good point. I want split mana costs again so I can always play monocolor though!
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good point. I want split mana costs again so I can always play monocolor though!
Yup. This card feels so out of place.
platypotamus
Member
Image isn't working for me, what's the card?
2G common Sorcery that exiles target enchantment or artifact.
I awlays though that green shouldn't have that much enchantment destruction. I get that it likes to keep things natural, but the ability to actually remove magical enchantments with magic from the wild is kind of weird for me flavor-wise.
The problem is that G/W have essentially turned into the same color instead of Green swapping with White re: Enchantment/Artifacts.
platypotamus
Member
Is it just weird for you guys because of the "exile" part? Green has had naturalize effects for forever, right?
Yuuuuup.
Definitely.
I've always felt that white should've lost artifact hate, but gotten stronger enchantment hate. Red, likewise, should have the strongest artifact hate. Green should get both, but at much weaker levels.
narcosis219
Member
Yup. Exiling isn't typically a green thing. It's mostly a white thing.
Exiling in this set is extremely relevant, at least in limited. The God cards are all indestructible, so naturalize can't take care of them. Now that we have this, green has a nice answer to the god cards.
noncreatures (10):
4 Magma Jet
1 Putrefy
3 Domri Rade
1 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
1 Rakdos's Return
creatures (26):
2 Lotleth Troll
4 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Boon Satyr
3 Varolz
4 Reaper of the Wilds
1 Polukranos
2 Underworld Cerberus
3 Stormbreath Dragon
lands (24):
4 Temple of Abandon
12 shocks
4 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Mountain
SB:
2 Crypt Incursion
2 Xenagos
1 Putrefy
3 Lifebane Zombie
4 Thoughtseize
2 Mistcutter Hydra
1 Slaughter Games
4 Magma Jet
1 Putrefy
3 Domri Rade
1 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
1 Rakdos's Return
creatures (26):
2 Lotleth Troll
4 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Boon Satyr
3 Varolz
4 Reaper of the Wilds
1 Polukranos
2 Underworld Cerberus
3 Stormbreath Dragon
lands (24):
4 Temple of Abandon
12 shocks
4 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Mountain
SB:
2 Crypt Incursion
2 Xenagos
1 Putrefy
3 Lifebane Zombie
4 Thoughtseize
2 Mistcutter Hydra
1 Slaughter Games
ThLunarian
Member
Fade into Antiquity is actually worse than Deglamer, which has always been able to handle indestructible stuff (and is a card I would prefer to have over this one). I don't see the color pie violation here.
If anything, blue and green should have the easiest time dealing with gods, since they're the least faith based colors of the five.
If anything, blue and green should have the easiest time dealing with gods, since they're the least faith based colors of the five.
Green + Exile is the problem. I suspect this is "Commander Creep", as there have suddenly been a number of questions about "tucking" on MaRo's blog.
"Tucking", btw, is something that someone really, really should have googled before deciding to use it as MTG shorthand. I have to ssts every time.
ThLunarian
Member
I don't see the issue, honestly. At the heart of it, green is good at killing enchantments and artifacts. To claim there's a color pie difference between destroying, exiling, or tucking them seems silly.
Plus, I didn't see anyone get up in arms over Curse of the Swine
Plus, I didn't see anyone get up in arms over Curse of the Swine
That's a change I can get behind since it matches the flavor of something being transmogrified more than the "destroy" it used to have. If something gets turned into a pig it shouldn't be able to be reanimated next turn too.
The curse is a transformative ability.I don't see the issue, honestly. At the heart of it, green is good at killing enchantments and artifacts. To claim there's a color pie difference between destroying, exiling, or tucking them seems silly.
Plus, I didn't see anyone get up in arms over Curse of the Swine
What is tucking
Some commander players are using it to refer to Hinder/Deglamer style abilities. It's also frequently used as a term on...Drag Race.
ThLunarian
Member
Flimsy flavor justification for a very out-of-color mechanical effect.
Tucking is shuffling something back into someone's library, or putting it on the bottom of their library.
Yet you're perfectly ok with it in Green? This seems...incoherent? Blue gets to transform creatures. Exile's far preferable to Destroy.
They specifically said (on MaRo's blog) that they didn't use the Hallowed Burial wording due to Commander.
Blue is the color of tricks and illusions. Also transformations. Delver is covered under this, as is Turn to Frog, Rapid Hybridization, morphing type creatures, etc
platypotamus
Member
My guess is that they pulled it from other card/board games. I know Innovation (a pretty kick ass non-collectible card game) uses it.
ThLunarian
Member
Transforming creatures is a very minor, niche ability of blue's that only shows up very rarely on cards. Mechanically, Curse of the Swine exiles multiple creatures with a potentially very minor drawback, and uses the excuse of "transforming" them. Blue is not supposed to be able to get rid of creatures permanently.
A major part of green's identity, present on multiple cards in every set, is getting rid of artifacts and enchantments, in more ways than simply destroying them (Deglamer, the commander card that makes each opponent sacrifice one, Molder Slug). FiA is simply an extension of that theme.
I'm fine with both cards, but in terms of color pie, Curse of the Swine is a worse offender than Fade into Antiquity.
The drawback's far from minor in most (non-Limited/Commander) formats.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I knew they had to have some sort of answer for the indestructible enchantments, but I didn't think it'd be as cheap as the lesser of them and common.
Nice Erebos, bro. Tap 3, exile it. Go.
Nice Erebos, bro. Tap 3, exile it. Go.
ThLunarian
Member
Card valuations are a different story, but if you have any kind of board presence at all (ie, a creature bigger than 2/3) and more than 5 life, the drawback is negligible.
It's similar to Path to Exile (note: I am not suggesting that they have an overall comparable power level). You would rather not use it early on some tiny creature, but you sure are glad to have it when people are dropping dragons and angels on you.
trying to work on a gimmick deck where nearly everything has alternate casting costs now, which is what the silly jund list above is a draft of
lotleth is a 2 drop against decks with limited removal or if you wanna trade with an aggressive 1drop, 3 drop otherwise
ooze is basically an x-spell who you don't play until there's a creature in the 'yard if you suspect magma jet
etc, etc. I don't think it'll be too competitive, I just really like the idea of being able to pace myself depending on the matchup. Will be a good deck to improve myself as a player with if the choices are deep enough.
Also, there are insane things to be done with Cerberus in a list like this. Never running out of plays is pretty boss.
lotleth is a 2 drop against decks with limited removal or if you wanna trade with an aggressive 1drop, 3 drop otherwise
ooze is basically an x-spell who you don't play until there's a creature in the 'yard if you suspect magma jet
etc, etc. I don't think it'll be too competitive, I just really like the idea of being able to pace myself depending on the matchup. Will be a good deck to improve myself as a player with if the choices are deep enough.
Also, there are insane things to be done with Cerberus in a list like this. Never running out of plays is pretty boss.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Also, someone has datamined MTGO beta.
MTGsalvation is getting the full spoiler. There are a lot of one drop enchantments and low cost instants popping up.
MTGsalvation is getting the full spoiler. There are a lot of one drop enchantments and low cost instants popping up.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
crimsonspider89
Banned
Well we just got a shit ton of heroic enablers. Anyone planning to do a heroic aggro now?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Hey, Guardians of Meletis are the first outwardly homosexual card that I can recall.
blindrocket
Member
I cant read text that small. lol
It's a nerfed Whispersilk Cloak.
blindrocket
Member
His face/mask thing has a similar shape to the King.
I actually like this guy. Well, both of those creepy kings. But as for the Magic card, I could definitely see throwing a couple of him into my B/R deck. He could turn the creatures into shock spells later in the game as a finisher.
blindrocket
Member
I hate getting outbid on ebay. I don't have the cash to pay full price for these cards!
Keru_Shiri
Member
Messenger's Speed
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Enchantment -Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has Haste and Trample
Wow!
R
Enchantment -Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has Haste and Trample
Wow!
acheron_xl
Member
Were you expecting one when every other card in the set has scry? That role is filled by Lost in a Labyrinth, apparently.
Better pictures on salvation.
Mogis' Marauders is a bomb in limited.
Dragon Mantle is a nice Firebreathing upgrade.
Warrior's Lesson is pretty good. Drawing 2 cards for one mana is always great. Better still if one of the creatures is the blue heroic dude that draws you a card when targeted.
Also, it seems like there's a lot more counter spells than in a typical large set. I may just be imagining it though.
After checking, it looks like it has more counter spells than most recent large sets, but so did RTR and Gatecrash.
Mogis' Marauders is a bomb in limited.
Dragon Mantle is a nice Firebreathing upgrade.
Warrior's Lesson is pretty good. Drawing 2 cards for one mana is always great. Better still if one of the creatures is the blue heroic dude that draws you a card when targeted.
Also, it seems like there's a lot more counter spells than in a typical large set. I may just be imagining it though.
After checking, it looks like it has more counter spells than most recent large sets, but so did RTR and Gatecrash.
I would have preferred a Terramorphic Expanse analog, especially since we are losing Evolving Wilds soon.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Theros set design seems a little wonky from a Limited perspective. I'm having a really hard time getting a read on how it will play. I thought devotion was going to be a bigger part of the limited format, pushing mono-colored drafting, but that doesn't appear to be the case. And there are a ton of auras, but a lot of them seem to be terrible. Heroic aggro looks pretty strong though.
I'm definitely very curious to draft it. It looks to be quite different.
I'm definitely very curious to draft it. It looks to be quite different.
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