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[Noshino]

So, since everyone likes to complain about SVER, time to complain about Valor and Raven, who have far better camo.

And, once again, was getting one-shotted in APC's by Raven Panzerfausts.

I noticed Valor is getting a bit better overall.

Now when we pick our game modes it's: "Hey guys, want to play Valor (Domination) or Raven (Acq)".

are you serious? each PMC blends in well on their own map. To me at least, Raven have the worst came, they are very easy to spot, while SVER are easily the ones with the best came.

 

[I'm an expert]

So when are people going Veteran and switching to Valor?! There's never more than 3-4 people on when I play (sadly I'm on Japan time) but hopefully more players will mean more late night sessions that I can join!

 

[Noshino]

So when are people going Veteran and switching to Valor?! There's never more than 3-4 people on when I play (sadly I'm on Japan time) but hopefully more players will mean more late night sessions that I can join!

Well, in Raven GAF, as of last night, we only had one person that has gone Veteran, theBishop.....


which is a shame, as he was our freaking exp cow :lol

 

[I'm an expert]

Man I wish I knew how to get so much exp..I usually max around 650 on Dom but I switch my roles so much from sniper to repairer to infantry that it's no surprise. I do plan on going Raven when I hit 60 and then finally SVER after that so hopefully there are enough GAF players everywhere.

 

[icechai]

Man I wish I knew how to get so much exp..I usually max around 650 on Dom but I switch my roles so much from sniper to repairer to infantry that it's no surprise. I do plan on going Raven when I hit 60 and then finally SVER after that so hopefully there are enough GAF players everywhere.

follow frago, heal ppl, kill lots of people around frago, repair fragos, call in airstrikes while in frago...

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

follow frago, heal ppl, kill lots of people around frago, repair fragos, call in airstrikes while in frago...

airstrikes? thats only for squad leader right?


ill be on after LOST to kill some raven and valor fools!

 

[polyh3dron]

Ok RavenGAF, I expect you guys on at 10pm PST after LOST to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

 

[Noshino]

Ok RavenGAF, I expect you guys on at 10pm PST after LOST to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

Roger that, meet you on the battlefield

Spoiler

I have to go training early tomorrow, so I will only be able to play 2 or so matches :C

 

[Das-J]

Ok RavenGAF, I expect you guys on at 10pm PST after LOST to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

I'll be on... let's do this!

 

[icechai]

gg tonight SVER GAF, had some great moments like running along a corridor and knifing 5 ppl who are repairing a door ^_^ And being a complete miner the last few matches. How many anti-personnel mines does it take to kill someone? I think I only got 2 or 3 kills from that but i always would refresh 2 around our bunker.

 

[Corran Horn]

Ok RavenGAF, I expect you guys on at 10pm PST after LOST to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

Im in the process of reading like 300 pages for school tomorrow. Destroy Valor/Sver on my behalf!

 

[Liberty4all]

Sorry I've been missing in action for the past couple of days. I came home today expecting to get some MAG time in and what did I find?

My wife was playing Uncharted 1, about halfway through the game. I was flabbergasted, she doesn't play video games.

Suffice to say it she monopolized the PS3 for the entire night =(

 

[weekend_warrior]

I played my first Domination match attacking Raven and all I can say is holy-shit. I've played 6 or 7 dom games attacking Sver and have never been on a platoon that even managed to break through the front line. After 30 SECONDS playing Raven we were already over-taking a lettered objective. It took less then 5 minutes to capture every single point. :lol

I can't believe how lopsided these 2 maps are. It boggles the mind how the developers could think this is a level playing field. You literally spawn INSIDE Ravens camp on this map. I'm amazed any Raven member would play Domination again.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I played my first Domination match attacking Raven and all I can say is holy-shit. I've played 6 or 7 dom games attacking Sver and have never been on a platoon that even managed to break through the front line. After 30 SECONDS playing Raven we were already over-taking a lettered objective. It took less then 5 minutes to capture every single point. :lol

I can't believe how lopsided these 2 maps are. It boggles the mind how the developers could think this is a level playing field. You literally spawn INSIDE Ravens camp on this map. I'm amazed any Raven member would play Domination again.

It's a common complain that maps are not very well balanced, yes. I noticed it during beta days that no matter how well I played in certain maps, you just never see the light of victory and in some maps it's a piece of cake.

But then again, I HAVE seen victories if you're playing with people who give a crap.

 

[Corran Horn]

I can't believe how lopsided these 2 maps are. It boggles the mind how the developers could think this is a level playing field. You literally spawn INSIDE Ravens camp on this map. I'm amazed any Raven member would play Domination again.

Which is why you see such the lopsided numbers in domination compared to other maps.

 

[ZeroEchoOne]

Hey RavenGaf, sorry for bailing on you guys during that SVER dom game, but my router was acting up and I couldn't get back online. I finally managed to fix it, but seeing as it's now 2 am, i better get off to bed

 

[TelemachusD]

Good games tonight SVER GAF. Unfortunately we were a little shorthanded; I know the group system sucks, but please try to join us if you can.

The last domination was just me and Click, and some random moron sat in the APC the whole time and kept moving it away from the pumps whenever I got out.

 

[jorma]

I played my first Domination match attacking Raven and all I can say is holy-shit. I've played 6 or 7 dom games attacking Sver and have never been on a platoon that even managed to break through the front line. After 30 SECONDS playing Raven we were already over-taking a lettered objective. It took less then 5 minutes to capture every single point. :lol

I can't believe how lopsided these 2 maps are. It boggles the mind how the developers could think this is a level playing field. You literally spawn INSIDE Ravens camp on this map. I'm amazed any Raven member would play Domination again.

Imagine the sense of achievement when we do manage to win a defensive game though.

 

[jorma]

Well, in Raven GAF, as of last night, we only had one person that has gone Veteran, theBishop.....


which is a shame, as he was our freaking exp cow :lol

I was playing with him and a bunch of randoms the other day and was a bit confused as I beat him on XP two games in a row. But i got my explanation for that when i realised he'd just gone veteran and was only level 3 or something.

Still, it does free up a potential MVP slot, so it's not like it's all bad. Enjoy it while it lasts =)

 

[roxya]

Man, more and more squadleaders and just frago'ing whatever it is that THEY are doing, or at least it seems that way.

We were attacking SVER's point A on Sabotage. We were getting it and holding it for long periods, but the people on B weren't doing much. So our squad leader says "I'm going off to help B". Before you know it, our FRAGO is now at B! :lol

 

[NHale]

Man, more and more squadleaders and just frago'ing whatever it is that THEY are doing, or at least it seems that way.

Yes I have noticed it too.

Even yesterday in Domination we were defending the Cooling tower against Valor. When Valor secured a nearby Cooling tower, my squad leader decided to frago that nearby Cooling tower and I was left alone defending "our" cooling tower. Result: We lost both cooling towers and bunkers in 1 minute.

Still it was less stupid, than a squad leader that instead of frago the letters/repairing gates, decided time and time again to frago repairing bunkers inside enemy lines...

 

[TelemachusD]

We were attacking SVER's point A on Sabotage. We were getting it and holding it for long periods, but the people on B weren't doing much. So our squad leader says "I'm going off to help B". Before you know it, our FRAGO is now at B! :lol

If your squad leader does that, you'll get Frago points at A and B. Some things, like the burnoff towers and pumps in domination, or the escort vehicle in acquisition, are auto-Frago'd, and they stay that way, even if the Frago is set somewhere else.

 

[fixuis]

Just defended successfully against sver back to back in domination

Edit: back to back wins against Sver.

 

[ibu]

Just defended successfully against sver back to back in domination

Edit: back to back wins against Sver.

Not when I come on it wont be.... never lose back to back with SVER, I demand the best and only the best from my squad.

SVER when it bleeds, it bleeds passion!

I will be on within the hour.

 

[Liberty4all]

Yes I have noticed it too.

Even yesterday in Domination we were defending the Cooling tower against Valor. When Valor secured a nearby Cooling tower, my squad leader decided to frago that nearby Cooling tower and I was left alone defending "our" cooling tower. Result: We lost both cooling towers and bunkers in 1 minute.

Still it was less stupid, than a squad leader that instead of frago the letters/repairing gates, decided time and time again to frago repairing bunkers inside enemy lines...

I regularly frago to repair bunkers behind enemy front lines instead of the letters, especially when defending on Raven's domination map. Less xp for the squad, but potentially a game winning move. The reason you see the bunkers fraggo'ed is that without a bunker close to the AA gun/mortar guns it's a forgone conclusion that SVER or Valor will win the map.

With that said, it's very common in pub squads for people to get pissed off that the fraggo isn't on a letter where the l33t xp is.

Really the frago is the only card a squad leader has to "reward/punish" a squad that follows or does not follow orders. When I'm a squad leader and get a pub squad that refuses to follow orders, I make it a point to ensure the only person who gets fraggo bonus xp is me.

It's simple really ... go to where the fraggo is and be rewarded. Ignore the fraggo'd objective then don't expect any sympathy.

I agree though that squad leaders without mic's, or squad leaders that never move the fraggo all game, they are pretty much useless.

 

[jorma]

I regularly frago to repair bunkers behind enemy front lines instead of the letters, especially when defending on Raven's domination map. Less xp for the squad, but potentially a game winning move. The reason you see the bunkers fraggo'ed is that without a bunker close to the AA gun/mortar guns it's a forgone conclusion that SVER or Valor will win the map.

With that said, it's very common in pub squads for people to get pissed off that the fraggo isn't on a letter where the l33t xp is.

Really the frago is the only card a squad leader has to "reward/punish" a squad that follows or does not follow orders. When I'm a squad leader and get a pub squad that refuses to follow orders, I make it a point to ensure the only person who gets fraggo bonus xp is me.

It's simple really ... go to where the fraggo is and be rewarded. Ignore the fraggo'd objective then don't expect any sympathy.

I agree though that squad leaders without mic's, or squad leaders that never move the fraggo all game, they are pretty much useless.

I dont understand, even though you set the frago on something else, you still get xp for your assigned letter don't you? If that was not the case, how could you still get frago points for both letters on Sabotage like TelemachusD says?

 

[andycapps]

I regularly frago to repair bunkers behind enemy front lines instead of the letters, especially when defending on Raven's domination map. Less xp for the squad, but potentially a game winning move. The reason you see the bunkers fraggo'ed is that without a bunker close to the AA gun/mortar guns it's a forgone conclusion that SVER or Valor will win the map.

With that said, it's very common in pub squads for people to get pissed off that the fraggo isn't on a letter where the l33t xp is.

Really the frago is the only card a squad leader has to "reward/punish" a squad that follows or does not follow orders. When I'm a squad leader and get a pub squad that refuses to follow orders, I make it a point to ensure the only person who gets fraggo bonus xp is me.

It's simple really ... go to where the fraggo is and be rewarded. Ignore the fraggo'd objective then don't expect any sympathy.

I agree though that squad leaders without mic's, or squad leaders that never move the fraggo all game, they are pretty much useless.

Agreed, I think that when matchmaking, it should detect whether potential squad leaders have a mic hooked up and if not, that person should be notified that they won't be chosen as squad leader until they get a mic. I'm assuming that this is possible?

Also, I'd like to see votekicking made easier. There were 4 RavenGAF in a squad last night and we had a non Gaffer as squad leader. He set maybe 2-3 fraggos the entire game, I kept trying to votekick him but we'd only get to 4 votes, and the whole time he'd be screaming why are you trying to kick me? Set some freaking fraggos and you're not going to get kicked. If the command interface is being jammed, then let us know and obviously you're not going to get kicked. But yeah, the process for knowing a kick is going on and getting to it is probably too complex for people that aren't actively looking to kick the user.

 

[commish]

I regularly frago to repair bunkers behind enemy front lines instead of the letters, especially when defending on Raven's domination map. Less xp for the squad, but potentially a game winning move. The reason you see the bunkers fraggo'ed is that without a bunker close to the AA gun/mortar guns it's a forgone conclusion that SVER or Valor will win the map.

With that said, it's very common in pub squads for people to get pissed off that the fraggo isn't on a letter where the l33t xp is.

Really the frago is the only card a squad leader has to "reward/punish" a squad that follows or does not follow orders. When I'm a squad leader and get a pub squad that refuses to follow orders, I make it a point to ensure the only person who gets fraggo bonus xp is me.

It's simple really ... go to where the fraggo is and be rewarded. Ignore the fraggo'd objective then don't expect any sympathy.

I agree though that squad leaders without mic's, or squad leaders that never move the fraggo all game, they are pretty much useless.

I ignore orders all the time, simply because they aren't always the right course of action. Like on some attacking sver maps, the burn off tower will be frago'd when blowing the nearby bunker first is 100% easier and more effective.

I still don't understand why raven/valor will throw themselves at a burnoff tower for 30 minutes without a change in tactic instead of just taking out our bunker instead. I once had a 1500 point round, simply by sitting on the first burnoff tower for 30 minutes.

And thanks for admitting that you do frago just what you're doing.. I knew I wasn't going crazy

 

[commish]

Agreed, I think that when matchmaking, it should detect whether potential squad leaders have a mic hooked up and if not, that person should be notified that they won't be chosen as squad leader until they get a mic. I'm assuming that this is possible?

Also, I'd like to see votekicking made easier. There were 4 RavenGAF in a squad last night and we had a non Gaffer as squad leader. He set maybe 2-3 fraggos the entire game, I kept trying to votekick him but we'd only get to 4 votes, and the whole time he'd be screaming why are you trying to kick me? Set some freaking fraggos and you're not going to get kicked. If the command interface is being jammed, then let us know and obviously you're not going to get kicked. But yeah, the process for knowing a kick is going on and getting to it is probably too complex for people that aren't actively looking to kick the user.

95% of the time, I never even notice a kick is in progress. The only time I did was when it happened before we first spawned.

 

[TelemachusD]

I regularly frago to repair bunkers behind enemy front lines instead of the letters, especially when defending on Raven's domination map. Less xp for the squad, but potentially a game winning move. The reason you see the bunkers fraggo'ed is that without a bunker close to the AA gun/mortar guns it's a forgone conclusion that SVER or Valor will win the map.

I'm not in Raven so I couldn't say for certain, but this seems like a terrible move strategically. Once the letters are open, you don't want people spawning out at the bunkers trying to repair AA, that splits up your team and makes the pumps much easier for attackers to take/hold, and any APC's can spawn attackers right outside the pumps regardless of your AA and bunkers. Guys from other platoons can also come around and more easily take your lightly defended letters.

If a few guys can get the AA up that's great; you'll hold off two squads and the enemy's airstrikes for a while, but the AA is going to go down again soon. Also if you don't get the AA up really soon after a bunker goes up, a platoon leader is calling in a precision strike (As a PL I'm always looking for repaired bunkers late in the game, otherwise that bunker buster goes to waste).

 

[andycapps]

95% of the time, I never even notice a kick is in progress. The only time I did was when it happened before we first spawned.

Ditto that I never know when a vote is in progress. Like I said, I usually only find out one is in progress is if I go in to votekick someone and I notice that they already have a 1/5 or 2/5 next to their name.

 

[Gen X]

Finally got my Streaker Medal tonite, 25 kills and no losses by the end of the map. This was all after deciding to respec my char and go for the lmg. There was a bit where 4 guys were all standing behind each other trying to take me down and I just had to shoot straight ahead. They all fell like dominoes and this didn't happen just once either. :lol

 

[sk3tch]

Ditto that I never know when a vote is in progress. Like I said, I usually only find out one is in progress is if I go in to votekick someone and I notice that they already have a 1/5 or 2/5 next to their name.

How do you even vote to kick? Is it from the start menu while in-game?

 

[thaOwner]

Good games today Weak_spot. Just two more levels and then I will be switching over to Valor and then we will be enemies.

How do you even vote to kick? Is it from the start menu while in-game?

You press start, select person, select kick from squad.

 

[Billen]

I have to say, playing against americans as a european is hardly ideal. Feels like I am back in the old modem days.

 

[ibu]

I have to say, playing against americans as a european is hardly ideal. Feels like I am back in the old modem days.

I agree... Domination is LAG central. I was having an awful game on that last night.
Then I decided to use the latency to my advantage and camped with a sniper and used that to wrack up kills.

 

[andycapps]

I have to say, playing against americans as a european is hardly ideal. Feels like I am back in the old modem days.

Agreed, from our side too.. Can't tell you how many times I've gotten knifed from 10 feet away.. And several times where I've gotten killed as I've run behind a building and am 5-10 feet around the corner.

 

[Liberty4all]

I'm not in Raven so I couldn't say for certain, but this seems like a terrible move strategically. Once the letters are open, you don't want people spawning out at the bunkers trying to repair AA, that splits up your team and makes the pumps much easier for attackers to take/hold, and any APC's can spawn attackers right outside the pumps regardless of your AA and bunkers. Guys from other platoons can also come around and more easily take your lightly defended letters.

If a few guys can get the AA up that's great; you'll hold off two squads and the enemy's airstrikes for a while, but the AA is going to go down again soon. Also if you don't get the AA up really soon after a bunker goes up, a platoon leader is calling in a precision strike (As a PL I'm always looking for repaired bunkers late in the game, otherwise that bunker buster goes to waste).

Just my opinion but on Raven's Domination map the AA is the most important objective in the game -- it's literally the difference between victory or defeat. Even WITH the AA up Raven still usually loses ... but when it's down all game, defeat is a foregone conclusion. Raven letters are close enough together that you can get coverage from other squads spawning from the middle. The AA gun on the other hand is almost impossible to keep up without a dedicated squad holding that point. Additionally the AA is not close enough to the centre spawns to be holdable without a bunker up.

 

[Liberty4all]

I ignore orders all the time, simply because they aren't always the right course of action. Like on some attacking sver maps, the burn off tower will be frago'd when blowing the nearby bunker first is 100% easier and more effective.

I still don't understand why raven/valor will throw themselves at a burnoff tower for 30 minutes without a change in tactic instead of just taking out our bunker instead. I once had a 1500 point round, simply by sitting on the first burnoff tower for 30 minutes.

And thanks for admitting that you do frago just what you're doing.. I knew I wasn't going crazy

Dont' get me wrong, if I see somebody fixing a gate or something I will try to throw a fraggo down so they can get some points.

In general though I talk over my mic tell people what I'm fraggoing and why, and try to get squad agreement. If nobody is talking then I fraggo what I think should be the objective. If people ignore the frago and refuse to communicate over mic, tough shit, no bonus xp for them.

Often when setting fraggo's I am doing so at the request of Platoon Lead or OIC.

 

[Liberty4all]

I dont understand, even though you set the frago on something else, you still get xp for your assigned letter don't you? If that was not the case, how could you still get frago points for both letters on Sabotage like TelemachusD says?

I tested that out ... it appears to only work that way on Sabotage. From what I've seen (and maybe I'm wrong) on domination and Acquisition you only get xp on the fraggo.

Can anyone else verify this?

 

[theBishop]

Just my opinion but on Raven's Domination map the AA is the most important objective in the game -- it's literally the difference between victory or defeat. Even WITH the AA up Raven still usually loses ... but when it's down all game, defeat is a foregone conclusion. Raven letters are close enough together that you can get coverage from other squads spawning from the middle. The AA gun on the other hand is almost impossible to keep up without a dedicated squad holding that point. Additionally the AA is not close enough to the centre spawns to be holdable without a bunker up.

Absolutely.

Defending is an absolute nightmare when the AA goes down. The unending wave of demons storming your base would be bad enough, and then the demons' platoon leader begins strafing runs on your spawn point.

I'm not saying everyone needs to go for the AA. But one squad must be dedicated to it.

 

[NHale]

Just my opinion but on Raven's Domination map the AA is the most important objective in the game -- it's literally the difference between victory or defeat. Even WITH the AA up Raven still usually loses ... but when it's down all game, defeat is a foregone conclusion. Raven letters are close enough together that you can get coverage from other squads spawning from the middle. The AA gun on the other hand is almost impossible to keep up without a dedicated squad holding that point. Additionally the AA is not close enough to the centre spawns to be holdable without a bunker up.

But what is the point of trying to FRAGO a bunker exactly where the paratroopers are dropping? It's not like a squad will hold it against a bunch of attackers dropping every 20 seconds.

And I couldn't disagree more when you say if someone doesn't follow your rules, "no FRAGO bonus for you". I don't even care about the bonus XP, I care about winning and I'm sorry but I don't think running for 30 seconds and be killed as soon as I arrive the bunker while "our" letters are being secured by the attackers, is the best tactic to win. Maybe in Raven's map it is, but in SVER map it's not.

 

[Vennt]

But what is the point of trying to FRAGO a bunker exactly where the paratroopers are dropping? It's not like a squad will hold it against a bunch of attackers dropping every 20 seconds.

It's not about the bunker, it's about the AA, if you hold the bunker you can hold the AA, if you don't hold the bunker the AA is a lost cause because on the Raven map you have no hope of getting a squad there from the base spawn, and with the AA up they cannot parachute in.

Maybe in Raven's map it is, but in SVER map it's not.

That's exactly his point, on SVER's map the vents are seperated by enough distance to make defending them more important on a platoon level, and the AA is reachable by multiple SVER parties even if the bunkers are lost, the same is not true of Ravens map, the vents are close enough to each other to make little difference if one squad makes for the bunker/AA, but the AA is so hard to reach from the base spawn that unless you hold the bunker nearby, the AA is toast and not coming back up and the game is lost.

 

[Kowak]

wow raven just got completely raped, it got so bad couldnt even leave the respawn part of the ship without getting killed.

i couldnt even bring myself to playing another game.

 

[Liberty4all]

But what is the point of trying to FRAGO a bunker exactly where the paratroopers are dropping? It's not like a squad will hold it against a bunch of attackers dropping every 20 seconds.

The time the enemy has to spend trying to take back a bunker is time NOT spent moving forward to letter objectives. Additionally this gives a respawn point for taking back (or holding onto) the AA guns (which are almost impossible to hold or get to from the base spawn on Raven's map)

I'm sorry but I don't think running for 30 seconds and be killed as soon as I arrive the bunker while "our" letters are being secured by the attackers, is the best tactic to win. Maybe in Raven's map it is, but in SVER map it's not.

You don't have to run for 30 seconds. As soon as an engineer gets the bunker back up have the entire squad spawn at this objective. When playing with micless randoms a fraggo'ed bunker does inevitably end up getting repaired by somebody who wants the xp bonus. If the letter point is fraggo'ed nobody is going to leave because the xp is better there.

I can't speak for SVER but on Raven's map it IS better to have one or two squads take back the bunkers and try to hold onto the AA gun. In general Raven cannot win without a dedicated squad holding the AA guns.

And I couldn't disagree more when you say if someone doesn't follow your rules, "no FRAGO bonus for you".

When I'm squad leader I expect my squad to follow my orders. If people don't want to follow, then don't expect any frago bonus. This is very obviously a built in game mechanic to encourage people to follow the command chain and it's one I take full advantage of.

I'm not a tyrant mind you, if I'm working with a clan squad or pubbies actually communicating via mic then in general we all decide what to fraggo. But in pub games with micless randoms I fraggo what needs to be fraggo'ed and ignore whiners complaining they aren't getting optimal xp at the cost of losing the match.

 

[jorma]

I agree... Domination is LAG central. I was having an awful game on that last night.
Then I decided to use the latency to my advantage and camped with a sniper and used that to wrack up kills.

How exactly do you go about using it to your advantage? I feel like i'm always drawing the short end of the stick when lags ensue

Bamelin: Ah okok.

 

[Billen]

I agree... Domination is LAG central. I was having an awful game on that last night.
Then I decided to use the latency to my advantage and camped with a sniper and used that to wrack up kills.

Happens in Aquisition aswell, but of course it is more visible the bigger the game is. Riding in a vehicle with someone on the other side of the planet is less than optimal. I have standard issue Swedish broadband, ie really good quality, but still that doesn't help when connecting to Disney Headquarters

 

[ZeroEchoOne]

From the MAG forums:

As a Squad Leader, how do I chat with other Squad Leaders and Platoon Leaders?

While in a game, hold "up" on the d-pad and press "R2" or "L2" to shift between channels.

Am I the only one that didn't know this?! I was always looking for a way to talk to other leaders...

 

[ibu]

How exactly do you go about using it to your advantage? I feel like i'm always drawing the short end of the stick when lags ensue

Bamelin: Ah okok.

Anticipation and shoot in front of where you (Guess)estimate where you think they are going.

Bearing in mind it can't be done whilst you are moving. You have to be stationary.

 

[sk3tch]

I couldn't believe this...a MAG ad on Perez Hilton! I guess you can't blame Sony for lack of trying... :lol

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