Gatekeeper
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I have 0 desire to play modern at this point, as the expense to get in to it is beyond my reach. I don't have the funding to invest into goyfs and bobs and everything else.
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I have 0 desire to play modern at this point, as the expense to get in to it is beyond my reach. I don't have the funding to invest into goyfs and bobs and everything else.
Keru_Shiri
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Though they can't hit players, Mortars and Electrickery seem better than Shock no? Or at least their ceiling is higher (i.e. when they are good they are MUCH better). I'm concerned about Pillar of Flame leaving though. That's like the only card in the format that helps keep Voice of Resurgence in check
There will be instances where Mortars and Electrickery are better, but part of what makes RDW so strong, imo, is the fact that it's kill spells can double as reach, which help give the deck a much more consistent game 1, and help free up sideboard space.
Plus, when you factor in Planeswalkers, Hexproof, Regeneration/Indestructible, Undying, ETB effects, or how quickly cards like Lingering Souls and Intangible Virtue can outpace the quality of your burn spells, having the option to target the opponent is simply indispensable.
JetBlackPanda
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Hey guys quick question I am at my local target and they have little hard plastic cases and what looks like random magic cards in clear wrapping inside them for 30 bucks. What are these? Are they random? Or what? It looks super random to me.
Any help would be great.
Any help would be great.
They're precons that have been repackaged to sell together at a discounted rate. Some are missing the foils that came with the actual packages though, like the Venser vs Koth duel decks not having the planeswalkers, for example.
Not so much anymore, but you used to be able to find rare/out of print decks there.
JetBlackPanda
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Thanks for the quick response man.
They can be anything from precons, to Planechase/Archenemy decks, to Commander Decks, to the Basic Land packs found in Fat Packs.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Imagine buying one of those and your friend opens a commander deck and you get a pile o' basics.
CorruptShadow
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This is going to be so broken in EDH.
divisionbyzorro
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Kinda cool I suppose.
Plus it's a 1/3 for 4 CMC. It's not even a rare quality creature. What a waste.
To be fair, coresets have given us the Titans, Thragtusk, Thundermaw Hellkite, Baneslayer Angel, Doom Blade, Preordain, Garruk 3.0, etc.
That being said, I have NO idea what's going on with this coreset. I feel like they are just throwing darts at a board when making these cards. I'm just hoping cards like Door to Destines and Mutavault are for more than just the Sliver deck and maybe hinting at a tribal theme in Theros ala Innistrad (but with Minotaurs and Giants and stuff rather than werewolves). I'm also getting vibes of an enchantment theme too which I hoping/assume is a hint towards Theros as well.
divisionbyzorro
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M13 was a blast to draft. Obviously you have to see the entire set to get a feel for its limited viability, but at the moment I'm just not seeing it in M14 other than "draft slivers."
After coming off amazing sets like Return to Ravnica and Gatecrash, Dragon's Maze and M14 come off as horrible shit. This is so depressing.
Gatecrash was pretty awful too.
"God's Beard!"
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So I have Malignus, can he be blocked or is this like super trample?
So this would be awesome with cipher. Another card for my Undercity Plague deck.
Aren't core sets supposed to be for new players to learn through drafting? Super specific combos like these are the worst draft cards ever.
This is going to be so broken in EDH.
So this would be awesome with cipher. Another card for my Undercity Plague deck.
Kinda cool I suppose.
Aren't core sets supposed to be for new players to learn through drafting? Super specific combos like these are the worst draft cards ever.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67623941]So I have Malignus, can he be blocked or is this like super trample?
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He fights like any other creature and can be normally blocked. No trample or anything like that. The "damage can't be prevented" part will stop stuff like Fog, Safe Passage or Protection From Red from stopping his damage.
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He fights like any other creature and can be normally blocked. No trample or anything like that. The "damage can't be prevented" part will stop stuff like Fog, Safe Passage or Protection From Red from stopping his damage.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67623941]So I have Malignus, can he be blocked or is this like super trample?[/QUOTE]
He can be blocked, you just can't prevent the damage he deals, so for instance if a protection from red guy blocks him, he still gets smashed. Fog effects don't work either.
He can be blocked, you just can't prevent the damage he deals, so for instance if a protection from red guy blocks him, he still gets smashed. Fog effects don't work either.
"God's Beard!"
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Oh wow, beating protection is awesome. What about indestructible?
If I give him double strike do I win the game?
If I give him double strike do I win the game?
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67625196]Oh wow, beating protection is awesome. What about indestructible?
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Won't beat indestructible since indestructible means damage can't kill the thing.
Sadly no. His P/T will instantly adjust after the first strike damage so you'll get them down to 3/4 of their former life total. (Unless you're playing multiplayer and someone else is at a higher life total.)
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Won't beat indestructible since indestructible means damage can't kill the thing.
Sadly no. His P/T will instantly adjust after the first strike damage so you'll get them down to 3/4 of their former life total. (Unless you're playing multiplayer and someone else is at a higher life total.)
Gatecrash was terrible. DGM was good. This is back to bleh.
"God's Beard!"
Member
What happens if I block/attack with a creature then exile it with Nephalia Smuggler? Does the damage it does remain or does it just leave combat entirely?
Ok, thanks.
Ok, thanks.
The Technomancer
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67628036]What happens if I block/attack with a creature then exile it with Nephalia Smuggler? Does the damage it does remain or does it just leave combat entirely?
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Damage doesn't stick around.
It used to, or rather, you used to be able to exile it between damage being assigned and damage being dealt, but they changed it a few years back. Now as soon as the damage is assigned it happens, no chance to do anything like activate any effects, so if you're going to exile it it has to be exiled before damage is even assigned if you don't want it to take any damage itself.
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Damage doesn't stick around.
It used to, or rather, you used to be able to exile it between damage being assigned and damage being dealt, but they changed it a few years back. Now as soon as the damage is assigned it happens, no chance to do anything like activate any effects, so if you're going to exile it it has to be exiled before damage is even assigned if you don't want it to take any damage itself.
"God's Beard!"
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So it still counts as having blocked a creature, just no damage went to either one?
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67629036]So it still counts as having blocked a creature, just no damage went to either one?[/QUOTE]
Yup. Assuming the blocked creature doesn't have trample, it won't deal any damage to you or the 'flickered' creature; it was still blocked, but now finds itself unable to hit the creature blocking it.
This doesn't work on tramplers, since the trampler will just think "oh, I've dealt lethal damage to everything blocking me (nothing); I'll just go and deal the rest to the defending player".
If you flicker an attacking creature, it returns to the battlefield as a new object (i.e. no longer attacking). Anything blocking it will suddenly find itself not fighting anything, and no damage will be dealt.
The same applies for anything else that causes a creature to leave the battlefield; for example, you can block an attacking creature, then sacrifice the blocker before damage is dealt; you won't take any damage, and the sacrifice effect will presumably be more useful than letting the creature die in combat. For example, you can block with Sakura-Tribe Elder, then sacrifice it to search for a land and avoid taking damage.
Yup. Assuming the blocked creature doesn't have trample, it won't deal any damage to you or the 'flickered' creature; it was still blocked, but now finds itself unable to hit the creature blocking it.
This doesn't work on tramplers, since the trampler will just think "oh, I've dealt lethal damage to everything blocking me (nothing); I'll just go and deal the rest to the defending player".
If you flicker an attacking creature, it returns to the battlefield as a new object (i.e. no longer attacking). Anything blocking it will suddenly find itself not fighting anything, and no damage will be dealt.
The same applies for anything else that causes a creature to leave the battlefield; for example, you can block an attacking creature, then sacrifice the blocker before damage is dealt; you won't take any damage, and the sacrifice effect will presumably be more useful than letting the creature die in combat. For example, you can block with Sakura-Tribe Elder, then sacrifice it to search for a land and avoid taking damage.
It's not good.So much for trying to pull back on Hexproof. Come on.
StylesTrip
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Officially excited for a card now.
So much for trying to pull back on Hexproof. Come on.
DAT ART
HA!
But this card. Why not just give it flash and reach and obsolete Skylasher already.
Seems to be combating control and/or flash.
Not really that strange IMO.
I guess it locks things down even better with Voice.
Keru_Shiri
Member
So much for trying to pull back on Hexproof. Come on.
Solid, but not broken. Blue or Black would have trouble dealing with this card, but it is not insurmountable for them, and isn't nearly as oppressive to the board state as Thragtusk is.
I like it.
For a core set the ability seems kind of specific and complex for a newer player to see and understand. It requires paying attention to everything opponent's cast on your turn and knowing its color. Which is a fine skill to teach certainly, but seems a little more complex than they usually go.
And just as a card it doesn't even seem that great at its job except for carrying auras. It will still get constantly jumped by Restoration Angels until rotation unless it has some pants on. And you can still just dig at the end of their turn with Sphinx's or Azorius Charm for a wrath that this thing does nothing against.
As a control fighter Voice is just vastly superior to it.
Not saying it's better than Voice. But they do play nicely together.
And as for it being bounced on by Resto Angels, well, that's every card with 3 or less toughness. It's another tool good at fighting control, regardless.
So much for trying to pull back on Hexproof. Come on.
I can't even
Why.
For the love of god Wizards, just put Hexproof on creatures that cost 6+ mana. Or at least properly cost the ability in relation to its power level (like Double Strike)
"God's Beard!"
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It seems like there's a few weird cards like that in the Core Set. Really don't understand the intentions here.
So much for trying to pull back on Hexproof. Come on.
Unless you want them to A) get rid of Hexproof (i.e. not happening) or B) only put the ability on 7 mana 2/2s (but then who would want the card?) I'm not sure how this is not holding back? The card is even worse than Troll Astetic.
Your tears, let me drink them
Nah in all seriousness I don't think you have much to worry about. It has no evasion, only hits for three and doesn't even do that good a job of hosing Blue & Black. I don't think this is a card you have to worry about
divisionbyzorro
Member
This card is totally fine and not even all that good.
As I've said before, hexproof belongs on green creatures. If that color can't easily interact with opposing creatures, there's nothing wrong with giving it creatures that the other colors can't easily interact with either.
As I've said before, hexproof belongs on green creatures. If that color can't easily interact with opposing creatures, there's nothing wrong with giving it creatures that the other colors can't easily interact with either.
Good call, seems likely.
I like it as the natural evolutionary foil to blue, its enemy.
Wow, I just noticed they changed Online's player rewards from logins to buying stuff in the store or participating in drafts.
No wonder I haven't gotten any promos in a while since all I do is play Planeswalker on the service. Nice. :/
No wonder I haven't gotten any promos in a while since all I do is play Planeswalker on the service. Nice. :/
Does anyone else watch streams on Twitch? I've been watching a ton of Paul Cheon's stream lately, because of the schedule (starting anywhere from 8pm, going as late as 3am), to the guests he has on (LSV drops in via Skype all the time to try and ruin his drafts), and a high skill level of play. Also, no crappy music like 99% of streams!
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