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[OnPoint]

What does a t2 living end accomplish? Kill a creature and put a 4/4 dork and maybe a 3/4 into play? That or the living end player has to have the nuts draw of land, land, cascade, ssg and one cycler, drawing multiple street wraiths in the process or more ssgs and cyclers. Truly a christmasland scenario. (Maybe I'm missing something.)

Do you mean Goryo's Vengeance or Through the Breach?

I think he means the deck as a whole.

 

[brainzelda]

cool?

 

[Haly]

It's been posted here. Most of us feel she sucks.

3UG
Kiora, the Crashing Wave
+2: Look at the top three cards of your library. You may reveal a creature or land card there and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in any order.
-3: Put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
-8: All lands target player controls become Islands. Creatures that player controls can't attack unless they have flying, islandwalk, or power 6 or greater.
Loyalty 3

Hnnnnnnnng

2UG
Kiora, the Crashing Wave
+1: Each creature target opponent controls can't attack you or Kiora during his or her next turn unless he or she pays U or 2 for each of those creatures.
-2: Draw a card. You may play an additional land this turn.
-6: Search your library for up to three blue creatures without flying, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.
Loyalty 3

Would've taken this.

 

[OnPoint]

With several small tweaks, she could have been so much better.

What a disappointment.

 

[ultron87]

She'll make Maze's End shine.

No she won't.

 

[OnPoint]

She'll make Maze's End shine.

No she won't.

Oh no.

Turbo Fog Maze's End Kiora will be a janky deck somewhere. I know it.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I've been heavily arguing for this one. It does nothing but enable stupid T2/T3 nutdraws from decks like Living End or Goryo's Breach. (I also think DRS and Splinter Twin are both cards the format would be better off without.)

I love alternate cost cards.

 

[Karakand]

-8: All lands target player controls become Islands. Creatures that player controls can't attack unless they have flying, islandwalk, or power 6 or greater.

Hnnnnnnnng

Islandhome is back (beat) in pog form.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

The tension between making planeswalkers awesome because they're, well, planeswalkers, and making them overpowered is really challenging, I agree. But again - I really think they erred too far on the side of caution here. Or perhaps it was deliberate. From the first paragraph:

It's okay if a Planeswalker doesn't make a huge impact in Standard, but it should at least be cool.

From this article:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/281

 

[Firemind]

I eagerly await the next Liliana of the Veil. Hopefully it'll be red this time, but I have a feeling it won't.

 

[OnPoint]

I eagerly await the next Liliana of the Veil. Hopefully it'll be red this time, but I have a feeling it won't.

I was really hoping they would do it for Chandra 4.0. She was an improvement, but not Legacy-playable tier.

In terms of PW power level, I would say Jace TMS and Liliana otV are of comparable power levels, depending on deck and metagame at the time. No other color has a PW that potent. Elspeth 1.0 comes close, but she's a little too expensive to really make it in.

I would have liked Chandra to be something real specialized for mono-red decks but incredibly good for them.

Chandra of the Ember Hall RRR

+ 2: Creatures with flying cannot block creatures without flying this turn
- 1: Deal 3 damage divided as you chose, among up to three target creatures or players
- 7: Deal X damage to target creature or player, where X is the amount of Mountains on the battlefield

2 Loyalty

 

[ultron87]

That design feels more like a Koth to me. He seems like the kind of guy to slam the ground and Falter everything.

I wonder if they'd ever do a PW in a supplemental product. Otherwise they just can't make anything that would break Standard in half.

 

[OnPoint]

That design feels more like a Koth to me. He seems like the kind of guy to slam the ground and Falter everything.

I'd be fine with it, if it were Koth. I just want there to be more balls-out awesome planeswalkers, while giving Jace a rest from being good at the same time.

 

[Firemind]

I was really hoping they would do it for Chandra 4.0. She was an improvement, but not Legacy-playable tier.

In terms of PW power level, I would say Jace TMS and Liliana otV are of comparable power levels, depending on deck and metagame at the time. No other color has a PW that potent. Elspeth 1.0 comes close, but she's a little too expensive to really make it in.

I would have liked Chandra to be something real specialized for mono-red decks but incredibly good for them.

Elspeth is played in the Legacy stax deck, right?

Poor red always gets the shag. No iconic two mana creature and no op pw.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I eagerly await the next Liliana of the Veil. Hopefully it'll be red this time, but I have a feeling it won't.

Blasphemy. You already have Chandra's crazy ass. Let us keep our Black Queen.

 

[OnPoint]

Elspeth is played in the Legacy stax deck, right?

Poor red always gets the shag. No iconic two mana creature and no op pw.

I can't think of the last time I saw a Legacy deck do well with white that wasn't Death&Taxes or some variant on a Stoneforge build.

 

[Firemind]

I remember it played Moat. Maybe it's called Landstill. I'm not well-versed in legacy lingo.

 

[OnPoint]

I remember it played Moat. Maybe it's called Landstill. I'm not well-versed in legacy lingo.

Ah yes, Landstill. I think it's more of a fringe player these days.

 

[y2dvd]

Ouch. A friend's friend got $50k worth of cards stolen. Worst part was that he was parked at a lgs. It leads us to believe the thief knew who he was targeting. I hope the shithead gets caught.

 

[esterk]

cool?

I love me some Simic, but damn if this Walker isn't awkward at 2 loyalty. Can only +1 itself as well, so it's an incredibly vulnerable target at 4 mana. I don't really know where this fits.

I'll still buy 4.

 

[kirblar]

What does a t2 living end accomplish? Kill a creature and put a 4/4 dork and maybe a 3/4 into play? That or the living end player has to have the nuts draw of land, land, cascade, ssg and one cycler, drawing multiple street wraiths in the process or more ssgs and cyclers. Truly a christmasland scenario. (Maybe I'm missing something.)

Do you mean Goryo's Vengeance or Through the Breach?

They're both played in the same deck.

It's not T2 living end. It's T2 Fulminator Mage into T3 living end.

 

[The Technomancer]

Sorry I'm missing something, how do you play Living End on turn 2 or 3?

 

[Yeef]

I'm guessing via cascade.

 

[The Technomancer]

I'm guessing via cascade.

Huh, I wasn't aware the suspend only cards had CMC

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Yep. Demonic Dread and/or Violent Outburst. The deck doesn't run any 1 or 2 drops (Dismember is 3CC from the board, and all of the creatures have cycling for 1, so that's what you're doing with your mana) and you always hit Living End.

Huh, I wasn't aware the suspend only cards had CMC

Yep. CMC = 0.

 

[kirblar]

Sorry I'm missing something, how do you play Living End on turn 2 or 3?

And you call yourself a scientician..

 

[The Technomancer]

Huh, me misinterpreting the ruling "this card has no mana cost" as meaning it also doesn't have a CMC to care about

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Huh, me misinterpreting the ruling "this card has no mana cost" as meaning it also doesn't have a CMC to care about

It's a bizarre interaction. I agree that it makes little sense that you can cascade into Living End but can't Snapcaster an Ancestral Vision (sure it's clear in the rules, but it doesn't intuit well).

 

[kirblar]

Huh, me misinterpreting the ruling "this card has no mana cost" as meaning it also doesn't have a CMC to care about

CMC = 0. But if you try to snapcaster it, there's no mana cost to use.

I'd gladly trade Living End for Living Death in Modern.

 

[Firemind]

You can also hit Boom // Bust with cascade and cast Bust.

 

[kirblar]

You can also hit Boom // Bust with cascade and cast Bust.

Bloodbraid into B/B alllmost got me to the PT. (Bloodbraid into Vengevine finally did it.)

 

[bigkrev]

Um
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/news/281

This is certainly something

 

[esterk]

Um
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/news/281

This is certainly something

Interesting partnership, albeit kind of random. I know JTMS is super iconic now, but I would have liked to see some exclusive new art for this instead.

 

[OnPoint]

Is it tournament legal?

 

[ultron87]

Someone is going to have the bling-est tokens to use.

 

[Firemind]

Bloodbraid into B/B alllmost got me to the PT. (Bloodbraid into Vengevine finally did it.)

Oh man, don't remind me. Wish I played Punishing RUG in the very last Extended PT. Instead I picked Ad Nauseum and got embarrassed by a field of Dorans.

At least I got to beat Tom Ross's arse.

 

[kirblar]

Oh man, don't remind me. Wish I played Punishing RUG in the very last Extended PT. Instead I picked Ad Nauseum and got embarrassed by a field of Dorans.

At least I got to beat Tom Ross's arse.

You were at Amsterdam too? I played Doran but...did not play well, lol.

Ad Nauseum was an awful deck, lol.

 

[Firemind]

You were at Amsterdam too? I played Doran but...did not play well, lol.

Ad Nauseum was an awful deck, lol.

yeah, it was only a half an hour drive so I thought why not.

Ad nauseum was really good in our testing but maybe I got lucky. :lol

one of my mates ran ad nauseum and got t16 iirc.

after that I vowed never to play combo in a serious tournament ever again.

 

[kirblar]

yeah, it was only a half an hour drive so I thought why not.

Ad nauseum was really good in our testing but maybe I got lucky. :lol

one of my mates ran ad nauseum and got t16 iirc.

after that I vowed never to play combo in a serious tournament ever again.

Combo is fine but it needs to be really degenerate with ways to protect itself. Aluren got me my first PTQ T8.

 

[Firemind]

My most vivid memory is when I got paired to Shuhei Nakamura to stay in contention for day two. When I got outplayed like a fool (he bounced one of my vivid lands with cryptic, which prevented me from tapping white with reflecting pool to cast angel's grace), I knew pros were on an entirely different level.

 

[blindrocket]

Will the Modern Event Deck have a limited print run or will it be more like the commander decks? If so, how limited will the print run be?

Mark Rosewater: It does not have a limited print run. We are willing to reprint them if there is demand.

That's good. Whatever rares are in that deck, it may be wise to sell them ASAP.

 

[ultron87]

That just makes me think there isn't anything that great in the deck.

Look, a spoiler! http://i.imgur.com/iapTjrM.jpg

"Nefarious Burn" 1RRR Instant
[cardname] deals 5 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If it is your turn, scry 2.

 

[kirblar]

This seems like it was designed to kill Obzedat and only Obzedat.

 

[Firemind]

Almost a Cryptic Command!

 

[ultron87]

I didn't realize till now how many Planeswalkers in Standard go to 5 loyalty if they plus on their first turn. 9 out of 13.

 

[esterk]

This seems like it was designed to kill Obzedat and only Obzedat.

I can't think of any other application, really. It's not like other burn spells CAN'T hit Walkers.

 

[y2dvd]

Why doesn't it deals 6 to kill Desecration Demon?

 

[blindrocket]

Why doesn't it deals 6 to kill Desecration Demon?

While not a mono red card, Demon can die to Dreadbore.

 

[Lucario]

I used to run young pyromancer in the sideboard of mono-red to side in when I saw desecration demons

Was probably terrible (I am bad at this standard format), but it was pretty damn fun.

 

[f0rk]

I went 3-1 with BR aggro at FNM. Lost to Prime Speaker Bant which is an awful matchup with main deck Centaur Healers. Felt good against another Bant list though, apparently it was Reid Dukes list.
There are so many dodgy tapped land mana bases in this format it's not hard to exploit them.

I don't think I ever wanted Tyramet though unfortunately.