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So without any concrete new info, my inclination is to lynch Kingkitty, Absolutbro, or MattyG.
Kitty has started posting a lot more since Pants died. It could be that they need a new mouthpiece to try and direct our wrath. LoC also started posting far more, but he died so fast it's hard to call that a trend. Either way, I plan to kill them over the next two nights, hopefully before I die, assuming we don't learn anything new.
I am not going into any further details about my role. Everything will be clear after I die.
Kitty has started posting a lot more since Pants died. It could be that they need a new mouthpiece to try and direct our wrath. LoC also started posting far more, but he died so fast it's hard to call that a trend. Either way, I plan to kill them over the next two nights, hopefully before I die, assuming we don't learn anything new.
I am not going into any further details about my role. Everything will be clear after I die.
I'd also like to know that. If he was your target I'd also like to know why.
I see..then i guess it's time for me to reveal my secret role.
I...am a townie.
If anyone left has the ability to check who i am, then feel free.
I don't see how my actions really benefited mafia. Pants AND Lordofcastamere voted to lynch Karkador. I also initially voted for Karkador because lol, it seemed risky not to. But I later backed QuantumBro's suggestion and changed my vote to Rembrandt. I was the second vote!
The final vote was 7 - Rembrandt, 6 - Karkador
If I was mafia, I wouldn't see the strategic advantage in voting for Rembrandt, especially when the vote count was pretty close. It didn't help that Karkador actually said he would kill Pants if given the chance. And look what happened!
2 out of the 5 people (not including Karkador) who voted to lynch Karkador were later outed as mafia.
The people left in that pile are MattyG, traube, and ultron87. I think there's a good chance at least someone there left over is mafia. I'm certain it's not ultron87.
So..it could be MattyG?
vote:MattyG
I don't see any way for regular townie to prove it without outside help.
You would think that...
REVEAL
But here I am to reveal to you all my true identity... sex icon and film star Gerhardt Schlongstein!
Yeah, when he see's that post he'll confirm my role. I guess I technically do have a special ability then, just nothing that could be useful to root out mafia.
I almost revealed a few phases ago when you voted for me, but I wanted to see how long I could wait before I absolutely had to use it. With two votes against me and so few other people to choose from, I figured now was as good a time as any.
Who'd you target last night?
Zippedpinhead
Member
So MattyG is claiming "Famous Townsperson",
I.e. the ron burgundy character... People know me, I'm kind of a big deal.
I guess we wait for Crab then, at least when it concerns MattyG.
RE: Karkador and Palmer and RNH
Look this is a chicken and an egg thing kark is obviously waiting for Palmer to come clean and Palmer wants to know if Kark killed Stay dead or targeted someone else.
I also want to know what Robot Ninja Hornets has done the last two nights. Yesterday moved so quickly I am not sure he had a chance to say what he did...
I.e. the ron burgundy character... People know me, I'm kind of a big deal.
I guess we wait for Crab then, at least when it concerns MattyG.
RE: Karkador and Palmer and RNH
Look this is a chicken and an egg thing kark is obviously waiting for Palmer to come clean and Palmer wants to know if Kark killed Stay dead or targeted someone else.
I also want to know what Robot Ninja Hornets has done the last two nights. Yesterday moved so quickly I am not sure he had a chance to say what he did...
I feel like that question is rhetorical and symbolic. That you asked the question probably means more than my answer. Don't you think?
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MattyG is confirmed as Town-aligned.
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(you have no idea how long I've been waiting for you to use that role 
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)Zippedpinhead
Member
That's pretty awesome!
Alright, that narrows the pool even more. Now that we absolutely know you're town, what are your thoughts?
I'm really not sure to be honest. Do we have a list of people we know or a fact are town? That would make it a lot easier. I seem to remember a lot of people basically being confirmed as townies last phase but I can't seem to find the posts.
Also, I want to know what this is all about:
Did Kark attack ultron and get blocked?
Not sure about that list. But for me only Ultron and you (can I get an autograph?) are confirmed townies at the moment. Plamer most likely is too. Unless Mafia only targeted him knowing he would be watched. Which seems highly unlikely.
Unless Ultron is Mafia and they played us like a damn fiddle.
Not sure what to make of Karkadors post. But I am still not a fan of a serial killer, whose true goals are still a mystery, amongst us.
So
vote: Karkador
I don't know what this could mean at this point, but I found it weird that LoC lies (or is mistaken) about killing nin1000. I killed nin1000.
FWIW, part of my reasoning for targeting pants as a mafia was that he had nothing on him when you checked him. I figured the Mafia types are the ones who know each other and not target each other at night.
AbsolutBro
Member
Thought this might help people to get their thoughts together:
If there are other confirmed players that I've missed (and I most likely have), I can repost (since I can't edit).
If there are other confirmed players that I've missed (and I most likely have), I can repost (since I can't edit).
Staydead is dead, Absolut.
Here's how I've got people aligned, currently:
Town
Ultron87 - There's already been a Mafia version of his role that died, and all info he's provided has helped town
Timeasis - I thought we had a particular reason to trust him, but I can't remember right now. Was it something Ultron posted before?
MattyG - Yup
Palmer_v1 - Again, it follows that if you trust Ultron, I've been targeted by Mafia night actions.
RobotNinjaHornets - though his silence is aggravating me. What has he done since his bullshit last minute save?
Mafia
AbsolutBro
kingkitty
tomakasatnav
Unsure
traube
Zippedpinhead
El Topo
Other
Karkador
Here's how I've got people aligned, currently:
Town
Ultron87 - There's already been a Mafia version of his role that died, and all info he's provided has helped town
Timeasis - I thought we had a particular reason to trust him, but I can't remember right now. Was it something Ultron posted before?
MattyG - Yup
Palmer_v1 - Again, it follows that if you trust Ultron, I've been targeted by Mafia night actions.
RobotNinjaHornets - though his silence is aggravating me. What has he done since his bullshit last minute save?
Mafia
AbsolutBro
kingkitty
tomakasatnav
Unsure
traube
Zippedpinhead
El Topo
Other
Karkador
As I go back through the older posts when RNH, Ultron, and Quantum started opening everything up, I had a thought about RNH's list. We've killed two Mafia roles with abilities already. How many more ACTIVE roles are they likely to have? We killed their version of RNH(which incidentally makes me trust RNH, cause I doubt Crab would give them two of the same role), and a role blocker(which makes me wonder if we have a matching town blocker as well). We also know they don't have a second killing role or we would be having a lot more double/triple kill nights.
Anyway, the point is that it seems increasingly likely that the remaining Mafia will not be able to perform any special night actions aside from their single kill, which in turn means that we should possibly pay more attention to the people RNH has looked at who did not target anyone.
Or just kill Karkador.
Anyway, the point is that it seems increasingly likely that the remaining Mafia will not be able to perform any special night actions aside from their single kill, which in turn means that we should possibly pay more attention to the people RNH has looked at who did not target anyone.
Or just kill Karkador.
You're right, I mixed up their roles. I still think Ultron is town though.
Your further points about RNh, I'm not sure about. Even if he was just "borrowing" a report from his teammate LoC, it means that LoC would have had to show up instead, on the night Ultron confirmed an RNH visit.
That makes you trust RNH more?
The point is, RNH could have claimed a role his fellow mafia person had, and at least have some safety in playing around with a known quantity.
RNH said nothing of import with his list. He named two players with roles that we already knew about, two players who conveniently look innocent because he said they did nothing, and two redacted names. It's smoke and mirrors.
The point is, RNH could have claimed a role his fellow mafia person had, and at least have some safety in playing around with a known quantity.
RNH said nothing of import with his list. He named two players with roles that we already knew about, two players who conveniently look innocent because he said they did nothing, and two redacted names. It's smoke and mirrors.
For this post, it's not uncommon for town and Mafia to have some identical active roles. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Still worth pursuing this RNH is a liar plot though. Here's the only list he ever posted, with my notes added:
Night 1: Traube - no target - Only Traube could confirm if this was true or not, and that could be risky.
Night 2: REDACTED - No info to gain
Night 3: Palmer - target - I definitely Target at night, but I had already admitted that. On the other hand, Ultron verified I was visited by RNH specifically. Was it a Mafia kill attempt and I was saved? I can't remember.
Night 4: REDACTED - No info to gain
Night 5: Quantumbro - target - Quantum had already admitted he targets, I think? Someone verify please, I'm running out of time this morning. Why target Quantum here either way, if RNH is town?
Night 6: Tomakasatnav - no target - Same as for Traube.
I just posted to clarify what I mean. The night he visited me is the kink in your theory. Either Ultron lied when he confirmed the visit, he visited me a different way(i.e. he was the Mafia killer that night), or you're wrong about him borrowing the list from LoC.
You claimed to be a sleep walker, and Quantum was out by the time RNH claimed.... Both of these roles were already presumed to be active every night, and ultron's info was public enough to creatively fill in a gap if you knew you were involved (like I did).
It was the safest claim to make.
It was the safest claim to make.
AbsolutBro
Member
Ah, sorry, I just copied the list from page 1.
Not sure how what I've done to make you think I'm mafia, or what I can do to change you mind. I understand my posting habits are sparse and scattered; it's my first time ever playing one of these so I'm a bit hesitant.
Honestly though, I'm sort of leaning to the Townies getting played by the Mafia. LoC getting outted could easily have been a ploy.
Ultron87 reveals himself, but won't name names for fear of outing the town specials to the Mafia. Did we ever get those names? That would certainly give Kark a few more people to go after. I also feel like his continued survival is suspicious, given he revealed himself what, 3 days ago?
You yourself claim to be a town aligned sleepwalker, but we know that Stay Dead had that role. Would "sleepwalker" really be the first special role to be doubled up? Of all the roles?
He could just have a completely separate mafia role we haven't even thought about. He could be the mafia switcher, for example. Or the mafia version of the cop.
Furthermore, all information he provided was conveniently already known by us. We know you target people every night (you claimed as such before he info dumped). We also knew QuantumBro was likely targeting people every night by that time.
As for traube and Tomakasatnav, here's an interesting mental gymnastic you can do. You said in your previous post you thought tomakasatnav and traube could be mafia, and yet according to RNH's information, neither of them targeted anyone on the nights he looked into them.
I believe everything Ultron was hiding has been revealed by now. RNH still has a few things hidden though.
Those mental gymnastics are what I was getting at to some degree, yes. I guess I'm going off previous offline werewolf experience. With the number of players we started with, I've been assuming 5, maybe 6 Mafia. Of those, you'd have maybe half with an active role(LoC, Pants, MAYBE 1 more), and maybe 1 or 2 more with passive roles, i.e. Mafia version of Duress, or whatever the role is that scans as town aligned to a cop. There's usually 1 or 2 generic Mafia as well though. Just hard to say how loaded Crab made the game.
Speaking of Cop, I still cannot believe one hasn't come out. I'm not saying they should, but this is insane.
Ah, I see. So you're basically saying you assume we have 5-6 mafias. Two of which have been found (with roles). So we have 3-4 left.
You're thinking roles are an even split with mafia, then
With 6 mafia
3 special roles
3 regular mafia
So, by that, we'd only have a maximum of one mafia special role left. Which doesn't clear traube or tomakasatnav as town with RNH's information. It works, so to speak. As for if those two are mafia, I don't know. traube hasn't done anything super scummy, and tomakasatnav had that one slip and hasn't done anything suspicious since (in my mind).
That being said, I still don't trust RNH. He jumped in when it was convenient, made a very convenient role claim, and provided a very convenient set of (mostly) already known information.
I think Kark's theory is worth investigating. He is mafia and used LoC's role to clear himself, knowing a townie couldn't counter him, and knowing some details about who LoC looked at. It's worth noting he's given us no information since.
Why not, as an exercise, we ask RNH to provide the past two days of info he's gotten? I mean, if he is who he says he is surely he's gotten some extra info, even if it isn't super useful. We can at least corroborate it with other information we have.
Thoughts?
More info dump stuff:
Dead
Barrylocke the Old Colonel [killed Night 1]
egruntz the Ordinary Tourist [1 prod] [lynched Day 2]
Duress the Real Tough Guy [killed Night 2]
johnnyquicknives the God-fearing American [lynched Day 3]
Foshy the Ordinary Tourist [killed Night 3]
Ward the Ordinary Tourist [killed Night 3]
Kalor the Ordinary Tourist [lynched Day 4]
irfanaator the Ordinary Tourist [killed Night 4]
Amir0x the Ordinary Tourist [lynched Day 5]
nin1000 the Medical Student [killed Night 6]
Rembrandt the Ordinary Tourist [lynched Day 7]
pants the Blonde Bombshell [killed Night 7]
QuantumBro the Magical Entertainer [killed Night 7]
Lord of Castamere the Shadow [lynched Day 8]
StayDead the Sleepwalker [Killed Night 8]
27 players. Let's assume the worse end and go with 6 mafia and 21 Tourists. We we know it's less with Karkador though, which also makes me think 5 mafia, but we'll stick with 6 for this purpose.
There are only 12 players left alive. A majority vote is now 7 people.
Town has lost 7 Ordinary Tourists, 4 power roles, and 2 passive roles. We would have 7 tourists left. We have one known power role(Ultron), 1 alleged(RNH), and whatever I am(You'll find out when I die). That's 4 unknown tourists. Assuming there aren't further neutral roles beyond Karkador.
Mafia has lost 2 power roles. They would have 4 players left. Note that AT LEAST a third of tourists have no special role whatsoever. Can't guarantee it's the same here.
And then there's motherfuckin' Karkador. Just casually slitting throats every night like he's Dexter.
Note that seeing these numbers makes me more inclined to go with 5 Mafia, 22 Town(or other).
Anyway, this also showed me we had two deaths night 3, when RNH claims to have visited me, and Quantum switched other people. So RNH was not a normal Mafia killer that night. He's definitely got a Role that can target.
Dead
Barrylocke the Old Colonel [killed Night 1]
egruntz the Ordinary Tourist [1 prod] [lynched Day 2]
Duress the Real Tough Guy [killed Night 2]
johnnyquicknives the God-fearing American [lynched Day 3]
Foshy the Ordinary Tourist [killed Night 3]
Ward the Ordinary Tourist [killed Night 3]
Kalor the Ordinary Tourist [lynched Day 4]
irfanaator the Ordinary Tourist [killed Night 4]
Amir0x the Ordinary Tourist [lynched Day 5]
nin1000 the Medical Student [killed Night 6]
Rembrandt the Ordinary Tourist [lynched Day 7]
pants the Blonde Bombshell [killed Night 7]
QuantumBro the Magical Entertainer [killed Night 7]
Lord of Castamere the Shadow [lynched Day 8]
StayDead the Sleepwalker [Killed Night 8]
27 players. Let's assume the worse end and go with 6 mafia and 21 Tourists. We we know it's less with Karkador though, which also makes me think 5 mafia, but we'll stick with 6 for this purpose.
There are only 12 players left alive. A majority vote is now 7 people.
Town has lost 7 Ordinary Tourists, 4 power roles, and 2 passive roles. We would have 7 tourists left. We have one known power role(Ultron), 1 alleged(RNH), and whatever I am(You'll find out when I die). That's 4 unknown tourists. Assuming there aren't further neutral roles beyond Karkador.
Mafia has lost 2 power roles. They would have 4 players left. Note that AT LEAST a third of tourists have no special role whatsoever. Can't guarantee it's the same here.
And then there's motherfuckin' Karkador. Just casually slitting throats every night like he's Dexter.
Note that seeing these numbers makes me more inclined to go with 5 Mafia, 22 Town(or other).
Anyway, this also showed me we had two deaths night 3, when RNH claims to have visited me, and Quantum switched other people. So RNH was not a normal Mafia killer that night. He's definitely got a Role that can target.
It's worth consideration, but it hasn't convinced me he's Mafia yet.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I am inclined to believe that we don't have a town blocker, the only roles that Town would want to block are karkador, general mafia kill, or the other blocker. Two of those are already handled by the Doctor/med student of the game. I haven't seen a point in having a town blocker when most of the time that person will more likely than not block a town move.
However, I am convinced they have a bulletproof/nine lives/not night-time killable player on the mafia team.
with their two biggest power roles likely gone, they will probably either take a night off (without a doctor my personal most likely situation last night) or keep the same submitter each time. this limits their exposure (because there has to be townsfolk without night time actions still). Without RNH Chiming in on who is actually targeting, all we can go on is who visits others from Ultron.
Why would Ultron Out LoC like that if he was Mafia? It would be different if someone else had picked up on it and then Ultron compiled his post but as it was the first of us (myself included) kind of bought into LoC's bull.
Ultron - On Night 4, did you get any indication from Crab that you had a "night of Passion" per Pant's role bio?
Karkador - Have you had two attempts at your life or just the one? I keep coming back to Nights 2, 4 (mainly cause ultron was blocked and didn't post flavor text), and 5 (the night of no deaths)
Maybe they noticed that they screwed up with the list and decided to make a scape goat out of LoC to strengthen their position.
But I think that is very unlikely. Just wanted to write it down in case it should indeed be true. So I can quote myself after the game has ended with "HA! I knew it!"
AbsolutBro
Member
For exactly this question; to solidify everyone behind him because why would a mafia out someone who was mafia. Without being able to edit posts, the error most likely would have been spotted. Better to throw LoC under the bus and get in front of the mistake, rather than wait and risk someone saying "why didn't you notice this?"
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