Holy shit that's awesome and pretty smart. Text and UI elements get 2x scaling but images and video can be left at 1x to maintain quality and fit more content in apps. That was something I was worried about early on. Having Photoshop or Aperture show your images at 2x instead of its native size would be mad.Where things get really exciting is when you have an application that not only handles scaling properly, but also takes advantage of the added resolution. Take Aperture 3.3 for example. With OS X set to its “best for Retina display” mode, this is what Aperture looks like with a 2880 x 1800 image open and displayed at full size:
Here Apple is scaling the UI elements like the menus and widgets on the screen (backing scale factor = 2.0), but displaying the open image unscaled (backing scale factor = 1.0). As a result we can fit almost an entire 2880 x 1800 image on the screen without zooming out. Remember the backing scale factor isn’t global, individual elements on the screen can be scaled independently depending on their purpose.
The same thing happens when you look at applications like iMovie or Final Cut HD. The UI elements are scaled up but the video window is displayed unscaled, thus allowing us to display a full 1080p video alongside text and tools that are still legible.
It’s all handled amazingly well. It just works.
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I got mine last night too and I concur that it is fast.
http://www.crucial.com/systemscanner/viewscanbyid.aspx?id=FF27A99C31D926C3
My computer is acting like old poop, I went to crucial and see I can double my RAM. THe issues mostly been with RAM and slow down with apps. I'd hope bumping to 8 would fix this. Question is, can I do this on my own, replace it or can I go to the apple store and they can do it if I by the RAM?
thanks.
My computer is acting like old poop, I went to crucial and see I can double my RAM. THe issues mostly been with RAM and slow down with apps. I'd hope bumping to 8 would fix this. Question is, can I do this on my own, replace it or can I go to the apple store and they can do it if I by the RAM?
thanks.
Autumn Wind
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http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/macbookpro_13_unibody_mid10_mem_h/ <--- You should be able to do it yourself just fine.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Holy shit, going from launch MacBook (2006) to 13" Air (2012): night-and-day.
killertofu
Member
I love reading Andantech reviews but what's the case for haswell? What would be the improvements
Trojita
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I think GPU Processing.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
I've heard the number 10x the graphical performance of Ivy Bridge (overheard on the last Tested podcast), which is already pretty good.
I have a SSD in my 2010 MBP. The Air still feels a lot faster. Even though it might be slower in some tasks without the discrete graphics card. For simple tasks it just flies.
I am still in that brand new Mac phase where I am treating it like a baby. I clean it obsessively and even wash my hands before I use it. This phase usually lasts like a month and then I start treating it like every other computer (though I still do clean them periodically).
edit:
Anyone have this sleeve for their Air?
http://www.amazon.com/Speck-Products-Form-Fitting-Ultrabook-SPK-A0227/dp/B004LWN3R0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340463424&sr=8-1&keywords=13%22+Macbook+Air+Sleeve
Has good reviews for the most part. Just need something simple that looks nice and that will give the Air a little protection when I am carrying it around.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
In System Preferences, General, you can turn it off apparently. It's really a matter of taste. You could see if Chrome on the Mac uses its own sub-pixel antialiasing or not.
Edit: beaten.
Gary Whitta
Member
I think modern battery technology is way past having to do that.
Pretty sure even Apple recommends it every once in awhile.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Thunderbolt drives are still as pricey as fuck. Seems like USB 3.0 drives are the way to go for the price-conscious (i.e. cheapskate) consumer.
Gary Whitta
Member
I misread the post, when he said "calibrate" I thought he meant some of the crazy stuff people do when they first get their device.
Yes here is what they recommend, one full discharge-recharge cycle per month.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
They specifically recommend not leaving it plugged in all the time, which I actually need to stop doing. I mostly use mine at home where there's a power source available.
Yes in general it's best to basically abuse the battery. Charge/recharge at various levels. Complete discharges. Etc.
With my first battery on my Macbook it was plugged in 99% of the time, and although it had very few battery cycles the battery health was poor and I was getting some warnings in OSX.
Apple replaced the battery and since then I've had to use my Macbook on the road a lot. It's a newish battery and it already has 276 cycles but the battery health is at 94% and battery life has been awesome in general.
It's not that simple. Matte screen = loss in resolution, contrast, and unavoidable DIFFUSE glare.
On a glossy screen if you are able to control the family of angles in which you use it, it doesn't matter if, for example, you are sitting right next to a blindingly bright window. All the light will glance off the glass and into the eyes of someone else. In the same scenario a matte screen would be washed out as its family angles is basically 180 degrees. Matte screens will also produce a slight sub-surface scattering effect which decreases contrast.
Yes and yes.
Programs will be updated for Retina pretty quickly, however.
The Internet will take a lot longer.*
*Which reminds me, I need to update my Tumblr for Retina.
Anandtech said:
This is so awesome, and something not addressed in all the other crappy first day reviews.
Scaling/filtering is a very complex thing and it's awesome that it was such a high priority for Apple. They could have easily been like, well we have 4x the number of physical pixels so filtering isn't that important.
It's similar to the AA vs resolution debate. No matter how much resolution you have, filtering is always a factor.
So after numerous calls and repeating my address many times. The FedEx guy managed to snag the package from whatever apartment complex he initially delivered it to. Package wasn't opened or anything, which is what I was concerned about.
And now I'm posting from new 13 inch MBA =D I've been downloading some updates, iTunes music, getting Xcode and some other stuff setup (Dropbox, Evernote).
Any recommendations for some good Mac utilities?
And now I'm posting from new 13 inch MBA =D I've been downloading some updates, iTunes music, getting Xcode and some other stuff setup (Dropbox, Evernote).
Any recommendations for some good Mac utilities?
killertofu
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I think I'm going to hold off a year after reading that review. I fiddled around with the MacBook Pro retina some more and it just irked me that the scrolling and launch pad/spaces animations werent buttery smooth. It's just something that I don't think I can go with.
Time to spend that money on a SSD drive or a good monitor....
Time to spend that money on a SSD drive or a good monitor....
GAF and Chrome look awful.
The OS UI looks beautiful and zoomed in text is amazing. I wouldn't mind using this laptop as my main computer but I value my neck and I enjoy gaming.
I don't have the Retina. I've used my dads
njean777
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So I have come back to eat crow, I have pulled a 180 on the retina. My friend purchased one and I got to play with it for a few hours and fell in love. So much so, I returned the base 15in and purchased a retina. I still think the non user upgradeable parts are a little annoying, but I ate the cost and just got applecare with it.
You went with your gut which means you are less likely to have buyers remorse.
The_Inquisitor
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Absolutely in love with my MBA 13". Once my NAS comes in next week things will be awesome.
Think I am going to go Retina.
I would need 16GB out of the box either way (and apple tax is not as severe as before, 180 at student price vs. 120-170 for third party upgrade on the non-retina) and would likely add an SSD to the ODD for performance reasons.
The only thing I am leery about is the 256GB standard config. :/
I should be okay as long as I leave my iPhoto library and iTunes library off the machine. The extra 600 is just so steep and I can cross my fingers that OWC will offer a less expensive upgrade in the future.
Price (educational prices for apple parts)
Retina-MBP + 16GB RAM = $2,179
MBP + 256 SSD(in DVD bay) + 16GB RAM = $2,529
I would need 16GB out of the box either way (and apple tax is not as severe as before, 180 at student price vs. 120-170 for third party upgrade on the non-retina) and would likely add an SSD to the ODD for performance reasons.
The only thing I am leery about is the 256GB standard config. :/
I should be okay as long as I leave my iPhoto library and iTunes library off the machine. The extra 600 is just so steep and I can cross my fingers that OWC will offer a less expensive upgrade in the future.
Price (educational prices for apple parts)
Retina-MBP + 16GB RAM = $2,179
MBP + 256 SSD(in DVD bay) + 16GB RAM = $2,529
anandtech's review of the Retina's performance with the new screen is disappointing, but expected. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8
this device has the same feel of the first-gen MBA.
this device has the same feel of the first-gen MBA.
Robobandit
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Before you decide that $600 is too steep.. look at the prices for OWC upgrades for previous models..
a 480GB upgrade for last year's macbook air is $794.. the ssd in the new retina pro is of a similar type.. so I don't expect it to be cheaper...
http://eshop.macsales.com/Search/Search.cfm?Ntk=Primary&Ns=P_Price|1&N=0&Ntt=APE6G480
I got a 256GB model.. and I have about 100GB left.. and I don't have that many files
I am on a waiting list at best buy for the 512GB model..
a 480GB upgrade for last year's macbook air is $794.. the ssd in the new retina pro is of a similar type.. so I don't expect it to be cheaper...
http://eshop.macsales.com/Search/Search.cfm?Ntk=Primary&Ns=P_Price|1&N=0&Ntt=APE6G480
I got a 256GB model.. and I have about 100GB left.. and I don't have that many files
I am on a waiting list at best buy for the 512GB model..
Oh as far as comparable upgrades $600 is reasonable in that regard (and consider that it comes with a processor bump too).
It is simply steep for my bank account.
within 24 months I expect the retina will intro at the 1799 price point, with the 2199 being the high end model. (EDIT: this leaves me to wonder what they will put in the former hole left by the 17" where the 512retina now sits)
This will be moot then, but right now I am using a mid 2007 iMac and my use case has grown to feature much more 3D modeling and rendering with a healthy dash of video and photo. I simply can't wait another year or two
This does feel like a gen1 MBA situation, but my guess is the gains will be in smoothness and heavier reliance on integrated gpu (and the resulting benefits to battery life).
opticalmace
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StopMakingSense
Member
Interesting, thanks for the link..
When is Haswell supposed to hit?
q2 2013ish
Robobandit
Member
Oh as far as comparable upgrades $600 is reasonable in that regard (and consider that it comes with a processor bump too).
It is simply steep for my bank account.
within 24 months I expect the retina will intro at the 1799 price point, with the 2199 being the high end model. (EDIT: this leaves me to wonder what they will put in the former hole left by the 17" where the 512retina now sits)
This will be moot then, but right now I am using a mid 2007 iMac and my use case has grown to feature much more 3D modeling and rendering with a healthy dash of video and photo. I simply can't wait another year or two
Ahh ok, I understand.
That makes sense.
Trojita
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So new iMacs might be coming out in late July. This is just a possibility though. If the iMac is updated, do you think the screen would change at all?
I'm asking because if the iMac is updated, the cinema display would likely be updated right?
I was going to order the Cinema Display, but now I'm not sure.
Different Scenarios I had were
Get rMPB
Get rMPB + Henge Dock + Cinema Display + Mac Keyboard (My ass would be broke)
Get just a Cinema Display for my PC
I was considering getting an iMac, but I don't really need, though I do think it is a good deal. I was considering paying the extra money just to get the iMac, but I don't like that the iMac needs to be on to push through a second output (PC).
I could also get a 120HZ Samsung monitor for my PC and an iMac or the rMPG+Henge+Cinema, but shit that is a lot of money.
I'm asking because if the iMac is updated, the cinema display would likely be updated right?
I was going to order the Cinema Display, but now I'm not sure.
Different Scenarios I had were
Get rMPB
Get rMPB + Henge Dock + Cinema Display + Mac Keyboard (My ass would be broke)
Get just a Cinema Display for my PC
I was considering getting an iMac, but I don't really need, though I do think it is a good deal. I was considering paying the extra money just to get the iMac, but I don't like that the iMac needs to be on to push through a second output (PC).
I could also get a 120HZ Samsung monitor for my PC and an iMac or the rMPG+Henge+Cinema, but shit that is a lot of money.
I guess my primary frustration is that they do not offer the 512GB upgrade to the base model, without coupling it to the processor bump. They just wanted a high end sku to fall where the lack of 17" was IMO
It would get a bigger discount from educational price as well since add-ons are discounted separately, but if you jump from 2,199 to 2,799 you still only get the same $200 base discount
*shakes fist at apple*Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Weird that you actually prefer the top one here. It's just blocky pixel lines. Like a classic NES font vs a Super Nintendo's smoother version.Windows 7 - Chrome
OS X - Safari
The top one looks nice and crisp.
The second looks blurry, blocky and ugly.
makes sense, too. MS optimized their cleartype rendering to make text crisper on low-DPI screens. Apple cared more about matching on-screen to high-DPI printed output. now that Apple's dragging us all to a high-DPI monitor wonderland, the 'blurriness' inherent in Apple's font-smoothing algorithm goes away.
i've been in situations where, on OSX, i'll curse the way 9pt Tahoma is rendered on my custom GAF css and wish i were in Win7. later i'll be in Photoshop, Word or PowerPoint on Win 7 and wish i were back on OSX where the font rendering is more 'authentic' and smoother.
killertofu
Member
Can someone remind me never to open up my Mac, or any electronics ever again?
I somehow fucked up my sleep/wake and when I open the lid, the screen turns on for a bit then goes to black. D:
I somehow fucked up my sleep/wake and when I open the lid, the screen turns on for a bit then goes to black. D:
I saw a new Retina MBP in the Apple Store today at lunch. looks amazing and techlust makes me want to sell every(tech)thing I have and get one, despite the fact that storage space and screen size would still be problems.
An Apple store guy came up and asked if I needed any help. I said I was curious about scaling resolution modes. He said the resolution cant be changed then opened up display properties
He then showed me see, its one resolution for retina
right but, clicks radio button for scaling now I can scale it
Interesting that the people working there (or at least one dude working there) is stating officially that the screen only has one resolution.
anyway, the scaled modes look really great. very sharp with text at 1050 and 1200 modes. the 1900 mode was a it too small to use for me but it was certainly legible.
Itll be so great when these high res displays are standard across all Apples product lines.
An Apple store guy came up and asked if I needed any help. I said I was curious about scaling resolution modes. He said the resolution cant be changed then opened up display properties
He then showed me see, its one resolution for retina
right but, clicks radio button for scaling now I can scale it
Interesting that the people working there (or at least one dude working there) is stating officially that the screen only has one resolution.
anyway, the scaled modes look really great. very sharp with text at 1050 and 1200 modes. the 1900 mode was a it too small to use for me but it was certainly legible.
Itll be so great when these high res displays are standard across all Apples product lines.
opticalmace
Member
Could just be a blunder. I went into the local store today to check out the iPad and the guy helping me got a few things wrong about the product, including the price.
mescalineeyes
Banned
Technically, he was right.
The resolution never changes, it's always native.
The resolution never changes, it's always native.