of a Ghibli movie)
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(sidenote: Innocence is sort-of a Ghibli movie)
heliosRAzi
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No, it's about five minutes long, actually. I wasn't only referring to that conversation, there's also the monologue on the boat. The films have conversations that don't push the story forward. Just like in the series, these scenes help build the world.
Metroid Killer
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The original movie was one of the first anime movies I ever watched (during my early teens) and it completely blew me away. Years later I was so damn lucky to watch Innocense in the theater(in Denmark no less, not even in Copenhagen!), and I ended up liking it even more than the first movie.
A friend of mine have the Stand Alone Complex series, but unfortunately the moved to England before I got to see them. I really need to watch them, especially considering how much I hate the current state of anime
A friend of mine have the Stand Alone Complex series, but unfortunately the moved to England before I got to see them. I really need to watch them, especially considering how much I hate the current state of anime
Possibly. I'd have to look it up. I'm not saying it looks awful or anything, mind, I'm just saying it could look better. Whether or not that is/was actually feasibly possible is another matter.
Rival badly preserved 35mm, maybe. You factually have a lot more resolution to play with in 35mm. Ponyo looks stunning - it's a perfect 'blu ray' film - but once we move onto 4K home formats the drawbacks of its 2K composite will be a bit more visible. I just think for a studio with all the resources of Ghibli and such a focus on its rich heritage, 2K masters in the 2010s are horrifically short sighted.
heliosRAzi
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And what's bad about mood setting or world building?
I'm not a huge anime fan but this series really sucked me in. I tore through it on Netflix pretty quickly. Just so well done with fantastic writing and even better pacing. I would say it hooked me almost as hard as Lost did. I also have a soft spot for cyber punk in general so that certainly contributed.
I'm a big fan of the original movie and all this did was go even deeper than the movie ever did in the best way. Even managed to keep the same amazing atmosphere of the movie. Can't ask for more.
I'm a big fan of the original movie and all this did was go even deeper than the movie ever did in the best way. Even managed to keep the same amazing atmosphere of the movie. Can't ask for more.
I see.
The JP BD is Worth The Money if you really love the movie, in any case. It's about as good as it'll look considering the limitations.
True. Then again with Ghibli's resources, they can probably afford to recomposite the movie in the future. They do 6K restorations of their film films (I just wanted to do this I don't usually use the term film for a movie) these days and not even Hollywood does higher than 4K for anything except 70mm movies.
That would be because most people think a 6K restoration of 35mm is silly. There's debate as to exactly how much working resolution you can get out of a 35mm print, but the consensus is that it's somewhere around the 4K/5K mark (though I've never heard of a 5K restoration). You double that with 70mm to get 8K.
Thanks bro. I plan to do many more LTTP/RTTP threads in the same style, probably do the same for 2nd Gig once I finish it. I might do a dual GITS/Innocence RTTP at some point if anyone is interested. I have a lot to say about those films. This thread seems to be moving in that direction anyway...
I'm interested.
heliosRAzi
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Yes, I know: show, don't tell. But there are times in the movie where they tell, and don't show. When the Major is drinking on the boat and Batou asks if she is drunk, she tells him that their bodies can actually break alcohol down without the stupor. What narrative purpose does that serve except to build a world where cyborgs don't go on drunken rampages? Batou should already know this, right? Another instance is when Batou asks the Chief if he ever questions the ethics of neurosurgeons when they monkey around in their brains. It sort of comes out of no where and only serves to build a world and present a concept of questioning your reality.
The show, however, has more time to go into world building by having episodes that don't directly deal with the main plot. These episodes have their own stories that deal with a few of the support characters, or organ/human trafficking, those who oppose cyberization vehemently, and other things.
World building isn't always bad
Will eagerly await you coming in to disagree with me
Anyway, it won't be until after I finish 2nd gig and Solid State Society. It'd be too awkward to skip between the two.
Hey, I only disagree with you some of the time.Will eagerly await you coming in to disagree with me
Do it before SSS. You'll understand why once you watch SSS. (and hopefully understand for my distaste for SSS in particular above the rest of SAC)
I can never shake the feeling that even when we agree you're somehow disagreeing!
heliosRAzi
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I don't distaste SSS, but I'm with pizzaroll, do it before SSS. When you do, you'll see why.
This seems to be a trend with people!
heliosRAzi
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Well, in my defense, you only posted ellipses. I didn't have much to go on.
Maybe it's because I saw the movies when I was a teenager instead of the other way around.I really loved the first movie back then. Then I saw the second movie and I loved that as well. I still love them, but I enjoy SAC a lot more. Nowadays, I sometimes find the movies to be a bit pretentious sometimes and hammer concepts into the viewers mind way too much, particularly in Innocence.Sometimes they awkwardly insert philosophy into the dialogue.
Maybe it's because I saw the movies when I was a teenager instead of the other way around.I really loved the first movie back then. Then I saw the second movie and I loved that as well. I still love them, but I enjoy SAC a lot more. Nowadays, I sometimes find the movies to be a bit pretentious sometimes and hammer concepts into the viewers mind way too much, particularly in Innocence.Sometimes they awkwardly insert philosophy into the dialogue.
Nothing in the movies is pretentious (using the actually definition of the word) except for the presence of basset hounds.
heliosRAzi
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They can be pretentious and awkward, especially the quotes in the second movie. Sorry, but spouting quotes for a good chunk of the movie comes off as pretentious to me.
And I'm telling you, Oshii is obsessed with basset hounds. If we were to find him walking in the street, he'd be walking a basset hound while wearing a basset hound shirt and he'll probably be wearing a hat with floppy ears.
And I'm telling you, Oshii is obsessed with basset hounds. If we were to find him walking in the street, he'd be walking a basset hound while wearing a basset hound shirt and he'll probably be wearing a hat with floppy ears.
It's not pretentious or awkward given the subject matter the characters are discussing. They are fitting.
heliosRAzi
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To me, even given the subject matter, it comes across as pretentious and awkward. The Major, in the middle of a fight busts out a quote about how us humans tend to care more about birds and other cuddly things than for the more grotesque animals such as cockroaches. Did she really need to say that in the middle of a gunfight? No.
A few times of it would have been alright, but when a lot of the dialogue are just quotes, it becomes pretentious as in an unwarranted display of dignity or importance.
A few times of it would have been alright, but when a lot of the dialogue are just quotes, it becomes pretentious as in an unwarranted display of dignity or importance.
Well, there might be a difference, but I really can't see how the average person would even notice all that much when it comes to hand drawn animation. Hand drawn animation is only as detailed as the artist draws it. It doesn't have the same benefit from a resolution bump as a real life movie.
Again, not to say there isn't necessarily a difference.
heliosRAzi
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EDIT - I'll respect Suairyu's wish like I should have the first time.
I think movie discussion is perfectly fine in a thread about SAC -- considering their similarities and differences. It's worthy discussion.
heliosRAzi
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What? I was going to continue the SAC vs Movies debate, but then I saw your post. I hope I haven't posted a spoiler; I've been trying to stay really vague and just talking about the concepts.
I know chief I'm being silly.
No it's that I saw "EDIT - I'll respect Suairyu's wish like I should have the first time" and assumed the worst. What was it over?
heliosRAzi
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I dunno. I forgot.
heliosRAzi
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Even though the basset hound in Innocence was just probably Oshii being Oshii, it totally works because of how droopy and flabby basset hounds are. It results in some really really lively and expressive animation from Toshiyuki Inoue. One of the most well-animated animals I've seen in animation (and that includes Disney movies.)
Recheck this shit out
Recheck this shit out
heliosRAzi
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The final assault in Innocence is one of my most favorite sequences ever. The music, the visuals, and the animation just makes it so awesome.
The dog scene in Innocence is very indulgent on behalf of the director, yes, but it serves to highlight the mundanity in Batou's life ever since he lost he "pointman". He's a little bit dead inside. He loves his dog but doesn't even show it that much until after his traumatic moment in the shop. He's just in his apartment, staring into space. He pets the dog more out of obligation and routine than any joy he gets from it.
And that mundanity is important because it shows both his emotional and literal (cyber) vulnerability. His routine orientated life makes him sloppy.
And then he has that moment and the whole experience snaps him out of it and refocusses him. Then they bring his dog in and he's just so happy, because it's like the whole incident lit a fire under his ass and woke him up.
And that mundanity is important because it shows both his emotional and literal (cyber) vulnerability. His routine orientated life makes him sloppy.
And then he has that moment and the whole experience snaps him out of it and refocusses him. Then they bring his dog in and he's just so happy, because it's like the whole incident lit a fire under his ass and woke him up.
Oh I agree with that, I'm not saying the scene itself (I've always enjoyed it) was Oshii being Oshii, just the choice of dog.
Yes, absolutely, but it was indulgent all the same. It served a purpose, but there were other ways to show that, and probably a bit more efficiently, too. He just wanted to do with the dog because he's Oshii
It reminds me of the scene halfway through Inglorious Basterds. You know the one. All that dialogue. And, great, Tarantino gets dialogue and talking scenes very well and it served a purpose but... well, it was fucking indulgent on his behalf and there are a million other ways he could have done it but he didn't because he's Tarantino and that's okay.
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doll also has bright blue eyes (which have a sort of emphasis in that ending shot so it should be important) just like the sexbots. Could be a hint at something else.
It's going to be a while until the GITS thread - I have to get through 2nd GiG first.
Talk about the scene here, just use spoiler tags for specific information too far into the film. Trust me, you'll have plenty of stuff to talk about by the time my actual GITS thread rolls around.
XANDER CAGE
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Second Gig is pretty fantastic, and it also marks a notable improvement on that digital coloring problem you mentioned SAC as having. Lots of moody lighting and more consistent color in most episodes.
fizzelopeguss
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Tachikomas totally redeem themselves.
ElectricBlue187
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Where can I buy the Japanese blu ray of GITS?
The movie? HMV Japan or Amazon Japan.
It's Japan though, expect to pay out the ass.
ElectricBlue187
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Do they have region locks?
USA and Japan share the same region for blu ray.
Infuriating because it use to be us EU types that shared with Japan previously for DVD!
Bandai Visual releases are region free.
... you mean to tell me I bought a blu ray drive for my PC for no reason?!
I also have some Criterion collection blu rays so I had plenty reason! Ghost in the Shell not getting a non-2.0 UK blu ray release was the impetus to look into it, though. True facts.
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