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MAG |OT| 256-Player Battles, Lots of Teamwork, Not So Much Auto-Aim
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Beardz
Member
TheFallen said:
1- Agreed
2- Nope, fragos should stay they way they are, same goes for healing/reviving players; you can't really boost this way, you get more points points completing objectives, than "boosting".
3- ??? You can switch classes all time, don't you know? Switching classes is basic for a game like this, as for me, being engineer is having a repair kit and that's all.
4- No! we don't need campers, tnxbye!
5- We don't need rooms full of players doing nothing.
Ze_Pershing
Member
Click said:
From what I hear, donkeys shit gold bricks.
Stop assuming that we are butt hurt by snipers, that is just stupid assumption. I said numerous times I have nothing against snipers.. selective reading FTW. I sniped in BF1942 and BF2 for awhile and was pretty good at it too. If I wanted I would probably be good at sniping in MAG too but also, I wouldn't be lying to myself that sniping is a huge benefit for my team.
For all we know zipper could be using aim-bots. :lol (I'm kidding if you're not bright enough to figure it out)
Click said:
I know Zipper destroyed IGN/eurogamer but by that time three quarters of IGN team were drunk(i had two pints while waiting and a beck inside for free so still had my senses) and eurogamers were all under 18 it seemed to me. Plus we had no way to communicate to each other in the squad as you couldnt hear the dam mics. Zipper were great but once i found my feet after a 2-11 start i managed to pull my way back.
(i was actually please with my performence seeing my start was poor, managing to revive someone was a miracle as they all liked to bleed out, and i have never been the best with k'd ratios)
but anyways, the actual journalists who played zipper earlier in the day actually won according to deepbrown.
deepbrown said:
to be fair, i didnt see much sniping from them and maybe thats why they lost to the journalists, but then they were the bullet sponges known as Valor so it was impossible to kill them in direct combat.
Kowak said:
I wasn't there so I wouldn't know, but if you were Zipper, wouldn't you also let JOURNALISTS win too? I mean, if you beat the shit out of them, how do you think you may be reviewed? It's like letting business partners or bosses beat you in golf....
People who played Zipper in the IGN tourny thing said they were crazy good snipers and therefore beat the crap out of good players playing against them. I couldn't care less about random forum users in Europe playing them, nor a bunch of journalists supposedly beating Zipper.
They should hold a real contest a month or 2 after the game's release... with the highest ranked 256 players against Zipper. THAT would be the true test to see how good Zipper employees are against good players.
JonathanEx
Member
The Zipper guys actually won the second of the 2 journalist matches (when they were defending) but no-one seems to have noticed. Or saw the screens saying "MASSIVE DEFEAT". Everyone seemed to assume we won the second time.
EMCSquared
Neo Member
Unfortunately, I was not able to get into the beta, but I was curious about what you guys (those that played the beta) thought about how the actual teamwork will play out once the game sees a wide release?
-Do you think that the incentives that the game provides will be able to deter and/or eliminate griefers?
-Also do you think that the incentive/exp system is able to achieve useful teamwork (ie gameplay that does not revolve around ineffectual exp farming)?
-Do you think that the incentives that the game provides will be able to deter and/or eliminate griefers?
-Also do you think that the incentive/exp system is able to achieve useful teamwork (ie gameplay that does not revolve around ineffectual exp farming)?
templeusox
Banned
It's cool man. Rationalize away your sniper lifestyle choice.Click said:
Ze_Pershing
Member
Click said:
I know, right? All the bitching about how snipers should get more points for kills is getting boring. :lol
Just a few more days, indeed.
Ze_Pershing said:
I don't think you're following here. I want an additional point or two for killing people at long range. Not overall kill number, because right now it's lopsided. I shouldn't be getting 200-250xp for killing 35 people which stopped them from getting into our bases. I'd like to say people running and gunning, dying repeated at the objective isn't as significant as you think. If you think sniping isn't just as significant as any other role, then you haven't played with a good sniper. If you're on an opposing faction to SVER, you'll find out then if we play against each other when your teammates say they have to take a different route because there's a sniper covering that one, or stay down we're getting sniped out of the base and can't make it back in.
Yep, you are STILL butthurt, for some odd reason... Do you even know the meaning of the word "whine"?Click said:
less cover on SVER map = sniper heaven = good for Raven/Valor to hunt those snipers down = waaaaaaaaaah! Wait, what?
You need to learn to read, and stop taking things personally. In case you didn't notice, most of us (at least I wasn't) are not talking about enemy snipers, but too many snipers in our own squad that do nothing to help take the objective when you're losing.
Raven maps having too much cover is good for the defending team. Not so much for someone who wants to become a career sniper and help the team. That's NOT a bad thing. I'm not ttacking snipers though, I love to snipe myself.
Snipers are important, I agree. But it's annoying when half your team is sniping when you want them to be at the objective. Especially when you're attacking.J-Rzez said:I don't think you're following here. I want an additional point or two for killing people at long range. Not overall kill number, because right now it's lopsided. I shouldn't be getting 200-250xp for killing 35 people which stopped them from getting into our bases. I'd like to say people running and gunning, dying repeated at the objective isn't as significant as you think. If you think sniping isn't just as significant as any other role, then you haven't played with a good sniper. If you're on an opposing faction to SVER, you'll find out then if we play against each other when your teammates say they have to take a different route because there's a sniper covering that one, or stay down we're getting sniped out of the base and can't make it back in.
Ze_Pershing
Member
J-Rzez said:I don't think you're following here. I want an additional point or two for killing people at long range. Not overall kill number, because right now it's lopsided. I shouldn't be getting 200-250xp for killing 35 people which stopped them from getting into our bases. I'd like to say people running and gunning, dying repeated at the objective isn't as significant as you think. If you think sniping isn't just as significant as any other role, then you haven't played with a good sniper. If you're on an opposing faction to SVER, you'll find out then if we play against each other when your teammates say they have to take a different route because there's a sniper covering that one, or stay down we're getting sniped out of the base and can't make it back in.
That I can agree with. That way snipers could advance little bit quicker to get better equipment for sniping. It is fairly easy to max out a medic.
Sadly, at least until I max out my character, we shall not face each other. I will start out SVER, after that who knows, if I decide to change factions than there's a chance. I'm looking forward to it, I like little competition in any way, shape or form.
Hopefully we'll also have a chance to play on the same team. Having a good sniper looking out for you is always welcome.
PedroLumpy
Member
As a run and gunner, on offense I view it like this. If I repeatedly keep eating sniper rounds while I'm doing my thing, the snipers on our team aren't really doing they're job. Much like how a sniper probably views getting stabbed in the back as a failure by the run and gunners to hold the line. Sorta give and take ya know? Obviously it depends alot on the situation but it's a general rule.
On defense I only get annoyed if the snipers are WAAAAY back of the objective. I'm a firm believer in killing people well before they reach the objective, and I question their ability to influence control over an area.
Killeath wise, I would expect snipers to have a good ratio, far more impressive is the number of kills they get. 10-15 kills is nice and all, but 30 or something (thinking sabotage mode I guess) means that dude wasn't just sitting there waiting for jobbers to walk into his crosshairs. I mean, I'm charging around actively looking for people to kill, and you can rival my # of kills? Very impressive.
High skill, high reward role. Just too many people like doing it. Balance seemed fine in the beta, the only thing would be the balance on some higher tiered rifles, as I doubt they were as prevelent as they will be in the final game.
Oh, and the small frago radius bugs me too. Maybe have it sorta fall off the farther you get? I tend to only get Frago points when the squad has failed and I'm retreating to retake the point. Generally you want the frontline not to be right on the objectives doorstep ya know?
On defense I only get annoyed if the snipers are WAAAAY back of the objective. I'm a firm believer in killing people well before they reach the objective, and I question their ability to influence control over an area.
Kill
eath wise, I would expect snipers to have a good ratio, far more impressive is the number of kills they get. 10-15 kills is nice and all, but 30 or something (thinking sabotage mode I guess) means that dude wasn't just sitting there waiting for jobbers to walk into his crosshairs. I mean, I'm charging around actively looking for people to kill, and you can rival my # of kills? Very impressive.High skill, high reward role. Just too many people like doing it. Balance seemed fine in the beta, the only thing would be the balance on some higher tiered rifles, as I doubt they were as prevelent as they will be in the final game.
Oh, and the small frago radius bugs me too. Maybe have it sorta fall off the farther you get? I tend to only get Frago points when the squad has failed and I'm retreating to retake the point. Generally you want the frontline not to be right on the objectives doorstep ya know?
Click said:
Ok.
I was in 3 beta phases, so I got tired of having to start from scratch every time.
It will be interesting to see what I will do after reaching max rank.
IIRC Zipper still has not given us any official word on what faction invitation process is all about.
I know I am in for about 60 hours of playtime before I will want something new, maps/modes/weapons etc.
Inanna said:
In case you didn't noticed, I haven't been taking things personally.
Because if I did, I would've quoted the 20 pages worth of bitching and whining you did in the previous beta thread, the few you posted here, and even the Online section has you complaining about S.V.E.R. map imbalance and how unfair it is to be Raven playing against S.V.E.R. when you hilariously claimed that you weren't bitching in the previous thread and even more hilarious when you're claiming you're not whining here when you were on both accounts.
But I don't have the time nor patience to bitch-slap people on forums anymore so I don't even bother responding to your nonsense most of the time.
Oh, and there are plenty of sniping spots for attackers on S.V.E.R. defend Sabo. Maybe YOU just don't know where and/or how to snipe. I know where good sniping positions are for attackers and I've been sniped plenty of times by GOOD snipers. I also know how to neutralize them, once I know their position, while others constantly get sniped by them.
It's amusing reading you complain over and over about S.V.E.R. having such amazing sniping positions while poor Raven and Valor are shit out of luck if they want to snipe back. I can't wait to beat the living shit out of Raven GAF once this game comes out. But you'll just cry about our maps and awesome snipe spots for S.V.E.R. as usual when that happens.
:lol
You're definitely butthurt, Click.
I was jokingly teasing GAFe guys in the online section and here, didn't think people would get THIS butthurt. Damn...
You really do have a selective reading problem, don't you? Most of my replies in this topic and the beta topic (even the online topic, it was actually that Valor dude) were replies to other people's complaints (most of the time, anyway). Yes, I still say that the Domination map is unfair, even YOU agreed that it was, now can we bloody move on?
Again, selective reading FTW! I meant sniping spots WHILE defending on Raven maps. :lol
I don't doubt that you would. GAFe guys are amazing players, and I'm sure they'd do great.
You're definitely butthurt, Click.
I was jokingly teasing GAFe guys in the online section and here, didn't think people would get THIS butthurt. Damn...
You really do have a selective reading problem, don't you? Most of my replies in this topic and the beta topic (even the online topic, it was actually that Valor dude) were replies to other people's complaints (most of the time, anyway). Yes, I still say that the Domination map is unfair, even YOU agreed that it was, now can we bloody move on?
Again, selective reading FTW! I meant sniping spots WHILE defending on Raven maps. :lol
I don't doubt that you would. GAFe guys are amazing players, and I'm sure they'd do great.
NullPointer
Member
I don't think you understand what the word "discussion" (as in 'Gaming Discussion') means. It doesn't mean bitch-slapping, and it doesn't mean that anybody who disagrees with you is bitching and moaning.Click said:
Same old Click, assuming only your criticism is valid, and that everything else is nonsense. I'm glad MAG has you to protected it from the teeming hordes.
Anerythristic
Member
You guys have been arguing about snipers for days :lol
If you are defending a good sniper or three is great. I don't see how they are any help when you are attacking. That is my only opinion on them, it's pretty simple.
If you are defending a good sniper or three is great. I don't see how they are any help when you are attacking. That is my only opinion on them, it's pretty simple.
Inanna said:
Butthurt? Nah, just annoyed with your constant blathering, then after the fact, claiming innocence and lying about what you posted. Sure, you were just "joking" and "teasing" people when you complain about map imbalance.
You obviously don't know the snipe spots on Raven maps either. Because there are plenty and oh yeah, it's extremely hard to see Raven because they wear all black on a map full of black and dark green shadows and foliage.
And lol @ you trying to say it'd be GAFe winning. Me and GAFA beat GAFe more often than you guys beat us in KZ2. I don't need GAFe to win. In fact, I was the first person to sign up for S.V.E.R. GAF when nobody else would and when Cagen asked GAFe if they'd be in S.V.E.R.
NullPointer said:
Discussion doesn't mean complaining, whining, and bitching about the same shit over and over. A few times, OK. Everyone does that. Valid criticisms are perfectly fine. In fact, I love valid criticisms. It's how developers can identify what they may need to fix in their games. But when certain people repeat the same complaints for 20+ pages, spanning 3 friggin' threads, it gets old and annoying.
Oh, and who are you again?
Just some hater of mine?
Yeah, doesn't matter to me either way.
My biggest gripe at the moment has to be the significantly small number of maps. Additionally if there is a particular game mode that I do not like playing, the number of maps has become even smaller.
Can someone with some level of certainty explain how the Training mode maps are used?
Can someone with some level of certainty explain how the Training mode maps are used?
templeusox
Banned
Kowak said:but anyways, the actual journalists who played zipper earlier in the day actually won according to deepbrown.
to be fair, i didnt see much sniping from them and maybe thats why they lost to the journalists, but then they were the bullet sponges known as Valor so it was impossible to kill them in direct combat.
That we did. Was a walk over first round and closer second round. They certainly were using sniper rifles...I know because they shot me down quite a lot - until I snuck behind them and took them out. Sniper's must learn to move positions
KZObsessed
Member
Click said:
err that's a lie. GAFe won more overall. Not that clan matches in KZ2 mean anything anyway due to all the lag.
We signed up for S.V.E.R. because we were S.V.E.R in that last Beta. I always liked the look of S.V.E.R. and me and Lince just both happened to chose them during that last Beta, so when other people downloaded it they joined S.V.E.R so we could play together. Dunno what that has to do with anything tho...
Violater said:
when i was trying to tell somebody to get their ass over to A instead of attacking B i got a message saying
i laughed before scorning them with a message of my own, didnt want to really hurl abuse over the chat.
i havent come across any rascist comments so far compared with killzone and resistence. I just hope the immature kids dont bother with this game because its not mod war.
edit: mod war 2 was terrible for comments, it ruined the experience and turned me off the online play.
KZObsessed
Member
Kowak said:
You know what's weird, the most racism and what not I've heard in a PSN game is in U2. Dunno if it's just due to more people having a PS3/headset now or what. But I was quite taken back by it initially. edit: oh, how did I forget MW2 :lol
There was a few weird people in the MAG Beta who seemed to be treating it as if it was a real war :lol But most the community who spoke seemed quite mature. Maybe a lot of the SOCOM crowd will come over to it.
theBishop said:
When they call me the N word I sometimes don't know what the best response is.
Do I
A) Commence team killing
B) Tell them how much their mom likes it that way
C) Laugh it off
D) Ask them if they are really that bumhurt about having a Black President
E) Mute them, (is there a mute option in MAG, if not it needs one)
F) Generally some combination of all of the above
20 pages? :lol
I wasn't complaining about it today though. Yeah, I did complain in the beta topic. Hell, everybody (who wasn't SVER) was complaining about it in that topic, and I contributed. NEVER started the conversation myself, even in the online topic someone else started the convo. But I don't see you mentioning them...oh no. TheFatOne was much more vocal/frustrated than I ever was but no mention of him anywhere. In fact, I was the one who told Vinci that SVER are NOT impossible to beat on Syr.
You're right...unlike SVER who wear sandy coloured clothes, that REALLY doesn't stand out AT ALL in their deserty environment. Black stands out like a bitch on the lightblue/gray/white-ish cemented floor.
I wasn't complaining about it today though. Yeah, I did complain in the beta topic. Hell, everybody (who wasn't SVER) was complaining about it in that topic, and I contributed. NEVER started the conversation myself, even in the online topic someone else started the convo. But I don't see you mentioning them...oh no. TheFatOne was much more vocal/frustrated than I ever was but no mention of him anywhere. In fact, I was the one who told Vinci that SVER are NOT impossible to beat on Syr.
You're right...unlike SVER who wear sandy coloured clothes, that REALLY doesn't stand out AT ALL in their deserty environment. Black stands out like a bitch on the lightblue/gray/white-ish cemented floor.
KZObsessed
Member
Well the game's are 128 players with only 8 man squads, so it's not like you'll run into the same guys all the time.
Having said that... *defects to Raven* :lol
Having said that... *defects to Raven* :lol
Lagspike_exe
Member
So little time until launch.
Can't wait to hear bitter Raven and Valor tears.
SVER SUPERIORITY
Can't wait to hear bitter Raven and Valor tears.
SVER SUPERIORITY
KZObsessed
Member
*defects back to S.V.E.R.*
S.V.E.R for lyfe!!1
S.V.E.R for lyfe!!1
There's still a lot of players (especially when they're with their clans) that are pricks. A couple clans have been team-killing SVER GAF in the IGN tourney for absolutely no reason.FFObsessed said:
Make no mistake, PSN isn't at the level of immaturity that XBL has just yet, but I have a feeling that's only due to the fact that the microphone is not free to the average consumer.
I'm not even sure who is worse, the people with headsets that will talk to random people in their own room or the immature pricks. Last night, we had to sit through a match with a guy talking on the phone with his buddy. Just hogging up the channel.
templeusox
Banned
I like to join squads which are clan heavy. I know that there will be some attempt at coordination during the game.
KZObsessed
Member
TheFallen said:
I've heard so many people use that as a criticism of PSN, but for me it's such a blessing.
I do the same thing. if I'm not playing with my clan at the time, I ALWAYS try and get into the squad that has the most clan members in it. Generally this will turn out much better than playing with a bunch of clan-less guys because they typically (not always) understand what team work is about and also will communicate with each other.templeusox said:
Anerythristic
Member
Violater said:
PSN did have a golden era. Any gamer that was on both networks after launch will be able to tell you this.
When the PS3 was $599 up until and beyond the first price drop it was really like the adult lounge. :lol
NullPointer
Member
I'll give you five bucks to join Valor. No questions asked. We'll also throw in some free steak knives.FFObsessed said:
Anyways, now that this game is about to hit, and we have some beta-veteran players here, what advice would you give for noobs that will soon slam into the floodgates of the MAG launch?
For my part, I'd advise:
- Make sure you have a mic, and that its ready to go.
- Listen to your squad leader and head for those Frago objectives.
- Play defensively. You die quick in this game, but if you use cover and move forward at a steady pace you'll reduce your frustration and move your attacking line up inch by inch. Check the level map and get your bearings before moving out. Level knowledge is whats going to keep you alive over time.
- When in doubt, don't strike out alone. Pick another squad mate and shadow him, not too close, but close enough to provide covering fire as needed.
- If you find yourself alone, in the front, against a defended objective, backtrack a bit and hold tight. Cover your squad getting back into position and when you're rallied together, try to take the objective en masse.
- Medic is a great skill tree to start with, so even if you aren't a rambo or eliter sniper, you'll aid your squad tremendously.
Any more you guys would like to offer up?