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[Mafia] NX Launch Night |OT| Back of the Line!
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So here are my thoughts on this. I don't claim Kark to be The Best Mafia Player Ever, but I think he's smart enough to realize that his play doesn't make any sense. So that leads to the question, "Why on earth would he do this?" And I think it's just what happened. Who is capitalizing on an easy target, one that does something so incredibly stupid as to put a giant target on their back that says AIM HERE?
Aggressive play styles aren't a problem. In many cases they are perfectly fine and necessary. Tunneling without considering other options is a problem though.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, then I'm still sorry. Like I said, it was a joke and I didn't expect a pile-on.
No one is doing that though.
If you mean in particular to him saying that you won't take responsibility, well we won't know if you will or not until at least day 2 so I haven't seen any reason to pour my thoughts into that. Otherwise, it's more informative to see how you and Kark dance on attack and defense. One of you is probably going to flip today so we'll have to analyze the proceedings from there.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm not going all out on batsnacks today, but I'd like to point out this guy is pretty experienced. I would advise everyone to keep an eye on him in particular; that Junior Member tag could give people a false sense of inexperience.
Blargonaut
Banned
Breakfast? So thoughtful of you.
You hate me?
You're not even on the firing line, yet you're scrambling to cover your butt. What you so afraid of, brah? You wanna step?
You admit to preferring to take a backseat, you reaffirm you're keeping up with the thread when you so obviously have been AND you promise us some whack percentage fluff/tease pre-loaded swag when no one even directly asked you for it? I'm tired of cover-shooters like you. You seem to focus a lot on "chatty" people; IT'S DAY 1, you saying you like the noise, or don't you? Which one is it? Quality over quantity, breh.
Are you asking me to read instead of lead, is that it, bro? Why are you preparing for me? What you got in your old posts that's so relevant? Are you mocking me? What's with the promises? Why don't you deliver now? What's stopping you, huh, cabbeh?
What, scared to be an actually legit conversation piece?
I see your vote is on me, you actually gonna follow through with that and lock it in, or are you actually gonna pick a side with your Soup of the Day? You like surfing?
You hate me?
You're not even on the firing line, yet you're scrambling to cover your butt. What you so afraid of, brah? You wanna step?
You admit to preferring to take a backseat, you reaffirm you're keeping up with the thread when you so obviously have been AND you promise us some whack percentage fluff/tease pre-loaded swag when no one even directly asked you for it? I'm tired of cover-shooters like you. You seem to focus a lot on "chatty" people; IT'S DAY 1, you saying you like the noise, or don't you? Which one is it? Quality over quantity, breh.
Are you asking me to read instead of lead, is that it, bro? Why are you preparing for me? What you got in your old posts that's so relevant? Are you mocking me? What's with the promises? Why don't you deliver now? What's stopping you, huh, cabbeh?
What, scared to be an actually legit conversation piece?
I see your vote is on me, you actually gonna follow through with that and lock it in, or are you actually gonna pick a side with your Soup of the Day? You like surfing?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I signed a contract m8
No, but really, he said I'm suggesting I'm going to weasel my way out; when the fuck did I do that? That's a bold-faced lie.
I think it's up for debate whether Launch is tunneling or not, I know what his words say but his actions might be saying something different.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
My words are my actions in this game.
Fair, you did never suggest that you will weasel out, you've always been upfront about taking responsibility. That's fine though, it's not really an important topic which says more about Kark for bringing it up.
I certainly don't think he's inexperienced. I just think he's scum.
Okay.
I will once again say, I disagree that my behavior is anti-Town. It's easy to just call things that without really having a reason to. Lynching me is what's very anti-Town, and that's because I've clearly stated I'm at the very least a Town player, and someone who is here to fight for Town. Whether you believe I'm Ordinary or not is pretty inconsequential. At some point, my actions in the game matter more than whatever role I was dealt, but I'm 100%, written-on-the-role-PM, on Town's side..
We don't have to lynch anyone today, and I think many people in this game are inclined to taking that precaution - they're Town, they naturally have 0 info today, and they are reluctant to make a decision. That's what I'd expect from most people today. So do you understand how your actions look completely contrary to that? What does that imply?
I can't get to every single post directed at me, or something else distracts me, but I'll get to them now.
I honestly don't think anything could pull you off of a Kark vote today barring someone coming in here and saying "I am mafia, here is my role PM" I know you've said you would consider other options if they were good but I think you would just be more dismissive of other options while Kark is still on the table, that's instinct talking though.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Kark has a PR.
I'm about to kill something.
UNVOTE
I'm about to kill something.
UNVOTE
I don't think accountability is that important tbh. Like, if you're being reasonable then why does it matter if you are wrong? Townies are wrong all the time they have less info than mafia.
Oh, where did this train of thought come from?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Read the post above mine.
Also, quoting for posterity.
What, the backtracking on whether he is Ordinary or not?
I'm saying I do like the noise when it's something I can understand. I'm a hater of your behaviour, not you personally obvs. I like my Mafia easy to digest post by post. Not something that can be said when I read your stuff, it just makes me more confused.
Bottom line is I'm one of fifteen, so unless anyone else feels the same way, you've got nothing to worry about. It is the reason why I'm voting for you though. Currently pretty set on staying there.
The other stuff needs a little more time in the oven for me to think about.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm assuming you mean Kark's and not mine. It seems odd that you are just picking up on this now/actually believing it. His style of writing and hinting hasn't changed much. It still puts us in the bind that he is either playing with expectations and is scum making a strong move to hide in with town or he is actually ordinary and his "gambit" failed. Not that I want to force anyone to vote for him, if people have lost interest then that is fine but I want to hope that mystery option 3 is right which is why I'm still putting on vote towards him.
I don't know... I had a similar feeling when he kept repeating that a no-lynch is the optimal play. Felt like there might be reasons only he knew about for saying that. What power role benefits from a no-lynch though?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
Like I said, with time, doubt creeps in. If you're going to hold me to that vote, I'll still vote that way. But for right now, I'm willing to hear him out.
Unvoting was a gesture more than anything. I have more votes on me now than him.
No, I'm not going to be holding you to any vote. I'm currently just observing and saying my thoughts.
GAF seems to be fine for me currently.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Do you believe I'm town?
Currently I think both you and Kark are town. Granted that's with the limited information we have right now, but I'm leaning that way for the moment.
I think that 1, and only 1, out of you, batsnacks, and Kark is scum. It's hard to answer your question directly at this time because I'm seeing the 3 of you contingent on each other but the smart money is that batsnacks is the scum.
My thoughts exactly.
Karkador said:
This is all true.
Karkador said:
Nope. I haven't gone back through the last several pages yet, but personal feelings aside, if I think you're scum, I will come after you. I've had to go after players I like before, (Nin1000, Timeaisis, Blargonaut) and I'll do it again.
Going to take the wife to work, then sit down and read the thread. Then we'll start playing Mafia.
Jokes aside, it's nice for you to finally join us. I hope you aren't lying to me again
He must not like you. Womp womp.
Finally at the office! here to stop being the mysterious (and handsome) stranger most of you have me pegged as.
The way I see it, between Kark and yourself, you have a much lower chance of being scum.
The way I see it, between Kark and yourself, you have a much lower chance of being scum.
What is this unflipped associations stuff? I'm the towniest town who ever towned. I'm being reasonable, transparent, pushing the thread forward...
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
My main problem with batsnacks is that your argument on him hinges on something I don't believe to be true. As you saw just now, Kark unvoted me when I unvoted him; attacking me was a reaction to my attacking him. I dont think he was trying to bring out bandwagoners, because then he would have made a point or argument that coincides with that line of thinking.
Reposting:
This is one of the reasons for my thoughts on Kark's gambit.
These things do not make someone town, they make someone look town. By themselves, they are not indicative of alignment. Kark's little game brought out a love triangle between the 3 of you and my feeling is that the triangle caught something ugly.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I know you posted this before, and I should have said something then, but that seems like a one-off comment to support his guilt-tripping defense. I think you're reading too much into that specific comment.
If Kark is town, he seems like the safest town to attempt to sacrifice today. Kark was playing with you, yes, but his point was still to catch flies and he caught two pretty quick. If any of you 3 flip then I'll have a better understanding of the other two IMO.
Well you know what I say? If it LOOKS like a townie and it's being reasonable, transparent, and pushing the thread forward like a townie then it's probably a townie!
And making association reads between 3 people you don't know the alignments of is bad news. I would tell you this as any alignment because it's true.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I have to ask, yet again.
1. Throw out bait
2. Catch flies
3. ?????
4. Profit
WHAT IS STEP 3??
It's the only reason for me "trusting" him so far, but I just wanted to point it out.
People vote for the flies?
Wait, what? is that because of:
Because that doesn't necessarily seems to me that Kark has a town PR. Sure, he is a little more vague about his role, but still, if Kark really is a town PR then his little stunt of putting himself on the line is even more ridiculous.
Uh, you make association reads because you don't know their alignments. If we did know their alignments, what's the point of making a read on their association?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Considering I'm town, isn't this a spectacular backfire then?
The unvote was a gesture.
I don't know if I'd call it a backfire - maybe that it just didn't work as well as he'd hoped. That said, at this moment I still believe that batsnacks is scum.
This seems like an oddly defensive post, and the second part doesn't make much sense to me. If we knew the alignment of you 3, a read wouldn't be needed at all
the idea is lynching one would give us good reads on the other 2. Are you arguing against that?Trying to link mafia partners during early days is bad news, I agree. Thinking that scum crawled into bed with some townies playing a weird game is just deductive reasoning.
Step 3 could be:
- Kill Kark, he is scum, there was much rejoicing
- Kill Kark, he is town, boo, kill other flies
- ???
I know I keep messing with you with that last thing. I promise I'll lead with that question mark on day 2 if we eliminate Kark (or mafia does at night), if he is still alive then the secret has to stay on the off chance I'm right.
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