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MAG |OT| 256-Player Battles, Lots of Teamwork, Not So Much Auto-Aim
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I played a lot today. Picked valor. Couldn't win a single directive game versus another faction. Was able to win suppression mode 90% of the time.
I think the only team Valor can beat is Valor :lol
So what is it, are the maps imbalanced or is it popoulation? I'm not a bad player, but in MAG I'm fighting near endless waves of reinforcements and it's impossible to make much headway before I'm either waiting for a medic (sometimes in vain) or sitting in a 20 sec respawn and running back.
Nearly all games I played were putting us as offense (usually against SVER), which sucks, but we managed to lose on defense once too.
I think my problem is that the game asks for too much objective completion. My squads can capture and hold B, but it doesn't do any good if the other squads can't capture A. And then if by some miracle we score a window where we hold them both, it's off to C and what a demoralization it is when there's only 2 minutes left on the clock. And then there's that bullshit SVER map with like 4 AA guns/turrets.
Just curious, do you get bonus EXP for winning? I made it to level 15 today but I'm seriously considering choosing a different faction if I can make it back twice as fast.
I think the only team Valor can beat is Valor :lol
So what is it, are the maps imbalanced or is it popoulation? I'm not a bad player, but in MAG I'm fighting near endless waves of reinforcements and it's impossible to make much headway before I'm either waiting for a medic (sometimes in vain) or sitting in a 20 sec respawn and running back.
Nearly all games I played were putting us as offense (usually against SVER), which sucks, but we managed to lose on defense once too.
I think my problem is that the game asks for too much objective completion. My squads can capture and hold B, but it doesn't do any good if the other squads can't capture A. And then if by some miracle we score a window where we hold them both, it's off to C and what a demoralization it is when there's only 2 minutes left on the clock. And then there's that bullshit SVER map with like 4 AA guns/turrets.
Just curious, do you get bonus EXP for winning? I made it to level 15 today but I'm seriously considering choosing a different faction if I can make it back twice as fast.
Bearillusion
Banned
Tempted to pick this up but GAF hype can be a dangerous beast.
It's easier to win as defense. On my first day, it was all Raven attack X. I lost all matches except 1.
On my second day, it was all X attack Raven. I won all matches except 1. The one we lost, someone threw a chemical grenade into the DataComp level. I was looking for a fan to blow away the toxic gas, and died. :lol
Today, it's mixed. So I won some, lost some
On my second day, it was all X attack Raven. I won all matches except 1. The one we lost, someone threw a chemical grenade into the DataComp level. I was looking for a fan to blow away the toxic gas, and died. :lol
Today, it's mixed. So I won some, lost some
ZeroEchoOne
Member
to the big ravengaf group online late (1:30 est) sorry i missed the invite...was afk helping with baby...
to corran and bishop, had fun with the domination game last night! thanks for the invite
to corran and bishop, had fun with the domination game last night! thanks for the invite
otakuderek
Member
I have an issue with MAG and the trophies. I just went over a 3:1 K/D ratio and my Steamroller trophy didn't unlock. Also, the same thing happened with the Screeching Halt trophy. Anyone have any idea what's going on here?
Liberty4all
Banned
I had alot of fun with Raven Gaf tonight.
One thing though ... towards the end of the night it became painfully clear how unbalanced the SVER maps are ... as in most of them are impossible to win. This has caused a trend of "fuck it let's back out and find a 'fair' game versus Valor, or defending one of our own maps"
Basically I forsee a day when squads will simply refuse to play on SVER maps.
That day has already started
Raven Gaf is decently organized, plays as a team and works together ... but on Sver maps it's just too difficult to make headway, especially when compared to how easy Raven maps are to take in comparison.
I'm sure SVER has some squads that communicate well, work together, etc however the advantage is clearly one that is map based.
One thing though ... towards the end of the night it became painfully clear how unbalanced the SVER maps are ... as in most of them are impossible to win. This has caused a trend of "fuck it let's back out and find a 'fair' game versus Valor, or defending one of our own maps"
Basically I forsee a day when squads will simply refuse to play on SVER maps.
That day has already started
Raven Gaf is decently organized, plays as a team and works together ... but on Sver maps it's just too difficult to make headway, especially when compared to how easy Raven maps are to take in comparison.
I'm sure SVER has some squads that communicate well, work together, etc however the advantage is clearly one that is map based.
Liberty4all
Banned
patsu said:
All of them. The SVER maps are brutally hard to attack against, almost impossible to pull a victory out of. Hell in some matches on Domination the front lines don't even get broken.
Liberty4all
Banned
patsu said:
Yeah Sabotage is the only SVER map that is "kind of" balanced .... and it's still way harder to win on that map than Raven or Valor (in my opinion)
Domination and Aquisition though are almost impossible to win on if you have SVER players that know what they are doing.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Ugh I hate that...people reviving me instead of killing who killed me first :lolKyoufu said:
Anerythristic
Member
These SVER maps are :lol . People were really starting to get frustrated tonight.
Bamelin said:
Same thing can be said about all maps and factions though. I've been in some games where we'd get so outclassed, it's sad. SVER offense, Valor defense Acquisition for example is nearly impossible to win if the other team is really good. We (4 GAF) got stomped today and there was little we could do about it.
That's what I've been trying to say this whole time. Sure, SVER has some maps that are pretty tough to attack (due to the open space, shooting gallery type set-up), but so do other factions. At the end of the day though, it's really about each team's skill vs. one another.
SVER GAF has been in a few games where we completely take over a certain part of the map and lead our Company (128 players) to victory, while all 3 other parts of the map were still locked with less than 10 minutes left. Was that because Raven's Domination map was so uber, nobody can penetrate their defenses / map advantage, or was it because our Platoon was just so much better than the opposing team's, as well as our own team's? Without us in that game, I doubt we would've won. We must've held F and G for roughly 10 minutes straight.
Anerythristic
Member
Kyoufu said:
People saying things like "only SVER uses teamwork" and "SVER makes superior plans" should be ashamed of themselves.
I won't argue about it because I don't care. It's obvious what the issue is. Just admit it.
I like the game a whole lot play with some good people that want to quit unless they hear word from Zipper when the SVER fix is coming. Not if when. I still don't care, I won't quit, I worry about the player base though.
Chriswok said:
, we have to stop rationalizing it. The "Only SVER can/does" arguments just aren't fair to the other players and sort of sound ridiculous. Certain players instinctivly know to just pick SVER,while all the "kids" pick the other PMCs? I said I wasn't going to argue about it though, si I am officially done. I am not going anywhere and am only worried about the overall lifespan of the game.Mr. Luchador
Member
I'd think it was down to the fact that SVER has the least 'xbox' kids in the side, since they tend to go for the cool Marine good guys all the time. Who knows though, as I don't have the retail game yet!
TheMissingLink
Member
I swear, playing as Raven is an exercise in frustration. All you silly guys with your arguments of "THIS PMC actually uses teamwork!" is ridiculous. The maps are unbalanced, plain and simple.
NullPointer
Member
The fact that people don't see this is mindboggling.TheMissingLink said:
SVER sabotage map is bad, but their domination map? Holy fucking shit.
The best way to solve all of this imho, is to get rid of the concept of "home" maps. Just allow every faction to play on any map, on either attack or defense. Then the only balance issue would be the weapons themselves.
NullPointer said:
I think this is a good idea. It would be fun to play the different maps from different points of view.
That said, I think the defensive positions and the requirements to win them are just too steep most times for the offense players, especially for random groups of people. I could still see people just quitting out until they get a defense game.
I think MAG needs a counterstrike style end-game where either defense or offense can be victorious through some sort of sudden death objective. Right now defense wins by riding out for 20 minutes and so most matches are just brutal. Need more coup de grace opportunities.
Guide to Squad Leading commands and stuff:
http://community.eu.playstation.com...e-For-Newbies/m-p/9135520/message-uid/9135520
http://community.eu.playstation.com...e-For-Newbies/m-p/9135520/message-uid/9135520
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
You unlock it with your skillpoints in the barracks under explosivespatsu said:
templeusox
Banned
Awesome games tonight Raven. Especially the last one I played where we beat SVER in Domination. It didn't hurt that we had some random platoon leader or OIC who was so intense-sounding, I could have sworn he was reading his orders off a script.
NullPointer
Member
Give me some time.Kyoufu said:
I'll see what I can do ;P
Considering my stats it could be a long while though.
supermackem
Banned
Wow i love this game, the fact i have ME2 a game i love so much sitting in my xbox tray but i just want one more game of this shows how ace it is. Wish more people would talk, so far ive played three games this morning two were full of great chat about the game and helping the other was stone cold silent and simply wasnt as enjoyable.
Anerythristic
Member
Inanna said:
Mr. Luchador
Member
supermackem said:
Getting mine from Grainger now, who did you go with?
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
:lolAnerythristic said:
I was so proud we actually damaged sver in domination
It was one of the main complaints during, well, every beta phase. It got to the point where everyone wanted to play against Valor, and moan and quit matches whenever SVER maps came up in rotation. Trust me, it's not funny when you have only 3 people in your squad when you're attacking SVER. I thought they'd do something about it, like they did for SVER weapons after getting tons of complaints (SVER were originally going to have poo-ey weapons and hard to attack maps) but nope, still the same.Kyoufu said:
Valor has best of both worlds, I love the layout of their maps and their weapons are amazing.
:lol!!! Nah, Raven are noobs/all kids and CoD players. SVER are 3lit3 players!!Anerythristic said:
Nothing is tough for a well coordinated team. I remember we kicked SVER's ass plenty of times during beta. But I'm talking about randoms (majority of the player base).theBishop said:
Lagspike_exe
Member
Anerythristic said:
OMG :lol :lol