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MAG |OT| 256-Player Battles, Lots of Teamwork, Not So Much Auto-Aim
- Thread starter J-Rzez
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Vennt said:
I have noticed that same quitting trend on SVER in some games. I will join a game and 1 squad is completely gone. Zipper should implement something that holds off the start of the game if too many people leave and give an XP hit to those that leave early once the game has started.
Vinci said:
He doesn't say that he expects people to play, only that the problem will get worse as time goes on because they aren't playing.
uraldix said:
But what is being suggested is that they shouldn't abandon a mode because it allows the imbalance to increase, but that contradicts basic human nature, especially as clearly visible in any online game. People will always go where they achieve success more often, particularly if they feel alternative options are simply unfair to them from the go. That's why the PMCs are congregating around certain modes. They want to increase their chance to win, to level, and not fall far behind their enemies by fighting in modes they perceive to be stacked against them.
Having played the game for only a week. The whole SVER skill/map debate is really easy to figure out.
SVER players in general seem to own me harder than Valor players. I am just comparing matches where we are defending to make it fair. I have no idea what its like in a SVER squad, but a majority of the Raven squads I have been in have no leadership going on. Many times the squads don't even have a leader assigned. I find it rediculous to think that all the good players went to SVER, but maybe they somehow do communicate better.
The SVER maps do seem easier to defend in general though. I do not know whether a good leader could circumvent them, because I've never had the privilage of being in a group with one.
The domination map for Raven is definately rediculous to try and defend. Defending sabotage or aqcuisition maps is way more fun. If you lose attacking Raven in Dom, its not because those particular squads defending are amazing, its because your platoon is not very good. Sorry thats the truth. The real test of your skill is how fast you own us in that map
All of this is anecdotal evidence though, and just my opinion. SVER are generally a bit better, AND their maps seem a bit easier to defend. I can't wait till some badass squad leaders step forward though and can lead me to victory. I would be glad to welcome some expert SVER leaders into Raven.
I will say that playing with Raven Gaf is much better than playing with pugs though. My personal win/loss ratio goes way up with Raven Gaf.
SVER players in general seem to own me harder than Valor players. I am just comparing matches where we are defending to make it fair. I have no idea what its like in a SVER squad, but a majority of the Raven squads I have been in have no leadership going on. Many times the squads don't even have a leader assigned. I find it rediculous to think that all the good players went to SVER, but maybe they somehow do communicate better.
The SVER maps do seem easier to defend in general though. I do not know whether a good leader could circumvent them, because I've never had the privilage of being in a group with one.
The domination map for Raven is definately rediculous to try and defend. Defending sabotage or aqcuisition maps is way more fun. If you lose attacking Raven in Dom, its not because those particular squads defending are amazing, its because your platoon is not very good. Sorry thats the truth. The real test of your skill is how fast you own us in that map
All of this is anecdotal evidence though, and just my opinion. SVER are generally a bit better, AND their maps seem a bit easier to defend. I can't wait till some badass squad leaders step forward though and can lead me to victory. I would be glad to welcome some expert SVER leaders into Raven.
I will say that playing with Raven Gaf is much better than playing with pugs though. My personal win/loss ratio goes way up with Raven Gaf.
Vinci said:
I agree but the fact is that they will become worse in the other modes because they never play them. That is the point that was being made and it happens to be true. We all have a tendency to move to something new if we don't think we can win.
I am not blaming anyone, just pointing that what was said is true.
Anerythristic
Member
ummm,today... Raven seems to be dominating Acquistion, Valor... Sabotage and SVER Domination. What's up with that? :lol
Anerythristic
Member
Yeah bro'. I wont be going back till after my neurologists follow up on monday. :lolPuMa said:
Is there an unofficial guide anywhere for this game??? Its not impossible to figure out, but I got too many little questions to ask here (since this is now the Fuuuuuuuuuu Sver Fuuuuuuuuuuu Raven thread).
One question...the 'points' you can spend on 'stuff'...how are those awarded? by rank / by exp / by something else???
Oh, Sniper hunting is the balls...I dont even know what map it was, but some dude was sniping from the way outer limit, and I spent a good 5-7 minutes hunting him and his occasional red blip...it was so fun...I got him
One question...the 'points' you can spend on 'stuff'...how are those awarded? by rank / by exp / by something else???
Oh, Sniper hunting is the balls...I dont even know what map it was, but some dude was sniping from the way outer limit, and I spent a good 5-7 minutes hunting him and his occasional red blip...it was so fun...I got him
Mr. Luchador
Member
Anerythristic said:
Hope it all comes back well!
ZeroEchoOne
Member
J-Rzez said:
Like this?
:lol
Had my first full-on in-game crash last night. Was gonna keep playing around 1:30AM (Est), but just stopped instead.
Also, nobody in the group could hear eachother until the game started loading. In the menu/queue, it was total silence.
The "wtf, I can't get out of the APC" bug was still in full-effect.
From my perspective, the patch has made things worse.
And finally: Why can SVER defuse C4 on the gate from behind the gate (domination)? This (bug?) is reason enough to simply disconnect.
Also, nobody in the group could hear eachother until the game started loading. In the menu/queue, it was total silence.
The "wtf, I can't get out of the APC" bug was still in full-effect.
From my perspective, the patch has made things worse.
And finally: Why can SVER defuse C4 on the gate from behind the gate (domination)? This (bug?) is reason enough to simply disconnect.
ZeroEchoOne
Member
theBishop said:
Yeah, i believe I was in the same game as you bishop...was sitting behind cover healing myself and noticed my health wouldn't go back up...until i was kicked off MAG...and then PSN...had to reboot my PS3 to get back in.
ZeroEchoOne
Member
Violater said:
Wow...why hasn't it been logged as a bug? or has it been known and just not fixed?
andycapps said:Haha, well just join us on Raven next then. You guys will likely lap me anyway. I think I'm at a 17 or 18 now. Just don't have the time or energy after my other obligations to put into leveling like some of you seem to.
Sarcastic SVER Response said:
And yes, SVER folks, I am only kidding.
TrAcEr_x90
Member
Finally got to sit down and play last night. Im on Sver Gaf, but i didnt get a chance to play with you guys. It was pretty much and half and half with games one.
I played mostly with my buddy thats in another clan. if your in seperate clans can you not talk in the menu screen??? id press triangle and we were in the same group, but couldnt talk till we actually got in a game.
I played mostly with my buddy thats in another clan. if your in seperate clans can you not talk in the menu screen??? id press triangle and we were in the same group, but couldnt talk till we actually got in a game.
andycapps said:Haha, well just join us on Raven next then. You guys will likely lap me anyway. I think I'm at a 17 or 18 now. Just don't have the time or energy after my other obligations to put into leveling like some of you seem to.
You're only at 18 since launch? What's your average XP for a round? I've seen people get to level 15 in a day or two without playing too hard.
ZeroEchoOne
Member
theBishop said:
I'm only 22 since launch...and i average around 150-200 xp / round....that's probably not that good lol....
i only really have an hour or 2 a day to play, so i understand andycapp's situation.
surefire1982 said:
This ^. Depends on the round and if I'm playing with a ton of Gaffers.. If it's an almost full GAF squad I tend to get 300-500. If not, seem to get somewhere around 150 XP. Lot of that seems to be because pub squads don't revive nearly as much which makes me spend more time waiting to respawn and running back to the action.
TrAcEr_x90
Member
whats up with not being able to chat in the menu? do you have to be in the same clan or something?
BattleMonkey
Member
Anerythristic said:
It's been like that for like 4 days now. Also those modes each have the most of each player base from those factions. Players are migrating towards the modes which they tend the win the most at.
TrAcEr_x90
Member
theBishop said:
so everyone is having this problem?
phinious said:
Yes. It goes back down and starts at 3,000 XP for your first respec again.
Oh, AND you get to keep all the respec points you've earned prior to entering Veteran Mode.
Kinda like rollover minutes. :lol
I can probably respec like 20+ times now...
TrAcEr_x90 said:
If you (or anyone else) wants to play with the clan, look at the games of the people online are playing. Tally up which map most are playing and that's probably the game you want to join. This is the best way to play in the same game as us (you may not see us at all though), so you get out of the game when we do. After we get out, PSN message one of us with an "Invite please" or something like that... if we haven't already invited you to the party.
If you can't join the same game as us (full game or whatever), you can either wait or queue up for another game. But if you queue up, you may miss out on a party invite because we usually don't wait for people that are already playing a game.
The only thing that sucks is, if our party is full, which a lot of the time, it is in SVER GAF. If this happens, try to start another party if it looks like there's a good amount of SVER GAF on. Or, just play by yourself. Sorry, but this is how we gotta do it until Zipper allows for multi-squad parties to play with each other.
BTW, you can talk to one another once in a party. It just doesn't show who's talking, but it works. At first, I also thought you couldn't talk in a party prior to getting into a game.
Vennt said:
:lol I'm laughing so hard here...
The game icechai was describing, the opposing team actually gave us a run for our money when the game first started. They bum rushed us and did pretty well, I think blowing up a bunker or 2. But after we drove them back ONCE, they seemed to have all quit or something. They didn't quit before the game started, they quit right after we stopped their first assault on our bunkers.
Another example was a game we had yesterday (J-Rzez described it) where our entire platoon got pushed back to the center of our Domination map early in the game. They took the first 2 cooling towers and camped our AA. They were everywhere and it seemed like the GAF squad were the only people in our platoon doing much of anything at the time. Everything was going to hell. We could've easily quit and said "fuck this shit," "our platoon sucks and this Raven platoon is too good." The other squads in our platoon could have said and done the same thing, but they stayed too.
We kept coming back for more and the game became a fun-as-shit battle of tug of war between us and Raven. We'd push them back a bit, get a few bunkers back up, they'd destroy them again and again. But through it all, we held the last 2 cooling towers somehow and NEVER GAVE UP. We must've fixed our AA and bunkers at least 15 times that game. And everytime, they'd get blown up almost immediately after it got fixed.
Keep telling yourself it has nothing to do with skill, good communication, good teamwork, and the will to win. It's so obvious that the map imbalance is the only thing to blame here. Yeah, let's blame the maps and not shitty teams / players who quit either before the game starts or right after they failed on their first attempt.
Andronicus
Banned
i didn't even know this was out. what was the marketing budget $3.75 and some popeyes chicken?
uraldix said:
Yep. I agree completely.
I knew this was going to be a problem during beta, and especially during the IGN tournament, when entire point-boosting clans would quit out of any attack game. They only camped FRAGOs in defense games.
It happens with all factions, not just SVER or Raven.
PedroLumpy
Member
Click said:
Yeah just join the same match as those guys, slum it with the pugs (Or try and find the GAFers in the match, can be a fun diversion) until the match ends. I've done that pretty much every night this week, and I usually get into the group at the end of the match. But yeah tough luck if the group is already full. I usually just go pad the stats in Sabotage if I can't get into the group.
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I noticed that Valor was ahead in the Sabotage last night too. More population = more matches = more points. Kind of a goofy way to win the Shadow War, but what can ya do.
Click said:
I'm not excusing that sort of behavior, 'cause I'm not (I hate when people drop)... but with some maps (not necessarily just SVER's) the 'bum rush' at the front is pretty much your best chance of winning. Once the enemy is entrenched, it's pretty much over. And I can see where people might drop if they don't get it before letting the enemy hunker down in order to save time - rather than spending however long basically suiciding themselves (in their view).
Again: Not excusing it. I hated when people dropped. They mostly started doing it in the tourney, at least from what I experienced.
Andronicus said:
I watch TV, on average, about two hours a week. In that time, I have seen MAG commercials no less than four times. It's being advertised if that's what you mean by 'marketing.'
i was pretty amazing at squad leader in acq. completely destroyed them all by myself
edit; so annoying in the last dom match. the platton leader in our squad only clocked on about precision strikes with 5 minutes to go despite me telling him 4 or 5 time to use them on the bunker next to the one we had secured. pissed me off as hell.
springle,wes and bajan had a small hand
edit; so annoying in the last dom match. the platton leader in our squad only clocked on about precision strikes with 5 minutes to go despite me telling him 4 or 5 time to use them on the bunker next to the one we had secured. pissed me off as hell.
Vinci said:
What I hope players start to realize is, that when you're attacking a team in Acq. and Dom., the bum rush usually doesn't work well. The defending team spawns earlier than the attacking team. They have bunkers and turrets. They have the full arsenal of leadership abilities at the their disposal from the get-go. And in Dom., they have an OIC that also spawns before the attacking OIC. So if the defending OIC has any clue about what his job is, he will use the CNI jammer right at the start of the game. The odds are almost always stacked against the attacking team on any map.
However, if squads / platoons use good strategy and push up SLOWLY, but making sure not to stop at any position for too long, they can and will be able to destroy bunkers and eventually the AA. If they use the sweep / pinch tactic, then their odds of success are even higher. If they bum rush, then all they're doing is committing mass-suicide and giving the enemy defenders free kills.
Bum rushing only works for Sabotage. Sometimes, it doesn't work against a good team.
A great ad campaig for this would be to shoot a new commercial every week and do it like a news update with 'footage' on the "war".....tell who is winning...whats happening, show some neat footage from battles...
Oh to have only been able to use my marketing degree for good....
Oh to have only been able to use my marketing degree for good....