Is supposed to be now? Because in the past it was a white effect, and blue has seen non-color protection 3 times against 15 or so of white. Again, dumb answers or downright lies from this dude who's managing to make magic more and more uninteractive with uncounterable, untargetable stuffs, no LD, less powerful countermagic. It's all about who stick the bigger creature first and then attack. The depth of strategy. My god.
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Is supposed to be now? Because in the past it was a white effect, and blue has seen non-color protection 3 times against 15 or so of white. Again, dumb answers or downright lies from this dude who's managing to make magic more and more uninteractive with uncounterable, untargetable stuffs, no LD, less powerful countermagic. It's all about who stick the bigger creature first and then attack. The depth of strategy. My god.
blindrocket
Member
No, feel free to argue. He may even be interested in your opinion. Though he'll most likely say something to the effect of "most of the feedback I have received has been very positive".
As for my opinion, I do see how it's a nut card and probably shouldn't have been printed like that.
Mark doesn't work on the design teams for supplemental products. This creature's also aimed square at Legacy, where most aggressive decks are blue-based.
blindrocket
Member
I need to really look up what all of the formats are specifically.
I was under the incorrect assumption that Legacy and Vintage used specifically older cards, as their names almost imply.
I read this article on Vintage today which was basically the first time I had bothered to read anything about it. I was surprised at the discussion of newer cards.
http://legitmtg.com/competitive/the-vintage-advantage-combo-no-5/
EDIT: Now I know...
Wikipedia said:
divisionbyzorro
Member
As much as I like Modern, it still feels like you're riding your older brother's bike with training wheels on it.
Fragamemnon
Member
That new card is heaps of dumb, but for most decks vendilion clique is still better at the cost it is asking.
Merfolk might play it, and probably should. Makes it easier to close out games with little fear of overextending. Much better finisher tha Coralhelm now that abrupt decay exists.
Merfolk might play it, and probably should. Makes it easier to close out games with little fear of overextending. Much better finisher tha Coralhelm now that abrupt decay exists.
Yeah I don't think it's worth it.
It's a weird format in which land denial and counterspells had to be neutered because players don't like them but Thoughtseize is perfectly acceptable!
I think that's more a side effect of the way cards are added to modern (by going through standard). I'm not sure what a legacy LD deck looks like (other than Sinkhole, Wasteland and Strip Mine), but Modern has a fair number of 3-drop LD cards. With the ubiquity of fetches, cards like Shadow of Doubt, Trickbind and Squelch can basically act as LD in most games.
That said, I'd love for them to come up with a way to add cards to modern that are acceptable there without having to go through standard.
It looks like Wasteland and Stifle.
EDIT: Eh, you said LD decks I read LD cards. I don't think LD decks exist in Legacy, I'm no expert.
Thanks man. That is how we have been playing.
EsotericManiac
Banned
Strip mine is banned from legacy
I would imagine a heavy LD type deck in legacy would run wasteland, probably stifle, sink hole, and probably hymn. it's one of the few discard spells that can hit lands
i would think cards like thalia might be good as well as artifacts that increase the cost of cheap, inexpensive spells to stall the game.
you can essentially get the same type of effect with just running crucible of worlds or life from the loam and playing wasteland every turn
I would imagine a heavy LD type deck in legacy would run wasteland, probably stifle, sink hole, and probably hymn. it's one of the few discard spells that can hit lands
i would think cards like thalia might be good as well as artifacts that increase the cost of cheap, inexpensive spells to stall the game.
you can essentially get the same type of effect with just running crucible of worlds or life from the loam and playing wasteland every turn
Ah lol that makes sense, I thought it was the next theros expansion.
I've been quietly designing that exact deck slowly over the last few weeks.
God damn you lol
EsotericManiac
Banned
lol you just can't play strip mine
you could also toss in rishadan ports, if you have them.
knight of the reliquary helps fetch out wastelands too
No no, I know Strip Mine is banned. The skeleton you said is the one I landed on though. I get a hard on thinking about Snapcaster-Sinkhole and how mad my opponent would get. Was considering Chalice of the Void to lock the board up after doing the dirty stuff.
EsotericManiac
Banned
chalice completely shuts off certain decks so that's definitely good.
i'd make it either BUG or UWB, personally
playing green gives you a quick clock (tarmo) and access to life from the loam
white would give you thalia and cheap removal, but swords might be hurt by your chalice plan
have a LD style deck would make cards like spell pierce and daze almost like hard counters
EsotericManiac
Banned
lol
play big jace too so that when you land lock them out, you get to pick their draws
"land? well, we can't allow that! BOTTOM!"
/enters scoop phase
play big jace too so that when you land lock them out, you get to pick their draws
"land? well, we can't allow that! BOTTOM!"
/enters scoop phase
Now to afford them lol
EsotericManiac
Banned
fair enough
I was just going along with your plan to make your opponent rage.
i have three. one was stolen
acheron_xl
Member
Kinda don't like this being another card that every EDH deck would be stupid not to run.
As a player that plays almost 100% EDH, I have to agree. It's much more interesting as a deckbuilder (to me anyway) to have to figure out what are the best cards for my deck are, instead of having them obviously lampshaded for me. This seems to be my major issue with Commander products in general. I've had a Grixis colored punisher deck for a while now that runs Sedris as the boss, since the selection of Grixis commanders was limited. Now there's Nekusar, which hooks so tightly into my deck's themes, that I'm convinced that someone at Wizards was also running essentially the same deck, and wanted an on-theme general. Makes it almost too easy, and it doesn't make me feel good. It'll also be much harder to surprise people if the commander explicitly states the point of the deck before a spell is even cast.
I'd be pissed. I'm jealous you have 3 thoughfair enough
I was just going along with your plan to make your opponent rage.
i have three. one was stolen
EsotericManiac
Banned
i won the playset in a tournament
i was upset. i don't know exactly who to be pissed at, so yea.
3 seems to be the number for most legacy decks so it's not a huge deal
i'm actually more upset right now I don't know what happened to my 4th counterbalance as my miracles deck might want to go back up to 4 of them.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Why isn't Copy Artifact more valuable?
EsotericManiac
Banned
probably for it's usefulness
it's much better to search for the artifact you need (tutor) than it is to have an extra copy in play just in case
it's much better to search for the artifact you need (tutor) than it is to have an extra copy in play just in case
divisionbyzorro
Member
Just 3-0d an 8-4 with another UR "all-in-oh-please-be-good-to-me-dealer." This was the (awesome) final attack for lethal:
I lost game one, then won game two of the final match. Off of a mulligan to 6. Where I kept a one-lander with Akroan Crusader and Dragon Mantle. His life total was at 8 when he untapped on turn 4 (thanks in part to his own Blood-Toll Harpy).
I lost game one, then won game two of the final match. Off of a mulligan to 6. Where I kept a one-lander with Akroan Crusader and Dragon Mantle. His life total was at 8 when he untapped on turn 4 (thanks in part to his own Blood-Toll Harpy).
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
That makes sense.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Is this an official Magic game you are playing or some derivative online? Cost to play? Wouldn't mind playtesting decks with another real person before I play against my buddies in our vintage strange-rules tournament.
EsotericManiac
Banned
That's the official client, non-beta
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
They simplify the card text for resolution's sakes, then, I presume?
EsotericManiac
Banned
if the card has too much text you have to put your mouse over it and it will show up in the middle
the client is extremely old. people could use the beta but it's not without it's problems
divisionbyzorro
Member
When the cards are in play, the text is shrunk down. When you expand them, you get the full text.
And sadly Vintage isn't available online; at least, not really. They have something called "Classic," which approximates Vintage, but a lot of the really powerful old cards haven't been released on MTGO yet.
Yeah.
Playtesting on there would not be cheap. There's an initial ten dollar sign up fee to make an account and then you'd need to buy cards individually.
EsotericManiac
Banned
if you want to play vintage online, the best I could recommend is magic workstation (if that's allowed)
but the players are somewhat sub-par and man, do they suck with the rules at times
but the players are somewhat sub-par and man, do they suck with the rules at times
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
oh, that's too bad. I guess I will continue to use the other sites mtgdeckbuilder to playtest with cards I don't have yet. I just wish they had head-to-head modes for built decks
EsotericManiac
Banned
sort of off topic, but not ...
came home to a flooded basement last friday. we had 10" of rain in 24 hours. my basement had about 4" water in some spots. my deck back happened to be sitting in a pool of water
OH SH!T!!
thankfully, my legacy decks were at the top of the bag away from the water. my bag with binders in it was drenched, but somehow only 2 cards got wet (the m13 mythic enchant creature that is white and 4 mana, angelic something or other)
super lucked-out on my part lol
came home to a flooded basement last friday. we had 10" of rain in 24 hours. my basement had about 4" water in some spots. my deck back happened to be sitting in a pool of water
OH SH!T!!
thankfully, my legacy decks were at the top of the bag away from the water. my bag with binders in it was drenched, but somehow only 2 cards got wet (the m13 mythic enchant creature that is white and 4 mana, angelic something or other)
super lucked-out on my part lol
EsotericManiac
Banned
my wife insists on putting them down there. they were right next to a table they could have easily been placed on.
you can believe they won't be going in the basement any longer
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
attics get hot and stuffy, which can warp and destroy cards as well. The main floor is your best bet.
I still prefer blue, but black is a great supporting color. This past Tuesday, I drafted a pretty sick U/B deck that consisted of cheap, evasive fliers back up with good ground bodies, a few kill cards and counters. I was fortunate enough to get the full value of Stymied Hopes, catching opponents every time they fully tapped out. Feels good man.
I mentioned it before but I love Shipwreck Singer. I got to draft 3 of them and was in lala land. They did work every time. I pulled it in every match, sometimes getting two on the board, and once getting all 3 of them on the board lol. I also had 2 Returned Phalanx for cheap defensive and forced them to attack into them with Shipwreck. Such a great combo.
1 Vaporkin
2 Returned Phalanx
1 Omenspeaker
3 Shipwreck Singer
1 Nimbus Naiad
2 Blood-Toll Harpy
1 Agent of Fates
1 Insatiable Harpy
1 Returned Centaur
1 Nighthowler
1 Prescient Chimera
1 Benthic Giant
1 Annul
1 Aqueous Form
1 Boon of Erebos
1 Parika's Cure
1 Stymied Hopes
1 Dissolve
1 Sip of Hemlock
9 Island
8 Swamps
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
BUG Prophet (of Kruphix). I want this to work.
blindrocket
Member
Man I need to stop buying cards. I just bought a play set of Thoughtseize.
EsotericManiac
Banned
that's probably the best investment you've made in the game for months
Sit on them forever.
Thoughtseize hasn't crashed yet? How?
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