Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I miss good ol' Mishra's Factory.
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I miss good ol' Mishra's Factory.
Lazy vs Crazy
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Try watching some MTGO streamers on Twitch. You can learn a ton (both of what to do and what not to do).
http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Magic: The Gathering
I think Stalking Stones is the only manland I don't find insufferable. Bad design (in general).
If I have to pick a creature type for something though, assembly-worker is one of my top choices.
divisionbyzorro
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In general, lands that do things beyond providing mana are very strong. It's harder than it appears to make utility lands appropriately balanced. See the Innistrad utility land cycle for example; you can tell which few they were afraid of and nerfed hard into the ground, and others that they didn't respect enough.
styl3s
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Holy shit NM unlimited dual lands go for $150-250+ these days? I regret selling off my collection back in 2000-2001. Back when Tempest came out i think i paid lie $25-30 a land when building a sliver deck. Looking up all the cards i used to own just depressing the fucking shit out of me. And the price on these borderless lands.. I had 25 of each..
I will never sell my magic cards ever again.
I will never sell my magic cards ever again.
It's still better in some cases, but yeah, they should bring that back. I'd honestly really love another Dominaria-based block. It's time already.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell, the only difference in Standard is that Mutavault is oppressive as fuck in mono black matchups due to Pack Rat.
I mean, yeah that's a big part of it. It's also a threat that mostly dodges sorcery speed removal, especially board wipes, so it's super useful in control decks.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's kind of what I was thinking. The idea isn't that bad, but having it pull up all sorts of tribals is kind of fucked when you have a card like Pack Rat that can abuse the fuck out of it.
I really hate the temporality of the (in)famous manlands, especially with land destruction phased out of the game so completely over the years. Stalking Stones or Zoetic Cavern (I guess) make you commit to turning the land into a creature instead of dicking around with an activated state as necessary.
divisionbyzorro
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So I just realized that WotC is upping the prize structure on pre-release drafts slightly. They still cost 15 tickets (no pack buy-in, and one ticket more than usual), but now first place (in either Swiss or 8-4) gets an extra pack. That's kinda nice I guess; it takes a little bit of the sting out of the added expense of pre-release drafting.
After playing against modern storm so many times it makes me wonder why this deck doesn't do better in tournaments. It seems pretty easy to pilot. Actually seems hard to lose when you can draw your deck, cast all the rituals, and grapeshots.
Legacy storm decks though... the hate needed to be fought through is a lot more impressive than Remand.
Legacy storm decks though... the hate needed to be fought through is a lot more impressive than Remand.
At the same time I've lost because they went off on turn 4 off of 2 lands after I killed an Electromancer and countered a Ascension.
That seems very difficult with all the digging it does. Also, like f0rk said, if they're able to cast a ritual they're able to win.
divisionbyzorro
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Because it loses to itself a not-insignificant amount of the time. When Seething Song was legal, you're right: the deck was a breeze to pilot (I miss those days when I could Epic Experiment for 15 on turn three). Now, the deck relies heavily on getting an active Ascension and often can't win fast enough if something happens to it or it can't find it quick enough.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Maybe I'm just crazy, but lifelink is way too good of an ability.
You're not. It's probably the single most powerful keyword ability. It has to be watched closely.
Having 8 engine spells and tons of cantrips makes it pretty reliable though. I just don't see how it got a reputation as a difficult deck to pilot.
Because the matchups are weird and the margins are slim.
divisionbyzorro
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It's not difficult at all to get a respectable win % with it. It's very difficult to regularly make the top tables in a large tournament with it.
I think you mean Storm.
Lifelink is evergreen.
Storm is considered a mistake and will very likely never be printed again.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I bet bigkrev wishes he had hexproof now.
I thought we were talking about keywords not evergreen keywords?
Even in that subset I wouldn't agree that it's the most powerful keyword ability.
Too soon.
divisionbyzorro
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It's dangerous to wander outside of this thread these days.
"God's Beard!"
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haste
I thought we were talking about keywords that had to be watched? If so, Storm doesn't have to be watched, because outside of sets like Commander and other products like that I don't think it's ever coming back.
What is your take on the potentially most dangerous evergreen ability? I feel like Lifelink is probably the one that could cause the most of a headache.
"God's Beard!"
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Yeah, just B-Light and Deicide, unless you're going ham with true Esper and want to play Silence the Believers as a 1-2 of.
Considering that setting up rules and then breaking them was part of Richard Garfield's original intentions for Magic, I don't see how that's a problem.
Considering that setting up rules and then breaking them was part of Richard Garfield's original intentions for Magic, I don't see how that's a problem.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I don't see how it's anything else. Lifelink is powerful, sure, but hexproof created a new archetype. Ain't nobody making a Modern Lifelink deck.
"God's Beard!"
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Yay, LSV agrees with me that Athreos is bad in Grimace's deck ^_^
http://www.channelfireball.com/home...ructed-review-green-gold-artifacts-and-lands/
Interesting that he put Prophetic Flamespeaker as the card to watch, I wonder how crazy he's going to get.
http://www.channelfireball.com/home...ructed-review-green-gold-artifacts-and-lands/
Interesting that he put Prophetic Flamespeaker as the card to watch, I wonder how crazy he's going to get.
ThLunarian
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Heh... well, there is Soul Sisters. That's pretty close to a life link deck
keeblerdrow
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I'm currently trying to wrangle a play set of flamespeaker while he's $8. I think he's got some good applications now and will probably see a value increase at rotation. He's a 4-of in any deck that wants him and is a mythic in a small set. He's not voice of resurgence broken, but he's got the markings of an easy $15 mythic if he starts showing up in top 8s.
I'm hopping to run a UWR control/superfriends this weekend and giving a big red deck featuring him to my girlfriend to play.
I'm hopping to run a UWR control/superfriends this weekend and giving a big red deck featuring him to my girlfriend to play.
I still say he belongs in a UR deck with Thassa.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Flamespeaker is an undeniably good card without a deck. He has the same problem Athreos does, except he's $8.
"God's Beard!"
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Athreos' problem is that he's in colors that already have plenty of three drops that actually do things.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";110840884]Athreos' problem is that he's in colors that already have plenty of three drops that actually do things.[/QUOTE]
Athreos does things too. He just isn't a win condition by himself. Besides, it only takes Athreos, Obzedat and any other card in his colors to turn Athreos on.
Let's stick with the context of Orzhov midrange here - what three-drop are you saying is better than Athreos to the point you'd remove Athreos from the deck to play instead?
Athreos does things too. He just isn't a win condition by himself. Besides, it only takes Athreos, Obzedat and any other card in his colors to turn Athreos on.
Let's stick with the context of Orzhov midrange here - what three-drop are you saying is better than Athreos to the point you'd remove Athreos from the deck to play instead?
"God's Beard!"
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playing any card that doesn't progress your board state or game plan with the goal of playing better cards so it can swing for five is the definition of win more. Athreos has zero synergy with obzedat.
edit in an obzedat shell lifebane zombie and brimaz are both better because they synergize with the whip extremely well and zombie strips blood barons while brimaz bricks early aggro
edit in an obzedat shell lifebane zombie and brimaz are both better because they synergize with the whip extremely well and zombie strips blood barons while brimaz bricks early aggro
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";110842363]playing any card that doesn't progress your board state or game plan with the goal of playing better cards so it can swing for five is the definition of win more. Athreos has zero synergy with obzedat.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but you don't run Athreos as a four-of anyways, you can run other three-drops and you're operating under the assumption none of your creatures ever dies and that the life payment is irrelevant. Except it isn't.
Okay, but you don't run Athreos as a four-of anyways, you can run other three-drops and you're operating under the assumption none of your creatures ever dies and that the life payment is irrelevant. Except it isn't.
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