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blindrocket
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I played Commander yesterday and played Power Hungry with Prossh. My opponent played Mind Seize with Thraximundar and seriously gave me a hard run for many games.
Thraximundar basically has Annihilator 1 on creatures. It was making it hard to block him.
And there were times when I did have Prossh out, he had the deathtouch Strix out or two different creatures with flying that prevent combat damage to them. Therefore he had these eternal blockers that would stop Prossh. It was annoying.
I need to add some more removal into the deck I think because it doesn't have much.
Thraximundar basically has Annihilator 1 on creatures. It was making it hard to block him.
And there were times when I did have Prossh out, he had the deathtouch Strix out or two different creatures with flying that prevent combat damage to them. Therefore he had these eternal blockers that would stop Prossh. It was annoying.
I need to add some more removal into the deck I think because it doesn't have much.
blindrocket
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What do you think of these "14 predictions for 2014"?
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/blake...ly-incorrect-wishes-and-predictions-for-2014/
I do think that fetch lands are coming, perhaps 2015 if not 2014.
Thassa does seem really good, like maybe Modern good. A 3 mana indestructible 5/5 that can make a creature unblockable, AND grant a scry every upkeep? That's a lot of stuff for a 3 CMC card.
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/blake...ly-incorrect-wishes-and-predictions-for-2014/
I do think that fetch lands are coming, perhaps 2015 if not 2014.
Thassa does seem really good, like maybe Modern good. A 3 mana indestructible 5/5 that can make a creature unblockable, AND grant a scry every upkeep? That's a lot of stuff for a 3 CMC card.
I've thought that M15 was the perfect place to reprint them as well. 3 months of insanity in Standard and would explain why the scrylands are so damn slow.
"God's Beard!"
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Fetchlands in 2015 would make my DRSs so happy.
CorruptShadow
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I don't think fetches are a core set card. I think it's more likely that they print them with the new block in September/October. This would give the fetches a solid 2 year run in standard and help bring the prices down, and make modern that much more accessible. Personally, I believe the Zendi's are going to be reprinted and I highly doubt that the onslaught ones will get reprinted. The primary reason being I don't think that wizards wants all 10 in Modern.
I stopped reading at the bolded part. If you think they're off limits, I just... no.
CorruptShadow
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Believe what you want to about the onslaught ones, I personally doubt it but I've heard arguments both ways. As far as fetches being in a core set, get real. Consider how long core sets are drafted, wizards stated goal of getting more people into modern, and recent examples of where staple cards are printed.
Also even if you are correct and the onslaughts are coming it's not viable to print 10 fetches in a core set. It would make far more sense to spread them out over a block, hence why M15 is not the place for fetches.
As I final point NO I don't think they are "off limits" as you put it. Quite conceivably, they could reprint the fetches in a special set, FTV or something. That wouldn't fall under the modern playable category. Wizards has been quite forceful/controlling of the modern format, a wariness on their part to bring in all 10 fetches, seems par for the course to me.
CorruptShadow
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No argument on that front, I don't have binders of fetches laying around and frankly I would love a reprint. For the record I would chuck the reserved list too. I'm a gamer not a collector. But I still would love to hear your argument why fetch lands that haven't been printed since 2002, in a format that has been codified since 2011. And in the format that has been the most heavily policed/banned Wizards is suddenly going to open itself up to 10 fetch lands, particularly when MM avoid the fetch land base all together.
Because they need to be. They're not considered "too good." It took 7 years to get enemy fetches. They're not off limits, they just don't like all the shuffling that goes along with them, and so they don't want them around often. (Notice how there's very few shuffle effects in Standard right now? They contribute to rounds taking longer.)
Was looking at a recent rumor about Born of the Gods making a sort of spiritual successor to Dark Confidant and my friends talked about how a card of that nature would be almost broken in the current format if ran with Thassa. By turn three, you have an almost efficient scry machine that if played correctly gives you almost complete control of your top deck. Throw in some other stuff like Omenspeaker, Dissolve, Pilfered Plans, Read the Bones, etc. and nobody is leaving FNM happy anymore.
Speaking of FNM, I was one win away from Top 8 for the first time with my Esper deck, but I lost to the most basic Gruul deck ever due to mana flooding. I almost wanted to flip the table , but the guy felt sorry for me and gave me a Nykthos as a symbol of friendship. I couldn't stay mad after that.
MaRo mentioned Sylvan Library could be done in UB nowadays, which seems to hint at the rumored card. (Scry, then Confidant every turn?)
Yeah, that's the theory. Sylvan Library is a little better due to you only having to pay 4 life per card as opposed to Confidant where you lose life equal to its CMC and is required. The scry from Thassa or Omenspeaker would offset that.
GamerKingFaiz
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divisionbyzorro
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The main argument against putting them in core set is that you're spending ten rare slots on a card that confuses new players. How do I explain that a land that makes me lose one life for a single effect just to go grab a land from my deck (and they're only thinking about basics at this point) is actually really, really good?
And they're not reluctant to print the other fetches. It's actually really warping on deck construction that you can only use half of the color pairs for fetchlands. They just haven't had the right set to print them in, and modern hasn't been a format long enough to have a serious impact on their long-term design and development schedule.
I would have eaten 5 $1 bills. I had a pair of concert tickets for this Saturday that I bought for $116. I can't go and put my tickets on sale for Craigslist where 3 people bid until the price reached $260. I'm tempted to take $100 of the money and buy a Ravnica or Theros box and try to make some more money from the possible money cards. Good idea or just save the money for now?
Unban Survival plox. Getting swarmed by Vengevines is much more funnier than just staring down unremovable merfolks that kick you in the nuts.
And maybe we'll switch a bit away from blue. TNN is making absolutely everything blue, just when DRS gave us a nice lineup of good non-blue decks in Legacy. Sigh.
And maybe we'll switch a bit away from blue. TNN is making absolutely everything blue, just when DRS gave us a nice lineup of good non-blue decks in Legacy. Sigh.
It's only natural. Blue IS the master colour.
That said, TNN basically created a new archetype by itself in cube: blue/x aggro. Slap a sword on it and enjoy a swift death. It's a bit ridiculous, really. I already won one queue with it. White is a good supporting colour as nobody really wants the weenies and you can pick up some powerful cards like Armageddon if you're lucky. I imagine black and red can also fit in quite nicely with blue. Maybe green if you happen to get accelerators, sylvan library, trygon predator, plow under, thrun and other nonsense.
tl;dr TNN is GOAT
That said, TNN basically created a new archetype by itself in cube: blue/x aggro. Slap a sword on it and enjoy a swift death. It's a bit ridiculous, really. I already won one queue with it. White is a good supporting colour as nobody really wants the weenies and you can pick up some powerful cards like Armageddon if you're lucky. I imagine black and red can also fit in quite nicely with blue. Maybe green if you happen to get accelerators, sylvan library, trygon predator, plow under, thrun and other nonsense.
tl;dr TNN is GOAT
Actually, a UW True Name-ageddon deck might not be the worst idea.
I know you're talking specifically about the MODO Cube but in general, blue based tempo has been a viable strategy in most Cubes that care to support it for a while. TNN, Thassa, Master of Waves and Duskmantle Seer are all cards printed in the last year that do much to bolster this archetype though.
Not sure how good Thassa is in cube, but I do know Wakethrasher is a beating but is prone to draw removal. TNN doesn't have that problem fortunately.
Usually, drafting blue in powered cube means drafting controlling cards rather than aggressive cards. Sure, Meloku can be aggressive, but it can also be used to stall the board. In the case of Venser Shaper Savant, Glen Elendra Archmage and Sower of Temptation, they present value for a low cost. As you can tell, blue in cube generally misses the 2 and 3 drops that the other colours can provide. TNN fills that hole and is ridiculously hard to stop once it resolves. No control deck wants it, so it's usually up for grabs, until people catch on that is.
Usually, drafting blue in powered cube means drafting controlling cards rather than aggressive cards. Sure, Meloku can be aggressive, but it can also be used to stall the board. In the case of Venser Shaper Savant, Glen Elendra Archmage and Sower of Temptation, they present value for a low cost. As you can tell, blue in cube generally misses the 2 and 3 drops that the other colours can provide. TNN fills that hole and is ridiculously hard to stop once it resolves. No control deck wants it, so it's usually up for grabs, until people catch on that is.
e: As others said, it's a risky jump until the reprints hit the market and it survives a Banned & Restricted List announcement.
Yeah, if they want to ban it it doesn't have to be because it's warping the format.
blindrocket
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The Technomancer
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I can't watch the video, RtR or original Ravnica? Because hell, I would eat as many dollar bills as someone asked for a box of original Ravnica
GamerKingFaiz
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RtR, I don't think any shop would just give away a box of Ravnica for a kid eating a dollar bill.
BigWeather
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About how much is reasonable for three booster boxes, one each of the Innistrad block? eBay is showing $125 to $150 a box -- seems a bit high?
BigWeather
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I'm thinking about selling them. =)
Got 'em, never got around to playing much during that block so still have them unopened. I guess I could wait a bit if they are still going up, however.
Got 'em, never got around to playing much during that block so still have them unopened. I guess I could wait a bit if they are still going up, however.
blindrocket
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I saw this for Born of the Gods... just a spoiler rumor I guess.
So not nearly as consistent as Bob, but still neat. Restoration Angel would go nicely with it.
So not nearly as consistent as Bob, but still neat. Restoration Angel would go nicely with it.
That was one someone made up.
blindrocket
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I looked into it more.
There was a riddle that apparently alludes to a BNG card...
There was a riddle that apparently alludes to a BNG card...
I managed not to totally waste my money on Holiday Cube by winning two matches so far. So I can do another one at least. Yay! Paying five bucks each for two drafts seems acceptable. This is what I got:
I was originally hoping for some sort of reanimator thing since I had Entomb and Animate Dead but the ramp into it instead strategy seemed better and more open. Admittedly the lack of big green things to ramp into is slightly awkward. But Polukranos and Silverheart on early turns have been pretty effective. Especially against the poor red deck in Round Two.
I won the first match against a deck that had a turn where it Time Spiraled, Time Twistered, Wheel of Fortuned and a bunch of other nonsense only to end up doing nothing. But it sure was impressive. Then on the next turn MTGO bugged and he couldn't pay for one of the two Slaughter Pacts he cast for some reason. I felt slightly bad about this, but he wouldn't have had time to finish the third game anyway.
And yeah, beta client. It was what I had downloaded on my parent's laptop at some point when it was the only option and I just wanted to play.
I was originally hoping for some sort of reanimator thing since I had Entomb and Animate Dead but the ramp into it instead strategy seemed better and more open. Admittedly the lack of big green things to ramp into is slightly awkward. But Polukranos and Silverheart on early turns have been pretty effective. Especially against the poor red deck in Round Two.
I won the first match against a deck that had a turn where it Time Spiraled, Time Twistered, Wheel of Fortuned and a bunch of other nonsense only to end up doing nothing. But it sure was impressive. Then on the next turn MTGO bugged and he couldn't pay for one of the two Slaughter Pacts he cast for some reason. I felt slightly bad about this, but he wouldn't have had time to finish the third game anyway.
And yeah, beta client. It was what I had downloaded on my parent's laptop at some point when it was the only option and I just wanted to play.
lol Told you guys. I, for one, welcome our new top deck game overlords.
Epic...
blindrocket
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I'd say it hints at Dark Confidant for sure. Perhaps Inspiration.
No pain no gain just makes me think of a Dark Confidant effect where you lose life to gain something.
blindrocket
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I originally saw a discussion on twitter, and after doing some google searches I found this:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=572631
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=572631
blindrocket
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Maybe when they invent digital paper or something.....
BigWeather
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That looks incredible -- where is it from?
On Cheon's cube stream he had Tamiyo emblem and was getting his opponent with recurring Avalanche Riders while having FoW and 2 blue cards including an Intuition which was basically a triple tutor. Pretty ridiculous position.
Then he almost lost when his opponent played out his hand of mana artifacts into a Bloodbraid Elf which hit Brain Storm with storm count 6 lol. Only reason he didn't lose is the multiple Force of Wills on half the copies. He then had a hand of like 15 cards and won next turn with Recurring Nightmare for Inferno Titan.
Some crazy stuff happens in Cube, I did to get in on some of the local ones.
Then he almost lost when his opponent played out his hand of mana artifacts into a Bloodbraid Elf which hit Brain Storm with storm count 6 lol. Only reason he didn't lose is the multiple Force of Wills on half the copies. He then had a hand of like 15 cards and won next turn with Recurring Nightmare for Inferno Titan.
Some crazy stuff happens in Cube, I did to get in on some of the local ones.
blindrocket
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I saw it posted on tumblr. I'm not sure of the actual source though.
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