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[ultron87]

Oh, well that +1 sure doesn't do much at all.

The gryff is pretty cool though.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

This Jace is what happens when you take Jace 2.0, and remove everything good about him. I mean, the similarities are astonishing.

This is Jace, The Castrated Mind Sculptor.

I think the word you're looking for is lobotomized

 

[SigmasonicX]

Constricting Sliver 5W
Slivers you control have "Whenever this creature enters the battlefield, exile target creature an opponent controls until this creature leaves the battlefield."
3/3

Well, Doug Beyer's tumblr did say that there would still be some new-style slivers. In any case, what I was hoping from this uncommon cycle of slivers was weird effects that weren't just keyword abilities, and it looks like we're getting precisely that, so I'm happy.

Also, concerning Hushwing Gryff, it's nice that we're getting a gryff card after we didn't actually get any in Avacyn Restored. Interesting that they're Hippogriffs.

Also, nice to see a Jace that doesn't look super powerful, but do remember that everyone said the same thing about Architect of Thought.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

I think the word you're looking for is lobotomized

Perfect.

 

[bigkrev]

Also, nice to see a Jace that doesn't look super powerful, but do remember that everyone said the same thing about Architect of Thought.

I dunno, Kirblar and I thought it was quite good

 

[OnPoint]

Terrible.

1. I called the LSV troll. I know we still got Jace. But I called it.

2. This card is weird. I don't quite know how to evaluate it. It's a very different kind of Jace, and blue putting something into the graveyard seems... oddly placed.

3. It's going to look fucking awesome in foil.

 

[ultron87]

Ha, he wasn't trolling though. Just had the rare double preview: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/top-decks/ode-jace-2014-06-27 Though somewhat amusingly the picture of Jace on the site isn't even working for me.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

I wonder how much the new Ajani is affecting their designs.

T4: Ajani, +1
T5: Jace +1, Ajani -2
T6: Ajani -2, Jace Ultimate

 

[Sinatar]

They should have just reprinted Architect of Thought. Yuck.

 

[kirblar]

They should have just reprinted Architect of Thought. Yuck.

That card is too good, lol.

 

["God's Beard!"]

:-(

Control is dead.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Since some people here were upset when Maro said Liliana of the Veil was too strong for Standard:

justaskingmaro said: I was really surprised to read you considered Liliana of the Veil to be too powerful for standard. She was just in Standard! And she didn't seem too powerful to me, just expensive ($). I'm curious, are there any cards in standard right now you think is too powerful for standard?

Let me clarify. Development believes it is too powerful for the current Standard in which monoblack is so dominant.

 

[y2dvd]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";118452191]:-(

Control is dead.[/QUOTE]

Everyone bitched about it but now that it's gone, people don't know they had a good thing.

 

[Haly]

I dunno, Kirblar and I thought it was quite good

Almost all of us flipped out at mini-FoF.

Good times.

 

[kirblar]

Since some people here were upset when Maro said Liliana of the Veil was too strong for Standard:

*Flexes mind muscle*

BUG Control is like the only deck in Theros block, lol. So no, it is not dead. Ashiok is still quite nutty.

 

[Crocodile]

Since some people here were upset when Maro said Liliana of the Veil was too strong for Standard:

Anyone with half a brain figured out this was the reason LOL

That card is too good, lol.

What makes it "too good" as opposed to "very good". I feel people (not necessarily you) apply "too good" or "broken" to any card that puts up good results in a format. Jace 4.0 was obviously a card Wizards intentionally pushed to be a good in T2 (and occasionally Modern) but nothing about the card or how it has played out in T2 crosses the threshold into "mistake" IMO.

 

[Exokell]

Haha. Remember when people where dissapointed with architect of thought? He wins guildpact and becomes shitty. Like nissa, hope garruk wont disappoint

 

[divisionbyzorro]

What makes it "too good" as opposed to "very good". I feel people (not necessarily you) apply "too good" or "broken" to any card that puts up good results in a format. Jace 4.0 was obviously a card Wizards intentionally pushed to be a good in T2 (and occasionally Modern) but nothing about the card or how it has played out in T2 crosses the threshold into "mistake" IMO.

I think he just means that it's had its run and we'd rather not have to play with it for another year.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Since some people here were upset when Maro said Liliana of the Veil was too strong for Standard:

What this means to me is that she will be in M16, she's only not in M15 because monoblack is "too good."

Anyone with half a brain figured out this was the reason LOL



What makes it "too good" as opposed to "very good". I feel people (not necessarily you) apply "too good" or "broken" to any card that puts up good results in a format. Jace 4.0 was obviously a card Wizards intentionally pushed to be a good in T2 (and occasionally Modern) but nothing about the card or how it has played out in T2 crosses the threshold into "mistake" IMO.

Jace AOT and Elspeth, Sun's Champion are my favorite PW cards they've done because they're excellent cards without being obnoxious and gamebreaking.

 

[kirblar]

I think Jace led to things like the hyper-obnoxious mono-red deck, because they had to push these weenie decks hard in a format where there's a torpor orb that brainstorms into a Wrath when you untap.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Obviously this card that sees play in multiple formats is bad because it dies to Hero's Downfall.

 

[Haly]

"New Jace is shit, dies to Downfall"

 

[divisionbyzorro]

I think Jace led to things like the hyper-obnoxious mono-red deck, because they had to push these weenie decks hard in a format where there's a torpor orb that brainstorms into a Wrath when you untap.

Cumber Stone?

 

[kirblar]

Cumber Stone?

Yeah thats what i meant.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

So Brian Wong is articulating exactly why I hate Vintage Masters on the latest episode of LR. It's really good to hear someone with a respected voice in the community finally start making it clear that the format actually isn't that good.

 

[Crocodile]

I think he just means that it's had its run and we'd rather not have to play with it for another year.

Oh I agree with that sentiment - the card had it's time in the sun, time to move on. That's different than the card being "too good" though. That the card influenced the metagame/development in a way he wasn't a fan of is a fair point (but is also different than "too good" IMO).

So Brian Wong is articulating exactly why I hate Vintage Masters on the latest episode of LR. It's really good to hear someone with a respected voice in the community finally start making it clear that the format actually isn't that good.

Just from watching some streams, it seemed to get "solved" pretty fast. The gameplay in most of the games is pretty good though from what I've seen. I'm curious to what Wong had to say overall though but then again I was going to listen to this episode regardless

 

[Angry Grimace]

I honestly don't quite get how anyone could play Monoblack Devotion and/or Esper/Azorius Control and feel proud of themselves or happy with the deck. Its so fucking generic. Wow, you played Sphinx's Revelation at the end of the turn. Such a surprising, intelligent play. Seriously, there's practically no variation in any of the decks right down to slavishly copying that guy that splashed green for Abrupt Decay.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I honestly don't quite get how anyone could play Monoblack Devotion and/or Esper/Azorius Control and feel proud of themselves or happy with the deck. Its so fucking generic. Wow, you played Sphinx's Revelation at the end of the turn. Such a surprising, intelligent play. Seriously, there's practically no variation in any of the decks right down to slavishly copying that guy that splashed green for Abrupt Decay.

Speaking of mindless, I proxied up my old Mythic Conscription deck. Goddamn it's so nutty sometimes.

1. Play Land ->Bird/Hierarch
2. Play Lotus Cobra -> Play & Crack Fetch -> Play Geist of St. Traft
3. Play & Crack Fetch -> Play Sovereigns -> Swing with Geist for 17+ ggs

 

[divisionbyzorro]

I honestly don't quite get how anyone could play Monoblack Devotion and/or Esper/Azorius Control and feel proud of themselves or happy with the deck. Its so fucking generic. Wow, you played Sphinx's Revelation at the end of the turn. Such a surprising, intelligent play. Seriously, there's practically no variation in any of the decks right down to slavishly copying that guy that splashed green for Abrupt Decay.

If you want to win, you aren't concerned about expressing your own creativity. If it works, you do it.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Also, Forcing people's Paths to Exile with Knight of the Reliquary and Sejiri Steppe is absolute comedy.

 

[WanderingWind]

I honestly don't quite get how anyone could play Monoblack Devotion and/or Esper/Azorius Control and feel proud of themselves or happy with the deck. Its so fucking generic. Wow, you played Sphinx's Revelation at the end of the turn. Such a surprising, intelligent play. Seriously, there's practically no variation in any of the decks right down to slavishly copying that guy that splashed green for Abrupt Decay.

I don't understand this one at all. We supposed to not feel good about winning with the tools that are available?

Nah, I feel pretty good being able to answer their cards with mine.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I don't understand this one at all. We supposed to not feel good about winning with the tools that are available?

Nah, I feel pretty good being able to answer their cards with mine.

Are you suggesting I'm just salty about playing that same goddamn deck every fucking tournament? Because that's wrong. Totally wrong. No shred of truth to that at all.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Actually, Ajani Steadfast might be better than Elspeth Knight-Errant in Mythic Conscription. Vigilance is super relevant.

 

[WanderingWind]

Are you suggesting I'm just salty about playing that same goddamn deck every fucking tournament? Because that's wrong. Totally wrong. No shred of truth to that at all.

Ahahahahaha

 

[Haly]

Is this the Hearthstone thread?

Are we really at the point of talking about "netdecking"?

 

[WanderingWind]

This is a safe thread. Sometimes you just gotta vent about some shit. Lol

 

[Haly]

This is my card game safe thread, yes.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I think its kind of funny I picked up all of the Power 9 to play Vintage, but I haven't gotten the deck completely together because I don't want to buy fetchlands.

 

["God's Beard!"]

In case anybody's interested in a blast from the past, here's my streamlined version of Mythic Conscription:

Creatures(24)

• 4 Birds of Paradise
• 4 Noble Hierarch
• 4 Lotus Cobra
• 4 Knight of the Reliquary
• 4 Geist of Saint Traft
• 4 Sovereigns of Lost Alara

Instants/Sorceries(9)

• 4 Explore
• 4 Mana Leak
• 2 Remand

Other(2)

• 2 Eldrazi Conscription

Land(24)

• 3 Forest
• 2 Island
• 2 Plains
• 4 Misty Rainforest
• 2 Verdant Catacombs
• 2 Marsh Flats
• 3 Breeding Pool
• 2 Temple Garden
• 2 Hallowed Fountain
• 1 Stirring Wildwood
• 1 Sejiri Steppe

Just cut out all the crap to make it super efficient. The original Mythic Conscription existed in a modern era without strong control, and now UWR is a premiere deck. I cut all but two of the taplands, all the planeswalkers and just shoved the mana curve down and increased redundancy as much as possible. One of the problems I was having with walkers is that you can't cast them off a turn two Lotus Cobra. Geist is just always better. Explore and Remand are the worst cards here, so it's possible to bring back Elspeth/Ajani based on your comfort levels. If you do, I recommend cutting the remands for two walkers, and the 4th Explore for a Bant Charm.

Live the dream, kids! Turn 3 annihilator two trigger:

1. Play Land ->Bird/Hierarch
2. Play Lotus Cobra -> Play Fetch
3. Play Lotus Cobra, Crack Fetch, Play & Crack Fetch -> hard cast Eldrazi Conscription like a motherfucker

 

[f0rk]

It's pretty funny that the only Modern playable cards they have been printing recently are hate enchantments/artifacts on a body. Will probably play that 2/1 in my sideboard over Torpor Orb.

 

[Reishiki]

Reading this thread makes me feel casual as fuck.

 

[Firemind]

rip in peace pws

 

[acheron_xl]

Reading this thread makes me feel casual as fuck.

One does get the impression that if you're not into sanctioned play, you might as well be masturbating in a corner somewhere.

 

[WanderingWind]

One does get the impression that if you're not into sanctioned play, you might as well be masturbating in a corner somewhere.

Can't you do both?

 

[f0rk]

What if Threshold is a returning mechanic, Jace might be OK then

 

[Zocano]

I honestly don't quite get how anyone could play Monoblack Devotion and/or Esper/Azorius Control and feel proud of themselves or happy with the deck. Its so fucking generic. Wow, you played Sphinx's Revelation at the end of the turn. Such a surprising, intelligent play. Seriously, there's practically no variation in any of the decks right down to slavishly copying that guy that splashed green for Abrupt Decay.

I like parts of what MonoBlack had when Theros first came out. I haven't kept up with Standard since BotG but Whip and Pack Rat mechanics were really fun, interesting, and could get you out of a pinch if the cards fell in the right order.

edit: Again, I'll note I love Black's general playstyle and I also think Waste Not is a neat card. I like discard-focused decks ):

 

[Firemind]

But mystic enforcer is multicoloured.

 

[acheron_xl]

Can't you do both?

Probably only in formats where there's a viable combo deck.

 

[Jarate]

I havent been reading about magic recently, but whats the next set lore going to be

Wasnt super interested in Theros, but may come back if the next set is good

 

[WanderingWind]

Probably only in formats where there's a viable combo deck.

F6