macOS Sierra |OT| What can your Mac do now? Just ask

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PetriP-TNT said:
Really interested in universal copy and paste, need to do a backup and then upgrade my work PC over the weekend.
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i have to get used to the "take a screenshot of a selection and copy it to the clipboard" shortcut now. (cmd+shift+ctrl+4).

it's a bummer that, when you click an image file on your desktop and hit cmd+c, and paste it in an app on the phone, it still only pastes the file name, instead of intelligently understanding that you wanna copy the actual picture.
it does work that way when copying the file, pasting it in iMessage on the mac itself.
 
Fliesen said:
i have to get used to the "take a screenshot of a selection and copy it to the clipboard" shortcut now. (cmd+shift+ctrl+4).

it's a bummer that, when you click an image file on your desktop and hit cmd+c, and paste it in an app on the phone, it still only pastes the file name, instead of intelligently understanding that you wanna copy the actual picture.
it does work that way when copying the file, pasting it in iMessage on the mac itself.
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That actually helps me because I mostly want to take screenshots to clipboard and I can never remember which buttons I need to press so I press them all :D

I think you can D&D images to iMessage and from a technical perspective copying and pasting the image with CMD+C would be pretty hard actually. Not the copy aspect, but the fact that the behaviour would change from app-to-app basis.
 
PetriP-TNT said:
That actually helps me because I mostly want to take screenshots to clipboard and I can never remember which buttons I need to press so I press them all :D

I think you can D&D images to iMessage and from a technical perspective copying and pasting the image with CMD+C would be pretty hard actually
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how so, it understands what i want to do when i copy / paste it within macOS
it does properly paste the picture into iMessage, it properly pastes it to photoshop.

dragging dropping into iMessage is a bit of a hassle. when you do the "4 finger outwards" gesture to show your desktop, pick up the file, drag it to the iMessage icon, iMessage doesn't "open up" because macOS is still in "show desktop" mode - you have to awkwardly claw back your application windows, then drop it into the conversation you want.

a quick copy&paste is so much easier ;)

GeoNeo said:
For Hand Off & Copy Paste do you need to have bluetooth enabled on phone & Mac?
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bluetooth and wifi need to be activated, though both devices don't need to be logged into the same wifi afaik.
that's how it works with airDrop at least
 
Fliesen said:
how so, it understands what i want to do when i copy / paste it within macOS
it does properly paste the picture into iMessage, it properly pastes it to photoshop.
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Hmm interesting, I just assumed that Photoshop would just get the path too unless explicitly copying the actual image, not system icon link whatever of the image.
 
PetriP-TNT said:
Hmm interesting, I just assumed that Photoshop would just get the path too unless explicitly copying the actual image, not system icon link whatever of the image.
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... oh, wait a second ... photoshop DOES only paste the icon. weird. could've sworn it worked differently.

iMessage (on mac) does paste the actual photo though
 
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Wow, haven't seen anything quite this sloppy in a production version of macOS

Not in an obscure app either, right click a message
 
Karabiner is broken on this release, I wish I had looked up software compatibility before upgrading. Also what is up with the upgrade time, took me over 20min. So damn slow.
 
chadskin said:
Universal Clipboard works through iCloud, so Bluetooth is probably not needed for this feature.
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What? I believe it's a Bluetooth 4.0 feature. I think the Ars Technica review said that what you copy never goes to Apple's servers. Although I haven't seen anyone answer whether what you copy is encrypted during transfer.
 
eyeball_kid said:
What? I believe it's a Bluetooth 4.0 feature. I think the Ars Technica review said that what you copy never goes to Apple's servers. Although I haven't seen anyone answer whether what you copy is encrypted during transfer.
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Cnet says:
Universal clipboard uses iCloud, so you may experience lag if you copy from one device and immediately attempt to paste on another. Also, Sierra's universal clipboard is not a clipboard manager; it only lets you paste the last item copied.
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At least you need to be logged into the same iCloud account on the two devices but the actual transfer may indeed work via Bluetooth, haven't used it except once.

edit: Hm, yeah, you definitely need Bluetooth enabled. Didn't work without it.
 
What a worthless upgrade (for me). Is there any under the hood changes like performance improvements at least?

For someone who's only interested in the Mac line, Apple har been a huge bummer lately.
 
Another problem, I can't seem to switch on Apple Watch unlock on my iMac. It just gives me this:

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But according to my account settings I have on 2-step, and there is no option for 2-factor anywhere here or iCloud.

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So Apple doesn't automatically delete any documents or files when uploading to the Cloud to free up storage, correct?

I'm fine with uploading, I just don't want them MOVING or deleting my local files.
 
OK, one thing I have noticed that's changed since updating to Sierra is that touchpad scrolling sensitivity seems to be increased - for example, when scrubbing through videos or changing volume in VLC, or when zooming a viewport in Cinema 4D.

Anyone else noticed this?
 
Not Apple's fault in any way, but it's a shame that universal copy & paste isn't going to work on my Hackintosh. Continuity is sooooo picky about Bluetooth. :(
 
Do you think Apple will ever release an iMessage program for Windows? There is iTunes, so there is some Windows support there.
 
moniker said:
What a worthless upgrade (for me). Is there any under the hood changes like performance improvements at least?

For someone who's only interested in the Mac line, Apple har been a huge bummer lately.
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It's fairly minor for an annual update, but that's basically par for the course since they moved to updating once a year. It's still advancing much faster than it was back in the Leopard/Snow Leopard days (i.e. like if you compare the OS now to the OS four years ago). El Capitan was the big performance/under-the-hood improvements update (like Snow Leopard and Mavericks were). If they're genuinely following a real cadence with that stuff, expect next year to be another update focused on adding features, and then 2018's update to be more performance-focused again. Really, the big news for this year is just Siri and the new file system (which likely won't really be a full part of the picture until 2017's update) and a series of very minor features that probably just happened to get completed in time. My hunch is that 2017 will be a somewhat bigger feature year, though.
 
I'm glad they aren't adding tons of new features because IMO OS X is getting somewhat feature bloated. Makes the OS more complicated, which runs contrary to a company that sells itself on simplicity.

shanafan said:
Do you think Apple will ever release an iMessage program for Windows? There is iTunes, so there is some Windows support there.
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According to the Steve Jobs bio, iTunes only came to Windows after a prolonged and concerted campaign by everyone at the company to convince Jobs it needed to happen.
 
I still don't really get why Apple even moved to a yearly release cycle for macOS. Surely most of the features of 10.8 and 10.9 could've been Lion point releases, and 10.11 and 10.12 for Yosemite.
 
My MacBook Pro is a mid-2009. Is there anything I can do to install this new OS? I have 4GBs of RAM and an SSD. Shouldn't that be enough?
 
Guess Who said:
I still don't really get why Apple even moved to a yearly release cycle for macOS. Surely most of the features of 10.8 and 10.9 could've been Lion point releases, and 10.11 and 10.12 for Yosemite.
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If they're also becoming a services company, it makes sense to be able to roll out major updates to e.g. iMessage across all platforms (see also the big Notes update last year). It's all about iCloud, basically.

The approach carries the advantage of letting the feature-oriented teams release their new features basically when they're ready (e.g. Siri for the Mac has been getting worked on for years but only got released when they felt satisfied with it), meaning new features generally get a good amount of polish. Its main disadvantage is that you don't really get the rock-solid stability of a several-year-old OS like we had with Snow Leopard by the time it hit 10.6.8.
 
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but whatever:

Apple Maps now has public webpages for some landmarks and points of interest

Apple is now publishing public web pages for landmarks and POI in its Apple Maps database: here’s one such place. The website link shows details about the place such as location, name, telephone number and reviews. The design is identical to the cards in the iOS 10 Maps app.

When on an Apple platform, these URLs appear to act as deep links into the native Maps app. If viewing in Chrome or on a non-Apple device like Android, the fallback webpage is loaded. The purpose for these URLs is unclear, but it may possibly foreshadow a larger move by Apple to offer its own online mapping service to compete with Google Maps on the web.
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https://maps.apple.com/place?addres...23071999999993&lsp=9902&q=John Hancock Center
 
Fliesen said:
i have to get used to the "take a screenshot of a selection and copy it to the clipboard" shortcut now. (cmd+shift+ctrl+4).

it's a bummer that, when you click an image file on your desktop and hit cmd+c, and paste it in an app on the phone, it still only pastes the file name, instead of intelligently understanding that you wanna copy the actual picture.
it does work that way when copying the file, pasting it in iMessage on the mac itself.
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I have a different method I use. I take the screenshot, Hazel grabs it off the desktop and puts it into a Screenshots folder. This folder is in my Documents which is synced via iCloud anyway. Hazel then opens this folder on my computer so I can drag it onto the mac2imgur app icon.
holygeesus said:
lol no sorry I meant I tried it before asking on here - the thanks was genuine :). Enabling everything again brought all the items back, which seems screwy.
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It shouldn't have been on by default. I thought it was off by default. I use it though. It's really awesome, but I agree, the Desktop should be able to be disabled separately from the Documents folder. If you want to disable it without losing your stuff, turn it on and make sure everything is there, temporarily move the files into a folder like Downloads that isn't synced, then turn it off, then put it all back. Then go onto iCloud.com and check if it kept the stuff in your account and clear it out to get the space back if you need to.

I like the feature though. I threw away DropBox because of it like I threw away Chrome when Safari iCloud tabs came along. It may be lacking some stuff DB has, like selective sync, but at least it has lower pricing tiers.
 
Wowfunhappy said:
I'm glad they aren't adding tons of new features because IMO OS X is getting somewhat feature bloated. Makes the OS more complicated, which runs contrary to a company that sells itself on simplicity.
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honestly the most exciting thing the next OS update could do IMO is to kill dashboard, launchpad, and itunes

and probably kill the screensaver i guess and give OS X a real modern lockscreen

also get rid of Chess
 
Still trying to update my iMac. The download failed sometime overnight Tuesday night. I didn't get a chance to check it this morning but I'm hoping it downloaded okay and I can get to updating tonight when I get home.
 
holygeesus said:
lol no sorry I meant I tried it before asking on here - the thanks was genuine :). Enabling everything again brought all the items back, which seems screwy.
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Apple's interpretation of syncing is complete garbage.

The other day I decided to put some custom book covers on iBooks to make the shelf look pretty on my iPad. (This can only be done via iTunes)

I plug in the iPad and it starts to sync everything and it won't stop. What should been a simple process

1. click on the books tab
2. sync desired books to computer
3. add custom covers
4. sync them back to iPad

Literally an hour of syncing purchases I didn't want I ended up with books deleted from my iPad and a whole load of garbage apps installed. And U2. Fuck you Apple.
 
badcrumble said:
honestly the most exciting thing the next OS update could do IMO is to kill dashboard, launchpad, and itunes

and probably kill the screensaver i guess and give OS X a real modern lockscreen

also get rid of Chess
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I only agree with one of those things. Dashboard. Which no one uses. And isn't even on by default anymore, is it? It's practically gone anyway. You can disable it.

But no one is going to take away LaunchPad, which is one of Apple's "iOS-like" features that I use all the goddamn time just because you don't use it. I sure as hell ain't going back to DragThing or putting a disorganized Applications folder in my Dock. I mean come the heck on. What's peoples hatred of such a useful feature?

iTunes won't go anywhere until they figure their shit out. And it'll need a replacement because I sure as fuck ain't using all cloud based streaming.

Chess has been around since NeXTStep. It won't die for a while. And when it does, we can have a funeral and bury it next to Happy Mac and Claris the Dogcow.
 
The Real Abed said:
But no one is going to take away LaunchPad, which is one of Apple's "iOS-like" features that I use all the goddamn time just because you don't use it. I sure as hell ain't going back to DragThing or putting a disorganized Applications folder in my Dock. I mean come the heck on. What's peoples hatred of such a useful feature?

iTunes won't go anywhere until they figure their shit out. And it'll need a replacement because I sure as fuck ain't using all cloud based streaming.
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I dunno, these days I honestly just use Spotlight as a fast app launcher (and now there's Siri too, with that backdoor tricky hack for 'hey siri' support using accessibility stuff iirc).

As for iTunes, agreed that they need a working replacement, but I think an analogue of the iOS Music app makes the most sense by far.
 
The Real Abed said:
But no one is going to take away LaunchPad, which is one of Apple's "iOS-like" features that I use all the goddamn time just because you don't use it. I sure as hell ain't going back to DragThing or putting a disorganized Applications folder in my Dock. I mean come the heck on. What's peoples hatred of such a useful feature?
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What is so disorganized about having the Applications folder in your dock? Sort by Name, Display as Folder, View as List. Everything is alphabetically sorted and basically one click away. And if you have a large number of apps to scroll through you can just type "i" and it'll scroll the list to iTunes or whatever.

I find LaunchPad to be the disorganized one, personally. I've never really understood how it sorts my apps (I think by most recently installed?) and it seems to require manual organization and constant upkeep as you add new apps. Some apps can be removed from the launchpad and most apps (non-Mac App Store ones?) cannot. There's random folders of Adobe Updater crap that I didn't make. Then there's Gmail, Google Search, Google Drive bookmarks / "fake apps" that I assume Chrome added to LaunchPad? Just all sorts of weird stuff imo.

I'm sure it's fine after you organize it to how you want, but that's why I've never really used it. Nothing against it at all, I just think the Apps folder in dock is a lot more efficient.
 
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