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Angelus Errare said:
It's not about Apple Pay being shit or not. It's about the fact there is a damn near complete web standard on handling secure pay that Edge, Firefox, Chrome will be using. Then Apple says "yea fuck that standard" and made their own for Safari.

Which means for us developers instead of having to code to one standard that works across all browsers, we have to code to two because Apple. And to make it worse, I'm pretty sure Apple's implementation isn't open license so it can't be rolled into the standard.
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To be fair, it wasn't developed for Safari, it was developed for the iPhone. It only makes sense that, at some point, Apple would then move it to their computers. I'm glad this is happening, because the more adoption Apple Pay gets, the more it might convince additional retailers to support it.

And, as someone who has done web development for too many years to count, having to account for standards and then popular-but-not-as-standard things is just part of that world. Then, as a consumer, if you're a site wanting my money, I don't really care about you having to do extra work. I can always just give my money to someone else who's willing to do that.
 
LyleLanley said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but whatever:

Apple Maps now has public webpages for some landmarks and points of interest
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Interesting. I've been wondering when they'll release a web version of Apple Maps. Though I suppose for them they'd be wondering what the value proposition is.

badcrumble said:
honestly the most exciting thing the next OS update could do IMO is to kill dashboard, launchpad, and itunes

and probably kill the screensaver i guess and give OS X a real modern lockscreen

also get rid of Chess
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You shush your mouth. Kill Dashboard? I use it every day. Notification Center is iOS crap shoved into macOS with no thought for UX – all that content shoved in to a narrow strip. I hit F19 to open Dashboard and I get access to stocks, weather, calendar, world clocks, a dictionary, iStat, and astronomy pictures, all without scrolling.

Not sure what the internet hate for Chess.app is. It's 9MB. It's not bothering anyone. I open it sometimes, only to realize how bad at chess I still am.

Faddy said:
Literally an hour of syncing purchases I didn't want I ended up with books deleted from my iPad and a whole load of garbage apps installed. And U2. Fuck you Apple.
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Settings -> iTunes & App Store -> turn off all those automatic downloads.
 
So after attempting to USB install on my 2014 retina mbp and constantly getting the prohibited sign up (thanks for the verbosity Apple), I took that as a sign and left my clean install for when APFS hits
 
Garou said:
Two-step and Two-factor are not the same: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915
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Apple said:
On your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with iOS 9 or later:
Go to Settings > iCloud > tap your Apple ID.
Tap Password & Security.
Tap Turn on Two-Factor Authentication.
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Never knew this - but my UK account doesn't seem to offer Two-Factor, the only thing in that menu is Two-Step... maybe Two-Factor is not available in UK yet?
 
Sean said:
What is so disorganized about having the Applications folder in your dock? Sort by Name, Display as Folder, View as List. Everything is alphabetically sorted and basically one click away. And if you have a large number of apps to scroll through you can just type "i" and it'll scroll the list to iTunes or whatever.

I find LaunchPad to be the disorganized one, personally. I've never really understood how it sorts my apps (I think by most recently installed?) and it seems to require manual organization and constant upkeep as you add new apps. Some apps can be removed from the launchpad and most apps (non-Mac App Store ones?) cannot. There's random folders of Adobe Updater crap that I didn't make. Then there's Gmail, Google Search, Google Drive bookmarks / "fake apps" that I assume Chrome added to LaunchPad? Just all sorts of weird stuff imo.

I'm sure it's fine after you organize it to how you want, but that's why I've never really used it. Nothing against it at all, I just think the Apps folder in dock is a lot more efficient.
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It works exactly like the Homescreen springboard in iOS. That's what it's analog is. I don't know about the initial ordering but once you have it how you want it, it stays like that. A folder doesn't work as well because I have apps that are in their own folders and stuff that's categorized like games. Typing wouldn't work in that case. With Launchpad I can type too and it filters my results. Spotlight is too slow in so many cases for me to bother with it much for launching apps anymore.

Launchpad for life.

But I agree with the dashboard thing. While I wouldn't want to back to inconsistently designed awkwardly sized widgets again I would rather the "widgets" in the sidebar have a lot more room rock breathe. I too hate scrolling. There's so much space on the left side. Let me have the notifications in the sidebar and have the rest of the screen taken up with columns of widgets.

I like everything on one page. You should see my iPhone home screen. Just one page so I can tell when I have notifications without having to change pages. Now if there was a notifier that would appear at the edge when apps on another page had notifications I'd probably use pages more. I even keep my Launchpad to one screen.
 
The Real Abed said:
I have a different method I use. I take the screenshot, Hazel grabs it off the desktop and puts it into a Screenshots folder. This folder is in my Documents which is synced via iCloud anyway. Hazel then opens this folder on my computer so I can drag it onto the mac2imgur app icon.
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why don't you have mac2imgur upload your screenshots directly after you make them?
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also, you can set iCloud to sync your desktop folder.

Still, i wanna cmd+C and cmd+v into ... whatsapp on the iPhone - that doesn't work right now, sadly. :P
 
I love the subtle way windows magnetise to each others edges and the edges of the screen now. Really cures my window management OCD.

Siri has some cool things to drag to the sidebar, but I really wish I could type questions. When in an office, talking to my computer is the last thing I want to do.

PiP is really nice, I like it better than I thought I would. I like how clean the PiP video is but I do wish for a scrubber bar a lot of the time. Double-right-clicking youtube to get it to work seems weird, hopefully that will be polished up, but with google I won't hold my breath, I'm still waiting for background audio and PiP on iOS (without red). If VLC gets PiP support I'll be very happy.

Roll on APFS, better OpenGL drivers, new MacBook Pro's new Mac Pro's, new Mac Mini's, better eGPU support.
 
boneyjangles said:
I love the subtle way windows magnetise to each others edges and the edges of the screen now. Really cures my window management OCD.

Siri has some cool things to drag to the sidebar, but I really wish I could type questions. When in an office, talking to my computer is the last thing I want to do.

PiP is really nice, I like it better than I thought I would. I like how clean the PiP video is but I do wish for a scrubber bar a lot of the time. Double-right-clicking youtube to get it to work seems weird, hopefully that will be polished up, but with google I won't hold my breath, I'm still waiting for background audio and PiP on iOS (without red). If VLC gets PiP support I'll be very happy.

Roll on APFS, better OpenGL drivers, new MacBook Pro's new Mac Pro's, new Mac Mini's, better eGPU support.
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Glad to see you got it in the right thread this time
 
Is there a list of macs that support unlock with Apple Watch? I thought mine was included in the beta but I don't see the option in SysPrefs. 15" 2013 MBP
 
Miyahon said:
UK Link

Shows up on the UK site. I think you have to disable your Two-Step Verification in order to get Two Factor Authentication.

Link for Converting to Two Factor
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Wow, thanks, you are right. So it seems you have to *disable* two step entirely to get the option to *enable* two factor:

https://sixcolors.com/post/2016/07/doing-the-two-step-switching-to-apples-two-factor-authentication/

sixcolors.com said:
I’ve been using two-step verification for a while, so when Apple rolled out two-factor authentication in 2015, it wasn’t immediately clear how to go about switching to the new (and supposedly improved) system.


Disable Two-Step Verification via your Apple ID management page.
Though Apple didn’t provide an obvious way to make that jump, the key is simply to deactivate your existing two-step authentication setup via the Apple ID management site; click Edit in the Security section, and choose Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Once I picked some new security questions and verified my date of birth and backup email address, I had to go re-enter my iCloud password on all of my associated devices.
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Fliesen said:
why don't you have mac2imgur upload your screenshots directly after you make them?


also, you can set iCloud to sync your desktop folder.

Still, i wanna cmd+C and cmd+v into ... whatsapp on the iPhone - that doesn't work right now, sadly. :P
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Because I don't want to upload all screenshots. Same reason I didn't use that feature when I used DropBox. I want control over what happens.
 
How's this update running on older Macbook Airs? I have a Mid-2012 and am sort of waiting to finish up a project before updating.
 
Someone mentioned two-factor authentication and linked to an article. I have two-step verification enabled (and have had for some time) but the location that the article states to enable two-factor on both iOS and macOS only shows two-step authentication (enabled) for me.

Do I need to disable two-step first? Or is this something that's not available everywhere (though I'm not sure why this might be)?

xxracerxx said:
How's this update running on older Macbook Airs? I have a Mid-2012 and am sort of waiting to finish up a project before updating.
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No issues here, bought late 2012. Have been running since the later public betas without any problems.
 
Number45 said:
Someone mentioned two-factor authentication and linked to an article. I have two-step verification enabled (and have had for some time) but the location that the article states to enable two-factor on both iOS and macOS only shows two-step authentication (enabled) for me.

Do I need to disable two-step first? Or is this something that's not available everywhere (though I'm not sure why this might be)?
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Yes, in order to use two-step you have to turn off two-factor first. They are incompatible. You can do both from appleid.apple.com
 
The Real Abed said:
It works exactly like the Homescreen springboard in iOS. That's what it's analog is. I don't know about the initial ordering but once you have it how you want it, it stays like that. A folder doesn't work as well because I have apps that are in their own folders and stuff that's categorized like games. Typing wouldn't work in that case. With Launchpad I can type too and it filters my results. Spotlight is too slow in so many cases for me to bother with it much for launching apps anymore.

Launchpad for life.
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I see. I'm gonna spend a couple minutes organizing my Launchpad and give it a chance.

xxracerxx said:
Thanks guys. Have a mid-2012 MBA with the i5 and 4GB.

I am launching a site in the next day or two, so I will update after that.
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I have the same exact MBA model as you with those same specs, and it runs fine on mine.
 
On an Aperture forum i visit, it is tarting to become clear that Aperture may not function very well on Sierra. Looks like I may just be sticking to 10.11 from now on....
 
Unlock with Apple Watch isn't working for me, it just hangs for a while and then goes to the password screen. Guess I have to restart every device.
 
macGAF I have a question:

First, I got a Mid 2012 15" MBP, running OS X El Capitan here. I recently bought 2 SSDs, and also bought a 9.5mm 2.5" drive caddy, so I can take out the optical drive in the MBP. The other SSD is going in my PC.

Is it better for me to just clone my OS, or just do a fresh install of OS Sierra? I never reinstalled the OS on this laptop, and I also don't have Time Machine set up. So far I have more data on my 750GB HD than the capacity of the SSD (about 328GB used up in total). Is there a way to just clone over the OS with applications and keep the other data untouched?

It'd just be a pain in the ass to reinstall Maya, Adobe CS6, and Microsoft Office.
 
Fliesen said:
which is why it's set it to "ask me before uploading".



but if your way works for you, that's fine, i guess ... i stil feel like there's some redundancy there ;)
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I don't want a dialog. I don't want to be bothered. Let me choose when to upload. Either way they're still synced to my iCloud.
 
I use OS X macOS with dark menu bar and dock but the notifications window on the right is now white. It makes reading the weather harder to see as the sun (yellow) can't be seen as easy on the white background.

It's an odd move since El Capitan. Anyway to change the notification window colour?
 
GeoNeo said:
I noticed it right away when I was watching videos on clean GM 1 install. I was like wtf is this shit checked Stats for Nerds and yup just as I expected.

Went back to El Capitan and no issues...yesterday did clean install of Final release after doing complete dban secure wipe of my rMBP internal SSD and checked again and still same issue.

Won't be home for a few hours people can check if they fixed this in Tech Preview but I doubt it.

https://developer.apple.com/safari/technology-preview/
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Still dropped around 130/3000, not sure what's going on there.
 
Faddy said:
Apple's interpretation of syncing is complete garbage.

The other day I decided to put some custom book covers on iBooks to make the shelf look pretty on my iPad. (This can only be done via iTunes)

I plug in the iPad and it starts to sync everything and it won't stop. What should been a simple process

1. click on the books tab
2. sync desired books to computer
3. add custom covers
4. sync them back to iPad

Literally an hour of syncing purchases I didn't want I ended up with books deleted from my iPad and a whole load of garbage apps installed. And U2. Fuck you Apple.
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https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201396
 
I keep getting this weird behavior when I connect my phone, where it doesn't really connect and it keeps vibrating every few seconds. Sometimes macOS says that the device is drawing too much power. Any of you seen this?
 
hateradio said:
Still dropped around 130/3000, not sure what's going on there.
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Well that sucks just as I thought. Did it ever stop dropping frames or did it continue to drop frames till you stopped the video?

On El Capitan the most frames I saw it ever drop throughout the WHOLE video was 50 total which is nothing considering how many frames the full video is.

Sad thing is this current Safari even drops frames on 720p 60fps videos. :(
 
boneyjangles said:
I love the subtle way windows magnetise to each others edges and the edges of the screen now. Really cures my window management OCD.
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Ditto. It's a really good feature that helps people with management whether they use Fullscreen or not. Couple it with something like BTT or BST or one of the many other utilities out there and you have some really good window management on macOS.

boneyjangles said:
Siri has some cool things to drag to the sidebar, but I really wish I could type questions. When in an office, talking to my computer is the last thing I want to do.
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Yeah. That and I think Siri NEEDS to be able to do EVERYTHING iOS Siri can do. And I mean EVERYTHING. It needs to be smart enough to know if it can't do something on the Mac and offer to do it on your iPhone or iPad. And why the fuck can't macOS Siri set a simple timer or alarm? That's some pretty trivial shit. Plus the lack of Hey, Siri is silly. And I can't even get dictation to work to hack it in. This stuff isn't that difficult, Apple. You want a unified experience between macOS and iOS? Then get this stuff working better!

boneyjangles said:
PiP is really nice, I like it better than I thought I would. I like how clean the PiP video is but I do wish for a scrubber bar a lot of the time. Double-right-clicking youtube to get it to work seems weird, hopefully that will be polished up, but with google I won't hold my breath, I'm still waiting for background audio and PiP on iOS (without red). If VLC gets PiP support I'll be very happy.
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Seriously. I've wanted PIP since Fullscreen came out. And when iOS got it I was really excited to see it come to macOS. I use it for YouTube a lot. Shame a lot of sites don't support it. Netflix is a big bummer. They use their own DRM HTML5 player, and there's no right-click. I want to do PIP in Netflix. And VLC NEEDS PIP too.


Edit: I do have a random complaint though. I really really hate how they changed the order of icons with their label on the right side. It used to be logical. Top to bottom then left to right in a column-based layout. That made sense for the look of the object. It's easier to read a list of files in this view when they're stacked in columns. But NOW they're by row and it's so hard to find anything I need at a glance because you can't read them in this orientation when they're by row. It shouldn't be like this. I hate it. Change it back. Or give us an option.

Also, the "Always show folders at the top" option needs to apply to all sort orders. Not just Name. I mean come on, Apple.
 
cereal_killerxx said:
Looks like my Macbook Late 2009 might only be supported for another year or two :(
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This is the first time they've dropped any machines in years. I know ArsTechnica is speculating they'll go for an iPhone approach where machines get 7 years support and cut off after that which would make the 2010 MBP and 2009 MB cut off next year, but no one knows until they announce 10.13 next June. I'd say 7/8 years is pretty darn good to still be getting updates constantly.
 
Anyone else having issues with wifi not reconnecting when waking? It's super annoying. The wifi is searching but stays offline until I click on my network in which case it instantly reconnects.
 
My macbook pro barely made the cut (mid 2010). Is this worth upgrading? I see nothing exciting from what I'm reading on apple's website. (I don't use siri on my iPhones).
 
GeoNeo said:
Well that sucks just as I thought. Did it ever stop dropping frames or did it continue to drop frames till you stopped the video?

On El Capitan the most frames I saw it ever drop throughout the WHOLE video was 50 total which is nothing considering how many frames the full video is.

Sad thing is this current Safari even drops frames on 720p 60fps videos. :(
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Actually all my tests were done at 720p@60fps. I can only imagine 1080p. :P
 
So since we are all NeoGaf users anyone else notice how annoying it is that GAF flashes white pages before loads sometime?

Does not happen on mobile iOS. It's due to GAF lacking set static background in body of its HTML code.


hateradio said:
Actually all my tests were done at 720p@60fps. I can only imagine 1080p. :P
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Framerate drops seems to be pretty much the same regardless of res. Clear sign of internal bug. :(

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So what are peoples fav apps or tweaks?

Fav tweaks:

Speed up the slow as fuck key repeat & navigation real handy if you dev or write a lot.

Terminal Codes (Reset for tweak to kick in)
Code: 
defaults write NSGlobalDomain KeyRepeat -int 1
defaults write NSGlobalDomain InitialKeyRepeat -int 12

Code to restore default:

defaults delete NSGlobalDomain KeyRepeat
defaults delete NSGlobalDomain InitialKeyRepeat

http://marianposaceanu.com/articles/macos-sierra-upgrade-from-a-developers-perspective

Change the layout (rows and columns) of Launchpad

http://www.defaults-write.com/change-the-layout-rows-and-columns-of-launchpad/
 
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