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[Matriox]

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I love it for limited. It can easily warp how your opponent plays to your advantage.

I really hope this is actually a thing. Seems so good as at least a 1 of in any black deck.

 

[y2dvd]

I'm gonna draft lands in BfZ exclusively at this point.

Battle for Lands

 

[hort]

Am I the only one that thinks its weird that red gets trample instead of green here?

 

[divisionbyzorro]

I really, really hope that's a real card. The one cycle in my cube that I just couldn't complete was the cycle of utility lands. The white one is mediocre (I've alternated between Sejiri Steppe and New Benalia), the red one is pretty good (I've alternated between Teetering Peaks, Barbarian Ring, and Ghitu Encampment), blue and green get real manlands, and black gets...nothing? But if that's real, I'm slamming that into the cube.

 

[Matriox]

Oh shit.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Am I the only one that thinks its weird that red gets trample instead of green here?

not after this

why is it everyone but green gets awesome tokens

 

[Angry Grimace]

MaRo's saying it, but he's telling you what Dev is saying.

The issue is that they're slowing things down in general- wraths are at 5, removal is more expensive, etc. And that means mana dorks are way better in T2 now relative to how they used to be. (And they were still really damn good then.)

....Birds of Paradise? Yeah, grab a set of your favorite art, it's only going to go up, but it'll be sloooooooow. Card has a zillion printings.

Yeah but Dev is obviously dumb if they think Elvish Mystic is ruining Standard

Oh shit.

meh your opponent is in control of how many lands they have

 

[The Technomancer]

Oh shit.

Not quite as oh shit as I thought at first glance. By the time you're dropping a 6 drop in UB skipping their drop isn't going to be as harsh of a penalty for your opponents.

Still a cool card

 

[OnPoint]

Oh shit.

Meow. Control seems like it would love this.

 

[Firemind]

Oh shit.

LOL it actually does completely nothing. How sad.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Not quite as oh shit as I thought at first glance. By the time you're dropping a 6 drop in UB skipping their drop isn't going to be as harsh of a penalty for your opponents.

Still a cool card

ghost quarter and path to exile just got a lot better, too bad it's not in standard. Though they can always fail to find if they want to.

Why don't big eldrazi's have ingest though?

 

[Joe Molotov]

I'm gonna draft lands in BfZ exclusively at this point.

Spelllands, Manlands, what else you need?

 

[divisionbyzorro]

LOL it actually does completely nothing. How sad.

Pretty much. It's absurd in EDH though. People can't afford to stop playing lands. Does basically nothing in Standard.

 

[Firemind]

Pretty much. It's absurd in EDH though. People can't afford to stop playing lands. Does basically nothing in Standard.

Could you imagine this in a stax deck? Shame it's not legendary.

 

[Matriox]

Not quite as oh shit as I thought at first glance. By the time you're dropping a 6 drop in UB skipping their drop isn't going to be as harsh of a penalty for your opponents.

Still a cool card

I was thinking for EDH

Pretty much. It's absurd in EDH though. People can't afford to stop playing lands. Does basically nothing in Standard.

Yeah I want this for edh for sure.

 

[OnPoint]

This is a land matters set. If you guys think this doesn't do anything you're crazy

 

[duxstar]

And the final mythic spot goes to a u/b card, way to troll me wizards , way to troll

 

[DrArchon]

Sire looked cool until I realized that you're almost never gonna draw any cards with it. Cool design though and if there's a way to cheat it out early it'll be sick. just wish it had some kind of protection other than 7 toughness.

 

[Shuggananas]

Oh shit.

6 mana ? Eh.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Oh shit.

Why couldn't we just get like a 2-mana 1/4 eldrazi that just has the first half of that ability >:|

 

[Boogalogist]

Oh shit.

Wow...this is nuts in EDH. Yummy.

That rumored blighted land is awesome too if true.

 

[Shuggananas]

oh and if opponent has an infinite landfall combo (or close to infinite) he can fuck up your library real bad, you are forced to draw 2 cards lol
Well I guess he fucks his own library too because of the exile 2 but eh

 

[Firemind]

This is a land matters set. If you guys think this doesn't do anything you're crazy

Lands matter. Unless your opponent gets to draw two cards for every land you play. Let's be realistic here.

 

[Matriox]

Id kind of like to rush it out around t4 though and see what happens. Might be cool to ramp to quickly.

 

[ultron87]

I like the effect and the anti-Zendikar flavor is nice, but would certainly like it better if it punished lands in hand somehow.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

the sad thing though is now with certainty there really aren't many mythics I actually want.

Basically the walkers and that's it. There isn't even a single ally creature mythic, not counting Gideon.

 

[OnPoint]

Lands matter. Unless your opponent gets to draw two cards for every land you play. Let's be realistic here.

We'll see. 6 mana is tough but at the least it could be a mirror breaker in standard. Landfall will be big in draft making this a bomb.

 

[Joe Molotov]

the sad thing though is now with certainty there really aren't many mythics I actually want.

Basically the walkers and that's it. There isn't even a single ally creature mythic, not counting Gideon.

Drana is an Ally.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Sire looked cool until I realized that you're almost never gonna draw any cards with it. Cool design though and if there's a way to cheat it out early it'll be sick. just wish it had some kind of protection other than 7 toughness.

Pretty much every card that lets you cheat something out early costs like 6 to begin with. Or kills the creature in question e.g. Through the Breach.

 

[Firemind]

We'll see. 6 mana is tough but at the least it could be a mirror breaker in standard. Landfall will be big in draft making this a bomb.

But it's not a win condition. It's just a big dumb eldrazi with a taxing ability. A minor setback. Not a big bomb in the slightest.

 

[Shuggananas]

We'll see. 6 mana is tough but at the least it could be a mirror breaker in standard. Landfall will be big in draft making this a bomb.

yeah but draft is draft and that's a mythic lol

 

[OnPoint]

But it's not a win condition. It's just a big dumb eldrazi with a taxing ability. A minor setback. Not a big bomb in the slightest.

A 5/7 that refills your hand at the cost of your opponent using one of the major strategies in the format isn't a bomb? Is Blue Black suddenly not the color combo that would most want to fill its hand with answers and options? I don't think this is going to outright win games on stats alone, but it's a probable powerful card draw engine card that demands an answer.

 

[ThLunarian]

Oh shit.

I think you guys are severely underestimating this card. It's not as good if you're behind (although it's a good blocker), but if you're at parity with your opponent and they can't immediately remove this, the game gets put away completely.

 

[Firemind]

A 5/7 that refills your hand at the cost of your opponent using one of the major strategies in the format isn't a bomb? Is Blue Black suddenly not the color combo that would most want to fill its hand with answers and options? I don't think this is going to outright win games on stats alone, but it's a probable powerful card draw engine card that demands an answer.

It's a bit like Browbeat. You're not likely going to get what you want. Either your opponent will happily play spells and deal with it later at some point or you're so far behind the two cards are not going to matter.

 

[OnPoint]

It's a bit like Browbeat. You're not likely going to get what you want. Either your opponent will happily play spells and deal with it later at some point or you're so far behind the two cards are not going to matter.

It's all relative. Yeah, there will be times it's like Browbeat and you lose on the bargain. Then there will be times you drop it on turn 6 and your opponent is faced with the choice of staying at 5 lands (god forbid they miss a land drop) and constricting their options or giving you two cards to advance their board.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Yeah; think about what you would do if you saw this on the other side of the table. You would look at it, say "huh, that's a 5/7" and stop playing lands. Or you just kill it, then play your land for turn.

The text on the card is only a marginal upside. I can't remember the last time a 6 mana 5/7 with no evasion would be playable.

 

[Angry Grimace]

A 5/7 that refills your hand at the cost of your opponent using one of the major strategies in the format isn't a bomb? Is Blue Black suddenly not the color combo that would most want to fill its hand with answers and options? I don't think this is going to outright win games on stats alone, but it's a probable powerful card draw engine card that demands an answer.

It doesn't refill your hand.

Your opponent gets an option of not giving you any cards for no real penalty other than not going up in lands (on turn 5 or 6).

I think you guys are severely underestimating this card. It's not as good if you're behind (although it's a good blocker), but if you're at parity with your opponent and they can't immediately remove this, the game gets put away completely.

It doesn't actually do anything to lock your opponent out of playing Magic or responding to it unless they already missed a bunch of land drops, in which case its win-more.

 

[Firemind]

Elesh Norn was playable and she costs seven. :3

 

[DashReindeer]

Yeah; think about what you would do if you saw this on the other side of the table. You would look at it, say "huh, that's a 5/7" and stop playing lands. Or you just kill it, then play your land for turn.

The text on the card is only a marginal upside. I can't remember the last time a 6 mana 5/7 with no evasion would be playable.

Yeah, this cards certainly seems like a huge step down from Consecrated Sphinx. With Sphinx, unless they kill it the turn you cast it, you will get value out of it. For this guy, I think most players would happily hold back their land drops until they had removal in hand. I can't see this as anything other than a slightly pushed punisher card. Sure, it punishes players for doing one of the most essential elements of the game, but even still, you are leaving the choice in your opponents' hands most of the time. I can't really think of a situation in EDH where you'd want this over Consecrated Sphinx.

 

[OnPoint]

We'll see how it plays out I guess. I feel like this will be better than you guys think, but I've misevaluated stuff in the past like we all have.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Elesh Norn was playable and she costs seven. :3

That's because you win pretty much immediately if you cast Elesh Norn

 

[Socat]

Oh shit.

Now if he exiled some opponents land when he ETB, it would be amazing,

 

[A Serious Man]

In the current format? Yeah, it's a bulk mythic, it comes down too late.

In a format where U/B can actually ramp with eldrazi scions and get it down on turn 4 or 5? It could be pretty vicious. We'll just have to see, I'm not really sold on it but it could be decent. It's pretty brutal on fetches as well.

 

[WanderingWind]

Yeah, as history has shown us, 6 drops just come down too la....bwhahahahahaha.

And if you're ever so behind that getting 2 free cards isn't enough to stabilize you, nothing short of an uncontested Revelation was going to save you anyway.

 

[duxstar]

So valorous stance will be an awesome card in this new format won't it. Protect my Eldrazi bomb or destroy yours seems ok.

 

[Angry Grimace]

So valorous stance will be an awesome card in this new format won't it. Protect my Eldrazi bomb or destroy yours seems ok.

The last format was about giant fuck-off dragons who were pretty much all better than the Eldrazi.

 

[y2dvd]

Oh shit.

Thumbs down in both standard and EDH. Should've been something like, "if land enters the battlefield this turn, blah blah blah. You can only do this once per turn." Without good land destruction, the opponent would probably have all the land they need by the time you casted it.

In EDH I rather just play Consecrated Sphinx. That's way more likely to trigger and way more often.

 

[Firemind]

Consecrated Sphinx is a dumb card in EDH though.

 

[duxstar]

Also remember what I said , keep an eye out on the creatures that can block and trade with the new eldrazi to see which cards might be playable in standard.

5/7 blocks and trades with most of the rare eldrazi, its part of the reason I think Siege Rhino will see less play. In a world of 4/4s a 4/5 was king, in a world of 5/5s oblivion Sower, this guy , ulamog etc are the top dogs now

 

[Firemind]

Silumgar can just mind control an eldrazi. Silumgar don't care.

And Atarka is bigger than most eldrazi. :lol