Sapiens
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He was being pedantic - you should have asked about scaling options.
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He was being pedantic - you should have asked about scaling options.
But I don't think that is right. When using one of the other modes, it's creating a 2X desktop of 1680 x 1050 or whatever then scaling it down to fit on the screen. It's better then the scaling in other Macs because of the 2X scaling creating a sharper downscaled image but it's not processing or displaying a native 2880 x 1800 image - just like scaling on older machines. Anandtech even went into detail aout how apple had to write their own custom scaling algorithms for the GPU due to the high resolutions.
I think the dude just forgot about the scaling modes, since he specifically went to the display properties to show me the lack of selectable numbered resolutions as on older Macs.
No big deal.
Another note. An older woman across from me was talking to her daughter about the MBP and thought she was using a 13" machine. She was slightly confused by the info on the docked iPad info screen. She then said something about it being too expensive for a 13" machine and left.
She could've used a sales person to help her.
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@sapiens. He wasn't being pedantic. I asked about resolution and scaling. He knew what I was talking about and said there was only one resolution and went to the display properties. It was just a lack of knowledge for a very new product, I assume. He was talking about how there were no selectable resolutions and showed no intent to click the radio button to change modes till I did it. He then said "oh" and left.
mescalineeyes
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it's literally *always* displaying a native 2880x1800 image, downsampling is not going to change that.
Thats not the point. That's the same as every other LCD Screen. He was saying that this screen - unlike others - could not have the resolution (as in available real estate, as we understand it) modified.
mescalineeyes
Banned
oh, I am with you about the Apple guy not knowing his shit.
I'm not surprised the Apple guy didn't know exactly what was going on. LCD monitors have functioned in a very specific way and this is really the first time we are seeing working resolution independence. It was funny to listen to Leo Laporte on TWiT trying to figure out the new display and settings.
I was listening to the last episode of the Talk Show and Gruber mentioned something that I thought was interesting. I don't know if it's been mentioned.
He was going on how despite the rMBP display having a lower PPI than the iPad3 and the iPhone4/4s he couldn't physically discern pixels no matter how close he got to the screen. It's something I've heard a few times in the press but found unlikely because I can see pixels on my iPhone4s without too much effort.
The reason, apparently, is sub-pixel anti-aliasing for text on the Retina Macbook. So for text we're talking PPI #'s that are in effect higher than 220. AA is something that's needed no matter what resolution you have and apparently it is used to great effect on the rMBP. Currently in Lion SPAA is used for text but there are instances in certain areas of a program that can't use it, and Mountain Lion fixes that.
So for text at least there are essentially 3 levels of quality to take into consideration.
The reason I can see iPad and iPhone pixels is that it doesn't support SPAA just regular greyscale AA because the RGB arrangement on LCD's changes from vertical to landscape orientation. Personally I figure they could just create two algorithms one for each orientation but I suppose it's not high on Apple's list of priorities. It would make text on iPad's and iPhone's that much better though.
It would be super-awesome to have AA or even SPAA for things like vectors in Illustrator or wireframes in 3d applications. Having to look at crunchy meshes makes me sad.
I was listening to the last episode of the Talk Show and Gruber mentioned something that I thought was interesting. I don't know if it's been mentioned.
He was going on how despite the rMBP display having a lower PPI than the iPad3 and the iPhone4/4s he couldn't physically discern pixels no matter how close he got to the screen. It's something I've heard a few times in the press but found unlikely because I can see pixels on my iPhone4s without too much effort.
The reason, apparently, is sub-pixel anti-aliasing for text on the Retina Macbook. So for text we're talking PPI #'s that are in effect higher than 220. AA is something that's needed no matter what resolution you have and apparently it is used to great effect on the rMBP. Currently in Lion SPAA is used for text but there are instances in certain areas of a program that can't use it, and Mountain Lion fixes that.
So for text at least there are essentially 3 levels of quality to take into consideration.
The reason I can see iPad and iPhone pixels is that it doesn't support SPAA just regular greyscale AA because the RGB arrangement on LCD's changes from vertical to landscape orientation. Personally I figure they could just create two algorithms one for each orientation but I suppose it's not high on Apple's list of priorities. It would make text on iPad's and iPhone's that much better though.
It would be super-awesome to have AA or even SPAA for things like vectors in Illustrator or wireframes in 3d applications. Having to look at crunchy meshes makes me sad.
I don't think you can judge differences in sub-pixel antialiasing because it's not something that can be captured in screenshots.
FunnyBunny
Member
I finally took the plunge.
I bought the 13" MacBook Air tonight. It's gorgeous.
It is my first Mac. So far, the biggest difference is the trackpad. I never realized how terrible my old laptop's track pad was until using the Air's. It's a revelation.
I bought the 13" MacBook Air tonight. It's gorgeous.
It is my first Mac. So far, the biggest difference is the trackpad. I never realized how terrible my old laptop's track pad was until using the Air's. It's a revelation.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Yep. I regretted every moment after I sold my 2007 MBP. Typing on my 13" air. Dear god I REFUSE to ever buy another computer without a SSD. It's going to make using my work laptop infuriating. May I will just start using my air instead.
Wait until you learn to love gestures.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Can someone who uses REEDER help me? For some reason I can't get the gesture to open the article in the built in browser to work. I two finger swiper left/right and nothing happens when I have the article up.
FunnyBunny
Member
It's already happening. I love swiping between full-screen apps and the ability to "peek" back in Safari is forcing me to reconsider using Chrome.
FunnyBunny
Member
I know there is a GAF best of iOS thread; is there an equivalent for OSX? I need an app that can creatively layout my Google Reader RSS feeds. Like Newsify for iOS, only on the desktop.
I started using my MBA last night at midnight. Several hours later of use, and I still have 2 hours of battery left. Love it.
I started using my MBA last night at midnight. Several hours later of use, and I still have 2 hours of battery left. Love it.
get bettertouchtool.
it gives you custom gestures in any app. (i still like safari but this lets you use Chrome, too)
I've compared it on my W7 desktop and a retina laptop. The screenshots are pretty accurate.
Would you guys recommend 16gb on the new Retina MBP? I currently have a 2.3/16gb/256 ssd on order, but Ive been thinking that the 256gb SSD might be a bit small because I want to bootcamp and install some games.
Would it be worth it to bump up to the 512gb ssd and drop to 8gb ram? I can't reorder with 512gb/16gb ram because I am going out of the country the middle of July and it would be too late.
I will mainly be doing some gaming and AutoCAD/MATLAB work. Is 16gb overkill?
Would it be worth it to bump up to the 512gb ssd and drop to 8gb ram? I can't reorder with 512gb/16gb ram because I am going out of the country the middle of July and it would be too late.
I will mainly be doing some gaming and AutoCAD/MATLAB work. Is 16gb overkill?
So the first problems with the 1st-generation retina MBP are surfacing. Apparently there's screen burn issues.
mescalineeyes
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chrome already supports the gesture, only the animation is not as nice as in safari.
njean777
Member
8gb ram should be more then enough. I believe auto cad uses more of your GPU then anything. So you could just go 8gb ram and 512GB ssd.
Now comes the hard part of deciding if I want to spend an extra $600 >.<
I am thinking of just getting a USB 3.0 external HDD and install my games on that, but it might be a pain of just carrying that around.
njean777
Member
If you plan to have the computer for longer then 2 years I say just go with the 512. Luckily I can get away with 256 and didn't need the 512gb SSD. I just have to limit what games I put on my bootcamp partition. Just have 1 game at a time installed.
you're buying a machine where your upgrade options are locked in. no reason not to go for 16GB. consider it an investment considering how well Apple laptops maintain their value when sold used.
njean777
Member
If he doesn't need the 16gb though, why waste the 200 on it? It sounds to me like the 512gb SSD would be better for him instead of the ram.
Got the Shakes
Member
I have the 256gb SSD rMBP too. I was wondering how much space did you dedicate to your bootcamp partition?
Im actually interested in this too. How much space do you have left over on you SSD after installing windows and having OSX? Im thinking of doing a 128gb/128gb split. If I could have about 100gb on each side left, that may be enough for me.
I would turn off hibernate on the windows partition to hopefully save some space since I will only be gaming on that side.
I may just wait for the 256gb version to ship out and install all my programs to see how much space I have left. It should be shipping out tonight. If its not enough, Ill run around looking for a 512gb version and return this one to the Apple Store.
Solideliquid
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I called all the apple stores in town they are all sold out of retina MBP. I'm amazed these $2200+ computers are selling out. What recession?
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Half of them are probably being purchased by college students, which I'll just never, ever be able to understand :/
Mooch the system and your parents while you can, I guess! ;p
Technosteve
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How do i move sliders in OS X with the touch pad? I have to physically push the touch pad down?
Obama will hand them a job when they graduate that will pay off all their student loans!
Circle T
Member
Double-tap and hold usually works. It might be a setting, I can't remember (posting from iPad). Basically, you tap twice, but hold your finger down on the second tap. That will let you select things and move them around.
Does anyone have issues with Chrome on OS X, and it not keeping you logged into sites after you have quit chrome? Every time I launch Chrome after having quit it, I have to re-login to all the sites I have my username and password saved at. Once I hit login, my username and password WILL be autofilled, but Chrome just won't keep me logged in whenever I quit it.
Anyone ever had this problem?
Anyone ever had this problem?
Clayton Bigsby
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Yeah, I dont use Chrome because of it.
Felix Lighter
Member
Is that a common issue? My MacBook Air should arrive tomorrow and I was planning to use Chrome.
FunnyBunny
Member
I use Chrome and haven't had an issue.
Oh, and Pulp? Awesome RSS app.
I am trying to decide between Pixelmator or Snapseed for photo editing. Snapseed on iOS is terrific, but Pixelmator is $5 cheaper. Decisions, decisions.
Well this isn't good... hopefully it's not something that effects all of them.
Oh fuck, I hope they aren't all affected. I hope mine is alright =\
Hmm, I wish I could figure out how to fix it.
Damn, I have all my bookmarks and everything synced with Chrome...and have a few extensions that I like to use.
So is Safari the way to go, and is there any way to make that migration easier?
FunnyBunny
Member
Does anyone know of a good, slim yet rubberized case for the Air?
I want something that provides a little bit of protection and grip while out and about.
I want something that provides a little bit of protection and grip while out and about.
Everyone wishes they could do this sadly. And it all depends on the user how much RAM they will be using.
AutoCAD isn't that intensive, even 3D modelling programs (Inventor, Solidworks, ProE/Creo...) don't need a laptop as powerful as the new Pro.
teardown of the none retina macbook
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2012-Teardown/9515/1
really thinking of just going basic 15" and upgrading as i need to.
$1700 vs $2200
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2012-Teardown/9515/1
really thinking of just going basic 15" and upgrading as i need to.
$1700 vs $2200
fn + down arrow / fn + up arrow
Had this problem a few weeks ago when I got a Macbook. Chrome kept logging me out of GAF everytime I shut it off so I just went back to Firefox.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
sweet. Thanks!
Dreams-Visions
Member
I assume everyone saw the Anandtech review of the new Macbook Pro Retina?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/18
It wins the *rare* Anandtech Editor's Choice Award.
Also, as I mentioned in the other thread about the guy who used his calibration tools to determine the color accuracy:
Disappointing for those whom color accuracy is paramount and were hoping to not always need to tether to their IPS desktop monitor. But at least the contrast is much better. The best color gamuts in laptops remain at Dell, HP and Sony.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/18
It wins the *rare* Anandtech Editor's Choice Award.
Also, as I mentioned in the other thread about the guy who used his calibration tools to determine the color accuracy:
Disappointing for those whom color accuracy is paramount and were hoping to not always need to tether to their IPS desktop monitor. But at least the contrast is much better. The best color gamuts in laptops remain at Dell, HP and Sony.
njean777
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I havent installed it yet, but will most likely put it to 50gb. Should be enough for windows, chrome, and maybe 2 games depending on size.
It doesn't, I have mine set for display sleep at 45 minutes and have left in on all day and no burn in here.
I figure (based on the reports I've read and the incredibly young age of the devices) that it's not actually burn-in but rather a defect that affects a number of the LCD panels that just looks a bunch like burn-in. There's no way that consistent burn-in of these panels wouldn't have been noticed before launch.
Anyway, the laptops are covered by returns policy so it's not like it's the end of the world.