They're not, though. Kibler just echoed what most people are thinking. (They feel uncommon.)
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It's very likely.
I don't want to touch these lands until they settle low. They're not going to see play outside of EDH and Standard.
$5 tops.
$3-5 is where the scars manlands hit at their lowest, so yeah, sounds right.
divisionbyzorro
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The lands are fine, but there's no way in hell they should be rare. That's just a joke.
I was talking with my friends about Ashiok (none of us are really excited about him and one of them really really hates the card) but we stumbled across something neat that I wanted to mention.
What if Ashiok was able to steal any card out of exile? Like his -X could cast a card from exile and make it yours (edit: not just ones he has exiled but *all* cards exiled). He'd be able to grab things like Obzedat and Aetherling. I know this could potentially make him *too* much of a counter to those cards, but I thought it would be a cool idea. Has a card done this before?
What if Ashiok was able to steal any card out of exile? Like his -X could cast a card from exile and make it yours (edit: not just ones he has exiled but *all* cards exiled). He'd be able to grab things like Obzedat and Aetherling. I know this could potentially make him *too* much of a counter to those cards, but I thought it would be a cool idea. Has a card done this before?
Says it has to be exiled by Ashiok. Though you're just supposing if he could? Yeah, that would be awesome.
Well, yah, but I'm saying what if he could grab any card in exile.
I know this would throw a wrench in a lot of cards that exile (simple example is grabbing a card that gets exiled by Oblivion Ring or something), but it could steal your opponents Aetherling or something like that.
edit: I'm probably sounding really dumb but I'm just postulating crazy mechanics because it amuses me. Also I'll be trying to make Ashiok work one way or another.
I know this would throw a wrench in a lot of cards that exile (simple example is grabbing a card that gets exiled by Oblivion Ring or something), but it could steal your opponents Aetherling or something like that.
edit: I'm probably sounding really dumb but I'm just postulating crazy mechanics because it amuses me. Also I'll be trying to make Ashiok work one way or another.
I think the opposite is true. I think they want the allied fetches in Modern as soon as possible. I expect M15 or, more likely, the block following it to have them.
mm, scrylands aren't that bad, but it's really difficult to go to value town with domri.
is bad enough that naya domri midrange is losing to boros midrange a disturbing percentage of the time cos of SB banisher priest
like 90
nykthos is THE. NUT. using it to enable mortars and stuff is
ohmygod
is bad enough that naya domri midrange is losing to boros midrange a disturbing percentage of the time cos of SB banisher priest
like 90
nykthos is THE. NUT. using it to enable mortars and stuff is
ohmygod
The scrylands are so horribly boring and underpowered for duals that it has to be happening. (I had pegged M15 when we saw the shocklands in RTR.)
It would be pretty crazy. And the shocks would be legal with them for like 3 months. Might actually be a good gateway into Modern, getting people used to them together in standard
This line only makes sense if you think R&D actually thinks the Scry lands suck and wanted to swing low to better sell a later product. However we know from the preview article that R&D was concerned that the Scry lands may be too good. So.....
This is actually midrange: the set, so they're much better in that context. Aggro is totally not a thing.
should I be calling my fast midrange decks 'aggro'?
cos that's how the matchups are playing out. it's p. sad.
It really feels like they saw RTR block and didn't even want to bother - hence guys like NeoWatchWolf.
Also, Azorius Charm + Ashiok is possibly the funniest thing ever now.
Ohhhh lordy
Lol jesus
Keru_Shiri
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Tempted to lock-in a playset of Polis Crusher at $2 apiece on a SCG Preorder. What do you guys think?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Does every block set have rare dual lands in it?
Do it. You're not going to lose much if it drops, but the card is good.
Keru_Shiri
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Good point. Worst case scenario I'm out $4 since I'd be extremely surprised if this guy doesn't see some kind of play, even if I have to wait for a format change (same thing seems to be happening to my Ash Zealots right now).
Counterspells are so, so much better right now.
Nikodemos
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On the other hand, you can't Essence Scatter Bestow creatures, since they're Auras until they hit the field.
Keru_Shiri
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Is that only if you pay the Bestow cost, or in general?
EDIT: After re-reading the reminder text for Bestow, it looks like it does enter the stack as an Aura if you pay the Bestow cost. Interesting.
Should be just with Bestow cost since that turns it into an Aura spell instead of a creature.
New Commander Decks are November 1st: http://wizards.com/ContentResources...13_09_03_commander2013_Solicitation_en_US.pdf This may be what gets me playing Commander finally.
Time to get my preorder on
After having like 10 people in a row on deckbox offer me for the one extra marsh flats I have for trade, I'm finally taking it off my tradelist. It wouldn't even be bad if they had stuff worth trading for or if that was the only valuable card I have for trade. I'm starting to think people don't even know why they need fetches, just that they need all of them immediately. Same happens in real life but to a lesser extent since people can't just skip past 99% of my binder.
I feel like the format is just mono color/mono color splash another color big aggro vs control
and that color is always red
and control can run 4 fiendslayer paladin
ffs wizards
our favorite deck so far is big boros, though. Upkeep Aurelia's Fury to dodge sorcery speed removal is rage-inducing, and the creatures are pretty hate-y.
and that color is always red
and control can run 4 fiendslayer paladin
ffs wizards
our favorite deck so far is big boros, though. Upkeep Aurelia's Fury to dodge sorcery speed removal is rage-inducing, and the creatures are pretty hate-y.
blindrocket
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All I know is: I want to play Ashiok + Jace + Azorius Charm.
that's what lucario and I are playtesting now actually, lol
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ready for this beatdown????
People really don't understand on that card what the -X actually is. (yet)
these matchups aren't even remotely fair, leading me to believe I'm not building correctly
esper control is currently 4-0 against Wr midrange
Wr midrange is like 5-1 against naya midrange
and naya midrange is 3-1 against esper control -- super easy to play around the counterspells, and I didn't put in enough pressure to get through domri rade. Resolving one is pretty much GG.
making some changes so everything's a little more balanced. If someone can recommend an aggro list that'd be cool, because the best one I have so far is a rakdos list running thoughtseize to help against control.
PS: Lion can win games, but Voice of Resurgence has been lackluster. Too much removal exiles, the token never gets big unless you're already winning, etc.
PPS: Ashiok is neat. By neat I mean he's insane.
Going to try lifebane zombie instead of fiendslayer in the main for esper control. Will see how that plays out, lol.
esper control is currently 4-0 against Wr midrange
Wr midrange is like 5-1 against naya midrange
and naya midrange is 3-1 against esper control -- super easy to play around the counterspells, and I didn't put in enough pressure to get through domri rade. Resolving one is pretty much GG.
making some changes so everything's a little more balanced. If someone can recommend an aggro list that'd be cool, because the best one I have so far is a rakdos list running thoughtseize to help against control.
PS: Lion can win games, but Voice of Resurgence has been lackluster. Too much removal exiles, the token never gets big unless you're already winning, etc.
PPS: Ashiok is neat. By neat I mean he's insane.
Going to try lifebane zombie instead of fiendslayer in the main for esper control. Will see how that plays out, lol.
Ew, Fiendslayer? That seems bad.
I assumed esper would suuuuuuuper soft against RDW, and people like to play aggro in new formats.
2 Fiendslayer in the main was a poorly thought out way to compensate for that, but it wasn't anywhere near good enough in non-aggro matchups. The only time it was relevant was when I used two to hold off a Smiter.
Here's the first esper list, it's extremely rough and I need suggestions:
COUNTERS:
1 Essence Scatter
2 Psychic Strike
4 Syncopate
REMOVAL:
4 Azorius Charm
2 Supreme Verdict
2 Doom Blade
2 Far // Away
2 Detention Sphere
DUDES:
2 Fiendslayer Paladin (to be replaced)
2 Aetherling
PWs:
3 Ashiok
3 Jace, Architect of Thought
DRAW:
4 Sphinx's Revelation
LAND:
12 Shocks
8 Scrygates
4 Island
3 Plains
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
There are too many relevant black creatures and Fiendslayer is too popular right now for Doom Blade to ever be in the main board. It's far too often a dead card.
4 lifebane zombies did some work i guess
not enough though. domri is a blowout, which means we can't tap out for ashiok on turn 3 (unless the board is already clear, then go for it).
uuuuuuuuuuugh fucking naya
it's boring and I hate it and it's beating everything
4 VoR
4 that fucking annoying lion who I hate
2 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Domri Rade
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Boros Reckoner
1 Xenagos
4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Aurelia
8 Scrygaits
12 Shocks
5 basics
if standard turns into big midrange vs midrange matchups than I'm gonna be pissed. esper just isn't doing shit to this list.
will test more tomorrow
not enough though. domri is a blowout, which means we can't tap out for ashiok on turn 3 (unless the board is already clear, then go for it).
uuuuuuuuuuugh fucking naya
it's boring and I hate it and it's beating everything
4 VoR
4 that fucking annoying lion who I hate
2 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Domri Rade
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Boros Reckoner
1 Xenagos
4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Aurelia
8 Scrygaits
12 Shocks
5 basics
if standard turns into big midrange vs midrange matchups than I'm gonna be pissed. esper just isn't doing shit to this list.
will test more tomorrow
blindrocket
Member
Anyone interested in trading?
I have a FOIL Scavenging Ooze M14.
I have a FOIL Scavenging Ooze M14.
blindrocket
Member
Fleecemane Lion?
And I know Scry is cool and all that, but why not Lightning Helix instead of Magma Jet? Same CMC with one extra point of damage plus life gain. Okay, so obviously you value the scry ability more... and I know that scry is good, I just suppose that the aggro in me prefers the damage and the life gain helps with the shocks.
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