Keru_Shiri
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^^ Yeah, most groups have differing opinions on Un-card legality, so I'd definitely check it out with them.
Speaking of, I wish Goblin Bookie would see a non-silvered border reprint for my goofy Jhoria deck.
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^^ Yeah, most groups have differing opinions on Un-card legality, so I'd definitely check it out with them.
Speaking of, I wish Goblin Bookie would see a non-silvered border reprint for my goofy Jhoria deck.
Fragamemnon
Member
DRS let the midrange cards become playable in the format's timeframes and through it's mana disruption. Combo decks -with the help of some new technology and printings-compensated by just going off faster.
I know it's my opinion only that the sign of a unhealthy format is the lack of an creature based aggro deck. But I don't think I'm off at all in saying that the format has really sped up over the span between ACR and now.
My comparison about vintage is that vintage is a place where existing pillars are self-reinforcing and are so strong they largely prevent different approaches. I disagree with your assessment that the decks are either all linears or all hate. Some are definitely the former, but the latter definitely isn't the case.
I want to build a Jhoira deck as my first EDH thing. I'm definitely not going to do the incredibly obvious and boring "Suspend Obliterate -> Suspend Eldrazi" plan. That doesn't sound fun for anyone. I'm guessing you're running a bunch of Scrambleverse-ish things? Don't know if quite that much chaos is what I'm going for. Not quite sure what my actual plan is for actually winning a game besides suspending things that are cool. And using cards to make them come off suspend faster.
Having never shopped for EDH stuff before I am really enjoying getting to pick up cards that have cool effects that I'd never play otherwise ever. Though I really should wait for the new deck's contents to be spoiled so I don't end up with extras since one would presume the Grixis deck would have some stuff I'd use.
Keru_Shiri
Member
My original design for the deck was to make it as obnoxious as possible with Warp World and Scrambleverse type effects but let me tell you: it gets old quickly. Everyone stopping to read a paragraph of text 3 times, refusing to abide by your abridged explanations, and just the general flow of the game grinds to a screeching halt. Instead, I look for goofier, fun "enabler" effects like blue Braids, or targeted nuisances like Soldier of Fortune.
Virtually any general with R/U gets the job done, but Jhoria gives more room to work around mana screw, plus it can be fun to countdown some crazy effect, but I can see other generals working as well. Waiting for the new Commander decks should be a good idea, the last batch had pretty good value, and were fun to play and customize. No reason to suspect this batch won't be the same.
RUG Dragons is so fun.
Green for lands and monster draws
Blue for tricks and removal
Red for DRAGONS
blindrocket
Member
Any of you selling any Modern Jund deck cards by chance?
Even then, Sligh ran mana denial (especially Strip Mine and Wasteland, to a lesser extent Rishadan Port) and janky control cards like Meekstone or Ankh of Mishra.
Goofy red aggro-kinda control decks are far more interesting than what people idealize RDW to be (the original RDW maindecked Pillages IIRC, hardly a pure agro deck).
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Tell me this isn't hilarious.
divisionbyzorro
Member
How often are you generating excess white mana? Or drawing cheap spells that aren't doing anything? I almost wonder if something with Extort might be good for you, like a Blind Obedience or Syndic of Tithes or something.
The sad thing is that the white devotion cards just aren't very good in Theros.
Also, it's somewhat amusing that Heliod isn't in that list.
The sad thing is that the white devotion cards just aren't very good in Theros.
Also, it's somewhat amusing that Heliod isn't in that list.divisionbyzorro
Member
My new favorite combo in Theros Draft: Aqueous Form on a Flamespeaker Adept.
I'm probably jinxing myself by posting before the finals is played out, but that combo singlehandedly brought me into the finals of this 8-4 against two straight green decks. They both had Bow of Nylea and Nylea's Disciple.
EDIT: We split. Fine by me; I'm hungry and ready for dinner. This was my deck:
I'm probably jinxing myself by posting before the finals is played out, but that combo singlehandedly brought me into the finals of this 8-4 against two straight green decks. They both had Bow of Nylea and Nylea's Disciple.
EDIT: We split. Fine by me; I'm hungry and ready for dinner. This was my deck:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Doubling Season that doesn't break Planeswalkers for everybody!
Obviously worse than Doubling Season, but hey, now it can be quadrupling season.
Yay. Doesn't replace DS in my heart, doesn't work in my Thallid deck (okay, as well) and it removes basically all of the unexpected interactions, but I'll probably grab a few.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
How often are you generating excess white mana? Or drawing cheap spells that aren't doing anything? I almost wonder if something with Extort might be good for you, like a Blind Obedience or Syndic of Tithes or something.
The sad thing is that the white devotion cards just aren't very good in Theros.
I'm never drawing excess white. The hilarious part is throwing down a Angel with Nykthos and an extra mana open for protection. The only iffy card in that list that is left over from when it was a devotion/heroic deck (Heliod just isn't very good) is Ethereal armor and Fabled Hero is the board. I don't really like either of those a ton, so I'm open to suggestions on those.
EsotericManiac
Banned
Anyone play vintage in here?
I'm putting together RUG for a tournament in two weeks.
I'm putting together RUG for a tournament in two weeks.
Fragamemnon
Member
yes, I don't play often here in the mid atlantic but I've smacked around paul mastriano and some other notables in some tourneys over the last year and a half or so.
I played a U/R Gush/Delver tempo list w/ Young Pyromancer at our last event and it was pretty fun. You could run the green for a maindeck grudge or two and nature's claim out of the board vs. shops or oath.
Lighting bolt is still my BFF in this format.
EsotericManiac
Banned
the lists i saw were running goyf as well and allows it access to another mox. grudge main seems sweet.
it 10 proxy tournaments. I would only need 7 or 8 with the deck
My new favorite combo in Theros Draft: Aqueous Form on a Flamespeaker Adept.
I'm probably jinxing myself by posting before the finals is played out, but that combo singlehandedly brought me into the finals of this 8-4 against two straight green decks. They both had Bow of Nylea and Nylea's Disciple.
EDIT: We split. Fine by me; I'm hungry and ready for dinner. This was my deck:
I lost in the finals in 2 4-3-2-2 tournaments last night because of Vaporkin with red ordeal. Both freaking times! Great deck. Did pull a Stormbreath and Reaper of Wilds so no complaints. Love this format.
No the original sligh didn't run Rishadan, because original sligh was like 1996. It ran Ironclaw orcs and the likes. RG version used kird (when it still wasn't banned and after it went unbanned), llanowar elves and other things i don't remember.
RDW ran it yeah, it ran 4 wastes + 4 pillage and often (i played it at least) 4 Tangle Wire. There were many variants too.
Fragamemnon
Member
I kind of like some number of goyfs. They get monster real fast in this format. You need the third mox anyway for this deck, so might as well run the green. It's better to have the extra color vs. having the slightly more stable manabase vs. shops.
Oh, one tip-Spell Snare is good in this format. It's really underrated. Run at least one, I ran two and was always happy to see it, vs. spell pierce/flusterstorm which were always much more conditional (though I still like 1 MD flusterstorm).
Animal
Banned
So after spending a couple hours in hearthstone I got the itch to visit magic again.
I found my old cards in a dusty closet and it consists of Worldwake/M10 cards. About 200 of them. On top of that my best cards are band apparently?
It seems they are useless in "Gameday play" as gamedays only allow the last core set plus two most recent expansions I was told.
So I plan on purchasing a booster box and maybe a fat pack to get up to date and eligible to play gamedays and FNM at my local gamestore.
The question is which set do I buy for the booster box? M14 or Theros? Ravnica?
I found my old cards in a dusty closet and it consists of Worldwake/M10 cards. About 200 of them. On top of that my best cards are band apparently?
It seems they are useless in "Gameday play" as gamedays only allow the last core set plus two most recent expansions I was told.
So I plan on purchasing a booster box and maybe a fat pack to get up to date and eligible to play gamedays and FNM at my local gamestore.
The question is which set do I buy for the booster box? M14 or Theros? Ravnica?
This mean you have Jace, The Mind Sculptor? That could get you a pretty penny if you wanted to sell it.
And yeah, Game Days are Standard (M14, Theros, Return to Ravnica block) only. If you specifically want to play competitive constructed buying singles is the better way to go as opposed to buying boxes. If you want to get a decent deck as easy as possible to build off of you could try grabbing the Theros Event Deck. And then adding singles to that.
EsotericManiac
Banned
i own like 8 or so snares. most lists i was looking at contained some number of them so I assumed they knew more than I do about the card
I don't really care for it in most matchups in legacy btw
Animal
Banned
I wish but unfortunately its Stoneforge Mystic and Abyssal Persecutor.
I think I'm going to go for the Theros Event Deck then. I never was a complete and experienced magic player\deck builder. I always lost interest early on. I think I need more experience playing and constructing before going full singles. Thanks for the help!
Very good choice. Lots of great cards for a good price.
Keru_Shiri
Member
I think Stoneforge sees regular play in Legacy, so there's a chance it's value will start to creep up as time goes on, even more so if R&D does an about-face in the future and unbans Stoneforge in Modern (but don't hold your breath on the latter part,
). I don't see Persecutor ever going for more than $10, however.The devotion matters, and it doesn't hit as hard, nor can it play Defense.
Keru_Shiri
Member
I remember seeing Vaporkin in at least one of the video deck techs this weekend. I can't pull up any videos right now, but it shouldn't be too difficult to search for them on Wizard's site.
Fragamemnon
Member
I think Stoneforge sees regular play in Legacy, so there's a chance it's value will start to creep up as time goes on, even more so if R&D does an about-face in the future and unbans Stoneforge in Modern (but don't hold your breath on the latter part,
that would be a crazy about-face. Card was already good before NPH, Batterskull breaks it in half.
EsotericManiac
Banned
the foils (stoneforge) are worth a good bit. i don't think the regular versions will see $20+ for a quite some time due to the precons that she was in.
EsotericManiac
Banned
i can't imagine every deck not using her if she was unbanned
it would be a relatively short time before she was banned again.
it will never happen
Rumblings on twitter is that stores are getting their Commander orders cut. People are also forgetting you will be able to go to Walmart and Target a week or 2 later and buy them to their hearts content.
Also, people talking about the fetch lands getting printed in Commander instead of a standard legal set, which actually makes more sense than Magical Christmasland in Stamdard
Also, people talking about the fetch lands getting printed in Commander instead of a standard legal set, which actually makes more sense than Magical Christmasland in Stamdard
Keru_Shiri
Member
Geez, even the possibility of fetchlands in the Commander decks has me considering a preorder, but I was probably going to pick up the Jund deck anyways.
This is why they won't be there. They don't want pre-con decks eviscerated by dealers.
Is SFM in a format without Jitte really that broken? Wasting your first few turns trying to get a Batterskull on the board doesn't even seem that good anymore. That's not even counting having to fight through removal, discard, and V Cliques to make that happen. Is it really that much more broken than, say, Dark Confidant, a card that rarely comes up in the banlist conversations.
blindrocket
Member
That figures. I just finished buying the fetch lands I needed off of eBay.
blindrocket
Member
Doesn't that thing have a MSRP of only $40?
I wish Wizards would just do a website pre-order deal to avoid the LGS.
I know they are supposedly throwing them a bone or whatever, but it still sucks.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Wow, I just saw the Top 8 Decklists. I really like what Theros is doing to Standard, at least at first blush
BlewHedgehog
Member
It's exciting to see these heavy devotion decks have success. I want standard to have valid archetypes in as many color combinations as possible. Hopefully the junk and esper decks that we've seen in the weeks leading up to the PT are able to compete with Thassa and all, so we aren't still stuck with 4 decks that just happen to be different than what we'd expected.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, that's what I mean at first blush. I'm very excited to see four different mono-color strats (okay, admittedly not that dissimilar) shake things up like this, but if they just become the new dominant archtypes then that's not as interesting.
Supreme Verdict is awful right now.
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