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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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*changes only the mana on lands that don't tap for <>.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nothing you do can make this card not dumb broken dude lol
I think it's an interesting idea and changes the way you play in the match. Sure it could use a bit more changes to make it not aggravating, but the idea is to punish those who play with nonbasic lands like Blood Moon does.
Being that it's a land and uncounterable there should be more stipulations on what it does sure, but the idea is there.
Perhaps instead of just straight up doing it, making it a cost -> effect thing?
Being that it's a land and uncounterable there should be more stipulations on what it does sure, but the idea is there.
Perhaps instead of just straight up doing it, making it a cost -> effect thing?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Sure, it's interesting. But as Grimace said, there just isn't any way to make this land even remotely feasible. It's basically "pay nothing, lock down the game unless you're playing affinity or straight mono-red."
The effect would have to be on an enchantment. There is no way that effect can exist on a land and not be entirely broken. Besides, while lands have done enchantmenty things in the past, this is very clearly an enchantment effect. You're trying to not only have your cake and eat it too, but ensure nobody else at the table eating any food besides cake can have a bite to eat, either.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I imagine this sequence was not fun for my opponent:
Me: Attack with Ojutai
Opponent: Valorous Stance
Me: Silumgar's Scorn
Opponent: Stasis Snare!
Me Silumgar's Scorn
*Opponent takes dmg*
Me: Pass the turn.
Opponent's turn, passes
Me: Attack with Ojutai!
Opponent: Secure the Wastes, X=7
Me: Scatter to the Winds
Opponent's turn: Stasis Snare on Ojutai
Me: Silumgar's Scorn.
(Game ends, I reveal last card in hand = Scatter to the Winds)
Me: Attack with Ojutai
Opponent: Valorous Stance
Me: Silumgar's Scorn
Opponent: Stasis Snare!
Me Silumgar's Scorn
*Opponent takes dmg*
Me: Pass the turn.
Opponent's turn, passes
Me: Attack with Ojutai!
Opponent: Secure the Wastes, X=7
Me: Scatter to the Winds
Opponent's turn: Stasis Snare on Ojutai
Me: Silumgar's Scorn.
(Game ends, I reveal last card in hand = Scatter to the Winds)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
not <><>? and aka Silence on a stick.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't understand why there are so. many. esper tokens decks. It's not a very good deck as far as I can tell. Seems okay, but it's not that hard to deal with compared to some of the other decks...
keeblerdrow
Member
Having it on a land is going to be broken. There's nothing you can add to this, short of making the entire thing unplayable that will balance that out. I don't know if you're just not seeing how broken that ability is and then how even more it is on a land. Or are you pulling a Maro and only talking about Standard and Limited, because that's all we design for?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'm not "ensuring" anything, but rather just trying to get a neat effect not usually on a land on a land.
I enjoy making cards, and feedback from you guys is greatly appreciated.
Here's attempt #4.
It's always odd when people put random quotation marks around things. Ensuring is a word and it was properly used. And again, it's an interesting idea, but lands are particularly powerful. There is a reason why effects like this aren't on lands. There is just no getting around the fact that it can come into play turn one and that it can't be countered. You basically made a leyline that can't be destroyed (Ghost Quarter doesn't even hit the other version), can also come into play on turn 2, hoses nearly every single deck and that produces mana. That is a ton of effects for something that doesn't ever have a cost.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You'd have to sacrifice the land itself to make it printable, at which point its a terrible version of Wasteland.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I realize this is literally the opposite of what you were trying to do, but I think it's the kind of card that they could actually print and would be more interesting and less nightmarish.
Sea Gate, Laid to Waste
Legendary Land
All lands have "{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool."
Sea Gate, Laid to Waste
Legendary Land
All lands have "{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool."
A Serious Man
Member
A colorless Urborg is the most likely scenario, it's also the most likely to make MTGO players groan whenever it hits the board.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'd make it.
Sea Gate, Laid to Waste
Legendary Land
Lands you control have "{C}, {T}, Sacrifice this permanent: Put a Basic Land Token named Wastes onto the battlefield tapped and under your control."
{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool.
Alternatively
Legendary Land
Lands you control have "{C}, {T}: This permanent loses all subtypes, abilities, becomes a Basic Land named Wastes and has "{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool."
{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool.
More flavourful and irreversible also broken with Landfall, had to make it tapped so you can't just trigger landfall for each of your lands. Do named tokens work like I assume they do if a card exists with that name?
I made so many edits idk which edit you're referring to xD. I think lands producing the wastes mana in addition to their own would pretty unflavourful when the flavour behind it are changed landscapes and losing their colour.
I also imagine there might be a cycle of waste fetch lands that go something like this.
Wasted Island
Land
Wasted Island comes into play tapped
{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool
{1}, {T}, Sacrifice Wasted Island: Search your library for a Wastes card and put it into play tapped. Shuffle your library.
Sea Gate, Laid to Waste
Legendary Land
Lands you control have "{C}, {T}, Sacrifice this permanent: Put a Basic Land Token named Wastes onto the battlefield tapped and under your control."
{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool.
Alternatively
Legendary Land
Lands you control have "{C}, {T}: This permanent loses all subtypes, abilities, becomes a Basic Land named Wastes and has "{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool."
{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool.
More flavourful and irreversible also broken with Landfall, had to make it tapped so you can't just trigger landfall for each of your lands. Do named tokens work like I assume they do if a card exists with that name?
I made so many edits idk which edit you're referring to xD. I think lands producing the wastes mana in addition to their own would pretty unflavourful when the flavour behind it are changed landscapes and losing their colour.
I also imagine there might be a cycle of waste fetch lands that go something like this.
Wasted Island
Land
Wasted Island comes into play tapped
{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool
{1}, {T}, Sacrifice Wasted Island: Search your library for a Wastes card and put it into play tapped. Shuffle your library.
Royal_Flush
Member
Why would you ever play this? Am I missing something or is it really just to play around land destruction?
Edit: Oh, I see your edit. Didn't think of that.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Wastes isn't a type.
Fine
Do non player upkeeps exist? I get that it's a necessary part of the wording
They can just keep sacrificing the wastes making it pretty pointless.
Fine
Do non player upkeeps exist? I get that it's a necessary part of the wording
They can just keep sacrificing the wastes making it pretty pointless.
So ignore that aspect and talk about the rest of the card lol
Really liked that Bloodghast Leap deck from the Free Red Win videos yesterday, here's my take on it splashing white
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bloodghast-leap-1/
Can't wait to proxy this bad boy up after work!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bloodghast-leap-1/
Can't wait to proxy this bad boy up after work!
I'd put it on a creature.
Horizon Flattener 7<>
Creature - Eldrazi
When you cast Horizon Flattener, until the start of your next turn, if a land would produce mana of any color it produces <> instead.
7/9
Edit: On further thought I'd probably make it only affect lands in play when it was cast, so it isn't a total Silence. That makes the templating way worse though.
Horizon Flattener 7<>
Creature - Eldrazi
When you cast Horizon Flattener, until the start of your next turn, if a land would produce mana of any color it produces <> instead.
7/9
Edit: On further thought I'd probably make it only affect lands in play when it was cast, so it isn't a total Silence. That makes the templating way worse though.
I'm really not sure why you keep trying to put an effect on a land that shouldn't be on a land.
There's no way to make it balance wise without making it utter trash, and there's a reason land cards don't have that sort of effect anymore.
It's got to be an enchantment.
(The enchantment design space is already buffered up thanks to Rosewaters love of artefacts, let's not ruin it even more by putting lands there as well).
There's no way to make it balance wise without making it utter trash, and there's a reason land cards don't have that sort of effect anymore.
It's got to be an enchantment.
(The enchantment design space is already buffered up thanks to Rosewaters love of artefacts, let's not ruin it even more by putting lands there as well).
Because designing broken cards then trying to make them work is a fun mental exercise? I mean, these aren't going anywhere aside from on this page.
Wulfric
Member
The prerelease box design as well as booster arts are available on the mothership now:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/best-2015-and-holiday-treats-2015-12-10
They're too orange, bleh. I don't know if orange is the best color choice if they have a dark green Nissa featured on the booster boxes and fat packs. And every since WotC released the promo images for Oath, I can't help but compare the planeswalkers to the Teen Titans.
Jace = Robin
Gideon = Cyborg
Chandra = Starfire
Nissa = Raven
Ob Nixilis = Beast Boy?? (He looks like a beast, at least.)
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/best-2015-and-holiday-treats-2015-12-10
They're too orange, bleh. I don't know if orange is the best color choice if they have a dark green Nissa featured on the booster boxes and fat packs. And every since WotC released the promo images for Oath, I can't help but compare the planeswalkers to the Teen Titans.
Jace = Robin
Gideon = Cyborg
Chandra = Starfire
Nissa = Raven
Ob Nixilis = Beast Boy?? (He looks like a beast, at least.)
divisionbyzorro
Member
That makes sense. It stops your opponent from casting Seance.
SigmasonicX
Member
Given that the booster pack art has always been of cards, I'm guessing this means that we'll get a card for each character's oath, likely as an enchantment.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I wouldn't be surprised if that's placeholder art.
Where is he even seeing play anymore since Pod left?
I know I have at least 1-2 copies, no idea if I have a full playset, will have to check at home.
Hatebears...?
Wulfric
Member
Kind of like the Awakening/Spark Igniting cards from Origin, right? This art is a little tame for planeswalker cards (and we've already seen Nissa's), but they look right for an "important story event" cycle.
Huh, what's a placeholder? Everything seems pretty finalized packaging wise.
SigmasonicX
Member
I expect he's referring to the art of the planeswalkers making the Pledge of Allegiance. Typically, if they didn't want to reveal the booster pack art, they'd just, you know, not show the art, so I don't believe it's placeholder art. Plus, it does seem like they'd want to emphasize that the planeswalkers are the ones taking the "oath" in question.
Yo, so if I have a Starfield of Nyx out and activated with 5 enchantments and activate the ability of Myth Realized that turns it into a creature with P/T equal to the number of lore counters on it, it should have P/T equal to the number of lore counters on it, right? Like that should override Starfield setting its P/T equal to its CMC, shouldn't it?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I hope Cosi just kills all these dweebs.
SigmasonicX
Member
Yes, a newer power/toughness setting ability will override an older one.
That's what I figured. Guess mtgo is just busted then. What a surprise
If SFM gets unbanned it becomes really interesting in GW
I am really, genuinely hoping for an unbanning for SFM. Great card that should see more play.
According to MTGGoldfish he sees occasional use in the sideboard of Bogles, a lot of use in the sideboard of certain Zoo decks, GW decks, and infrequent use in Elves sideboard. I'm guessing it's a combination of there only being a single printing from before the relatively recent boom period of the game and that whoever is buying it up is expecting Zoo to be a big gainer this Modern season, probably rightly so. Add in the potential, if unlikely, upside of a potential unbanning of SFM and whatever hijinks could ensue it seems like a pretty solid spec move.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
IDK, I think they'd probably want something a little more representative of what's actually in the packs.
I still don't get why Pod was really banned. It feels like it got hit due to being the best response to Delver, which was broken due to Treasure Cruise
all I'm saying is I miss Birthing Pod shenanigans.
Joe Molotov
Member
We'll find out as soon as my payout of $50,000 gets someone to build a deck around him for a GP.
That, and I can see the argument that the better the creatures got, the better Pod would get, so instead of having to limit creature design, they just axed the point at which they intersect.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Toolbox design is kind of dicey since I could beat storm by just having one Eidolon of Rhetoric in the board. But it was pretty fun and relatively easy to play.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with Gaddock Teeg is that the average CMC in Modern is really low to begin with.
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