Retro? What has Retro to do with any of this?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
[Mafia] NX Launch Night |OT| Back of the Line!
- Thread starter CzarTim
- Start date
Retro? What has Retro to do with any of this?
I have no issue turboing Fireblend because as I said earlier, I have no issues ending a day early for confirmed scum. I believe Burb's claim and because I know what I am, I know that means that Fire must be the killer (or there is a ninja and EVERYONE AND THEIR FUCKING MOTHER visited Ouro last night).
Don't confuse Burb for a protector of myself, I have to claim anyway.
My role is the Rich Kid. I am spoiled because my parents buy me whatever I want, including the newest NX console last week, along with the awesome Xbox One and the PS4. They can buy me anything I want except for friends. My role is that of the neutral survivor. Also, because I have no friends (and here's the part where Tim is a dick and no one believes me), I've developed weird hobbies and habits. One of those habits is that I believe everyone should be allowed to identify however they like, even if they feel like they should have been born as a cow. I have one night action. I am allowed to LICK another player and in the morning, they will wake up with a cowlick. I have two win conditions, if I meet either then I leave the game. The first is your typical survivor schtick. If I make it to the end of the game, then I win because I got to spend a lot of time with everyone and make new friends. The second is if everyone else in the game (I can't lick myself) has a cowlick then I am satisfied with my cow persona and I also win that way.
So there you are, have my claim, and know that I do play with the intention of killing scum. I'm not the type of player who can make it to the end of a long game so I did what any good neutral player would do. I 100% sided myself with town and am hoping we can end this swiftly and quickly.
I took awhile writing this up just now, I saw something else posted I want to respond to.
Don't confuse Burb for a protector of myself, I have to claim anyway.
My role is the Rich Kid. I am spoiled because my parents buy me whatever I want, including the newest NX console last week, along with the awesome Xbox One and the PS4. They can buy me anything I want except for friends. My role is that of the neutral survivor. Also, because I have no friends (and here's the part where Tim is a dick and no one believes me), I've developed weird hobbies and habits. One of those habits is that I believe everyone should be allowed to identify however they like, even if they feel like they should have been born as a cow. I have one night action. I am allowed to LICK another player and in the morning, they will wake up with a cowlick. I have two win conditions, if I meet either then I leave the game. The first is your typical survivor schtick. If I make it to the end of the game, then I win because I got to spend a lot of time with everyone and make new friends. The second is if everyone else in the game (I can't lick myself) has a cowlick then I am satisfied with my cow persona and I also win that way.
So there you are, have my claim, and know that I do play with the intention of killing scum. I'm not the type of player who can make it to the end of a long game so I did what any good neutral player would do. I 100% sided myself with town and am hoping we can end this swiftly and quickly.
I took awhile writing this up just now, I saw something else posted I want to respond to.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yes, let's table an obvious mafia hive of activity for a townie who stepped in it pretty bad.
Wait a minute. You say you changed Sorian and Ouro (I presume you mean Ouro and not Retro), and then the mafia tried to kill Sorian instead? And this is why you think Sorian is scum?
Why do I not understand the logic of this.
First off, what does Retro have to do with anything? Second off, bullshit. I targeted Ouro last night and I've already received back the information that my action FAILED last night. If you were a switcher then my action would not have failed.
I realized this myself just now lol. Yeah, I have no idea what's going on, ugh.
I have an idea. It's the idea that your claim is fake.
Now I'm not sure if I should believe you and Ouro died through some other means. Could there be any sort of stealth killer role?
Tim, is there any way to know what a switcher's actions would resolve to in the scenario that Sorian would give someone something and then I'd switch that someone with who he gave it to?
Well if you got redirected back at yourself than your action probably did fail. Can you target yourself?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
It says Sorian can't lick himself.
If Fire switched him and Ouro then it would've failed.
If Fire switched him and Ouro then it would've failed.
So you are saying the mafia targeted Sorian, thus killing Ourob.......but the only 2 that visited Ourob are you and Sorian, that would make Sorian the killer that tried to kill.....himself, because they didn't know they got switched by you. Thats bullshit.
vote: fireblend
I still think you are the killer but I actually realized what your switcher post was supposed to say. My action failing would also make sense in that case because I can't lick myself. That being said, I still think you are a liar and I know you are the scum for the day. If I'm wrong then great, I die tomorrow I guess but then at least they would all know there was a ninja.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Fireblend claimed 12 minutes after Burb. Is that enough time for NFA to make up a role that clears them?
See my post above, I misread his switcher post. Yes, it would have failed because I can't lick myself.
If they are smart, they would try to plan it a bit in advance during the night and have role claims ready to go in an instance.
It would explain the somewhat-contradictions of Fire writing Retro when he was meaning Ouro and the contradiction that Sorian would have killed himself, maybe.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yeah, Burb and Sorian's claims are checking out but....
How likely is it that this is all a ruse?
How likely is it that this is all a ruse?
I was so focused on writing out my role claim (I didn't have that pre-written cause I thought this was going to be a long day of scum hunting and I wasn't planning to claim right this second) so excuse me for missing these inconsistencies in his post. Yes, further bullshit, I would have killed myself in that scenario.
If you're wrong, yet another PR townie is lost and then you're most likely down 2 other players against whatever amount of mafia players there are on day 3, one of them a stealth killer.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Fireblend is definitely mafia, but is him tripping over his fake role claim a bus or is it legit, is what I'm asking.
I don't think I'm wrong, what you've said didn't make any sense to me and I think it's because Burb got you reeling real quick. You scrambled to get a role together because you would have had no reason to think someone watched the kill happen and it came out sloppy.
If he purposely tripped over his fake role claim, what would that gain them? Honest question, I really don't know.
Yeah, I am in favor of Lynching fire, testing sorian his claim, then if both of them turn town, we know there is a stealth killer (or you are lying, but I kind of doubt that right now).
I have to lick each night, my action is not allowed to be unused. Just for reference.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
A stealth killer? Considering the number of interesting roles in this game, I wouldn't put it past Tim, but stealth just makes NFA way too strong. The fact that 3(?) of them can continue to night-kill until they're all gone (and can likely pass off the kill to one of them, making it hard to roleblock/watch) is already an advantage.
VOTE: Fireblend
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This is true.
You and Burb could be bussing him to gain cred with 2 elaborate roleclaims and one that crumbles under scrutiny.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yeah I guess that slip didn't help me. If I was coming up with a fake roleclaim, why would I have entertained the possibility of lying about Retro there though? I was mentioning who Sorian gave the item to. That's not something that was up for discussion
The problem isn't Retro, it's that your claim doesn't make any sense in the sequence of events.
I'm ok with turboing Fireblend, but I'd rather everyone agree to that before doing it.
He could have licked someone who was scum. In fact, going by his role he should have. They would simultaneously have to admit it, and they'd probably last longer. Add this in to Sorian waiting for Burb to speak up. All so fishy.
Sorian prewrote out a post first thing, yet he is now trying to use handwriting of posts as some kinda cred that clears him and outs another? If he was coming fully clean like we believe why would he not also have his role reveal ready?
Fair and I guess even when I lick someone tomorrow that won't completely clear this suspicion.
If we turbo Fire, we should also decide who we want Sorian to lick (eeeeewh, I can't believe I just typed that). I don't want to let make Sorian that decision himself for the chance he is actually the scum here.
I had no intention of role revealing until near the end of the day phase. That's basically why I told you to go fuck yourself. As far as I'm concerned though, this day phase can end whenever now and I didn't want the day phase to end without me claiming cause then scum might NK me thinking my night action is something important.
If I and Sorian were bussing Fire together, that would mean Sorian's claim would most likely be fake (why would scum give a cow kiss? I guess it's possible). If Sorian's claim is fake, it would be eventually found out.
I'm not going to listen to whoever you say. Scum might just decide to NK the same person so that no one can verify again and I'm pretty sure I'm fucked if that happens again.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'd rather Sorian not lick me. It's not lost on me that I was not a viable target last night because I could just as easily have shown up today and gotten a lot of flack for laat days decision, but I'm on the table again. Mafia might think that since I got away with that, I might as well die. I won't be able to confirm it if that happens.
It doesn't explain your need to go for the towniest of towns to test your claim (if you are indeed acting pro-town as a self claimed neutral) when if instead you could have went for the scummiest and had they lied (which they'd have no reason to anyways as it is incriminating), you would have outed scum.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
UNVOTE
Before we turbo Fireblend, we should go back and look at what happened before Burb claimed.
-There was early pressure on Sorian.
-Blarg wanted to focus on Launchpad.
-Sorian made a soft claim.
-To this point, Fireblend and Burb were relatively quiet. They had long reads on Day 1 but weren't under suspicion.
I'll have to think so more on Burb's claim. It seems generous, basically offering up scum on a silver platter (Fireblend's defence didn't help). But it seems too easy.
Before we turbo Fireblend, we should go back and look at what happened before Burb claimed.
-There was early pressure on Sorian.
-Blarg wanted to focus on Launchpad.
-Sorian made a soft claim.
-To this point, Fireblend and Burb were relatively quiet. They had long reads on Day 1 but weren't under suspicion.
I'll have to think so more on Burb's claim. It seems generous, basically offering up scum on a silver platter (Fireblend's defence didn't help). But it seems too easy.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Basically where I'm at...
Blargonaut
Banned
CAST IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE
- Burbeting is claiming to be a FunTown Watcher, who watched Ourobolus last night, and is now voting for Fireblend.
- Fireblend is claiming to be a FunTown Switcher, who switched Ourobolus with Sorian last night, and is voting for Sorian.
- Sorian is claiming to be a Neutral Survivor Cow who can win by either vanilla Surviving to the end, or by bestowing a 'Cow Lick' mark on 1 player a Night (except for himself) until everyone else in the game has been licked/marked, and who has not stated who he Licked last night; and is voting for Fireblend.
#ALRIGHTYTHEN
Sorian, you're clearly doing it wrong; you should have role claimed as a FunTown Doctor who protected cabbeh last night, and vote for Burbeting.
¬_¬
LaunchpadMcQ is Mc'Loving this.
I am acting pro-town but I do have my own win condition here. It was unlikely I was going to guess scum correctly and even if I did, they would probably have no reason to lie. The thing is, you all had the highest chance of believing Ouro. let's say I licked Launch. If he came back and corroborated my story, would you have believed it or would you have thought it was two scum making up a story? I thought Ouro vouching for me was my best bet.
I know I'm under scrutiny here but a word of advice. One thing I've been seeing a lot of, town lets a verified scum sit around wiggling all day while the town continues to drop information after information just to feed the scum for their next night kill. That's why I like to turbo if it is obvious who is scum. Day 3 (day 4?) of DR should have had no discussion IMO, they should have turbo'd Tim ASAP and let the scum fumble in the dark some more (hope that's ok as an example since it is a concluded storyline).
I did state who I licked last night. I targeted Ouro. Unless someone else wants to come in and bullshit with us and say they got my lick instead but I already know it failed, no one got that cowlick. I'll lick again tonight, hopefully my guess is better this time.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I propose this:
Lynch Fireblend.
Let Sorian do his cowlick - and so help me god, if the next cowlicked person dies, I will turbo you. You can't target Burb, either.
We'll from there.
Lynch Fireblend.
Let Sorian do his cowlick - and so help me god, if the next cowlicked person dies, I will turbo you. You can't target Burb, either.
We'll from there.
Fair enough, as long as you target someone that is pretty trusted by everyone I guess I can be OK with that. And if the person that confirmed you ever flips scum for some reason, we will know where to look next.