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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC

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Content Roundup - Episode 4 - To Have and To Hold

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Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- Onion A|V Club
- Zap2It
- IGN
- The Atlantic
- Slate.com Part 1, Part 2
- Rolling Stone
- NY Times
- Salon.com
- Maureen Ryan
- Tom & Lorenzo (style recap will be up later this week)
- Matt Zoller Seitz
- Grantland
- TV.com
- IndieWire
- Alyssa Rosenberg

Videos:
- Next on Mad Men: Episode 605 (please spoiler tag any discussion, youtube vid)
- Janie Bryant on Costumes in Episode 604: Inside Mad Men (youtube vid)
- Inside Episode 604 Mad Men: To Have and to Hold (youtube vid)

Other
- AMC Q&A with Elisabeth Moss
- Vanity Fair fashion recap
- Alex Ross on The Electric Circus, the psychedelic nightclub featured on Mad Men
- Grantland's Mad Men Power Rankings
- Mad Men Costume Designer Janie Bryant on Harry Crane's Season 6 Costumes
 
Anyone else notice that Mason Vale Cotton (Bobby 4.0) is listed as a regular in the opening credits this season?

Perhaps Bobby is finally going to get something to do this season.
 

wenis

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Anyone else notice that Mason Vale Cotton (Bobby 4.0) is listed as a regular in the opening credits this season?

Perhaps Bobby is finally going to get something to do this season.

Like make lemonade in the background while Betty is doing something in the foreground.
 

ZaCH3000

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I can't believe BertramCooper is arguing against giving Harry a partnership. Cooper should relinquish 5% of his stake to make Harry a junior partner at the least.
 
I'll probably butcher it but

"Like I always say, if you don't like what's being said, change the conversation"
Ice Cold Peggy. Especially as Don is listening in.
 
So did anyone else have a problem with the fact that the competing advertisement firm just happened to be standing outside the door right after Don gave his pitch? And then the meeting at the diner? It just didn't feel natural enough for Mad Men.
 
I'll probably butcher it but

"Like I always say, if you don't like what's being said, change the conversation"
Ice Cold Peggy. Especially as Don is listening in.

That was karma for Don inadvertently stealing "The cure for the common breakfast" from that doofus in Season 4.

And also for leaving Ginsberg's Sno-Cone idea in the taxi.

So did anyone else have a problem with the fact that the competing advertisement firm just happened to be standing outside the door right after Don gave his pitch? And then the meeting at the diner? It just didn't feel natural enough for Mad Men.

Remember the Honda pitch a couple of seasons ago? It seems like it must have been pretty common.
 

wenis

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So did anyone else have a problem with the fact that the competing advertisement firm just happened to be standing outside the door right after Don gave his pitch? And then the meeting at the diner? It just didn't feel natural enough for Mad Men.

It's happened before.
 

Empty

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So did anyone else have a problem with the fact that the competing advertisement firm just happened to be standing outside the door right after Don gave his pitch? And then the meeting at the diner? It just didn't feel natural enough for Mad Men.

nah. heinz ketchup is so big they don't give a shit how they treat small agencies, they want to maximize the use of the hotel room scdp paid for. obviously the group that won it was penciled in right after peggy, and she listened in like don, as how else would they know they bought it in the room. makes sense to me.

as for the diner presumably it's the first one they come to leaving the hotel, though it's a bit more contrived.
 

CrankyJay

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nah. heinz ketchup is so big they don't give a shit how they treat small agencies, they want to maximize the use of the hotel room scdp paid for. obviously the group that won it was penciled in right after peggy, and she listened in like don, as how else would they know they bought it in the room. makes sense to me.

as for the diner presumably it's the first one they come to leaving the hotel, though it's a bit more contrived.

i didn't even think in depth like you did here...you're a goddamn sleuth
 

Tenks

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nah. heinz ketchup is so big they don't give a shit how they treat small agencies, they want to maximize the use of the hotel room scdp paid for. obviously the group that won it was penciled in right after peggy, and she listened in like don, as how else would they know they bought it in the room. makes sense to me.

as for the diner presumably it's the first one they come to leaving the hotel, though it's a bit more contrived.

Is this how people are taking those scenes? I thought Peggy's firm won it.
 

xenist

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Why would Teddy complain about them "throwing out a small piece of the pie and have the small agencies fight over it" if they had the contract? Someone else did.
 

SickBoy

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Regarding Harry, it's hard to say for sure because I don't think a loser is always a loser in the world of Mad Men... but from Don's brief snippet of conversation with the swingin' soap power couple (oddly, I saw it coming when the wife invited Megan), I got the sense they were foreshadowing impending failure.

(Refresher: Don was warning about the pitfalls of a variety show)
 
Speaking of Dick Ketchup Guy, I was wondering how Beans found out about SDCP and Ketchup guy flaunting or leaking it seems most likely. Assuming he's a salt in the wound guy, he probably made sure Beans guy found out. It's not like he cared about Beans' relationship with SDCP, whether he picked them or not.
 

CrankyJay

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I think I must have completely forgotten what it was he did that so offended Don, because I can't remember ever thinking of him as a villain.

Client poaching I guess...

Chaough likes to think himself an equal and rival to Don Draper. When the Honda deal arrived at both SCDP and his own firm, both he and Don got the idea to visit Benihana. Much to the chagrin of his wife, Chaough egged Don on before moving to his own table.

Chaough, along with his firm was tricked by Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce into creating an expensive commercial for a potential Honda deal.[1]

Chaough, along with his firm, made an appearance at the annual CLIO award ceremony.[2]

After SCDP loses the Lucky Strike account, Ted courted Pete for a position at CGC. Pete continued to reject his offers. Ted even arrived at the hospital where Trudy was in labor to drop off a gift to the young couple, proposing that Pete join his firm - suggesting the name "Campbell Gleason and Chaough" - upon the retirement of senior partner, Cutler.[3]

Ted prank calls Don, pretending to be Senator Robert Kennedy after Don's full page New York Times ad, "Why I'm Quitting Tobacco", which refers to CGC as one of the firms that handles tobacco accounts well. Before Don hangs up on him, he asks how much that ad cost while the rest of his team laughed over the phone.[4]

In mid-January 1967 a dissatisfied Peggy is encouraged to approach other agencies by Freddy Rumsen, and CG&C is one of them. Chaough and Peggy meet in a diner; and Ted, who seems eager to hire Peggy as a 'copy chief', raises her offered $18,000 by an extra thousand. Since Don waived Peggy's two-weeks notice, Peggy is likely to have started working with Chaough by late-January.[5]
 
Rather gleeful client poaching, and a particular desire to knock SDCP off their perch. he seems to have been satisfied anough on that fron to have gotten Peggy.
 

ZaCH3000

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I think I must have completely forgotten what it was he did that so offended Don, because I can't remember ever thinking of him as a villain.

Probably the random gloating in public when Don and Betty were eating dinner together and the random phone calls.
 

Dance Inferno

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I think I must have completely forgotten what it was he did that so offended Don, because I can't remember ever thinking of him as a villain.

Well he was a complete dick to Don for some of the earlier seasons. He called and pretended to be Teddy Roosevelt after Don wrote the cigarette letter, he sent Don a decoy present after Roger insulted the Japanese, and so on and so forth.
 
Speaking of Dick Ketchup Guy, I was wondering how Beans found out about SDCP and Ketchup guy flaunting or leaking it seems most likely. Assuming he's a salt in the wound guy, he probably made sure Beans guy found out. It's not like he cared about Beans' relationship with SDCP, whether he picked them or not.

Raymond was such a putz.

He quickly became one of my most hated characters in the history of the show, probably because I've worked with so many backwards-thinking middle-aged dunces like him.
 
Nothing but napalm(which is ironic) was being dropped in this episode. When Don says, "I only did it because nobody was suppose to know" gives us some kind of insight about why Don cheats. This episode was all about disloyalty. Don gets a taste of what it feels like to be betrayed by the people you care about.
 

Tenks

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So is Dow Chemical a client now? Weird to have big news not even be explicitly stated if that's the case.

Yeah I wasn't sure if they were just selling a one-off thing for Dow or if they're in the rolodex. I had to assume the previous since you'd think that would be a rather large client.
 
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