Marshal Sutcliffe and LSV podcast with BFZ common/uncommon reviews http://lrcast.com/limited-resources-303-battle-for-zendikar-set-review-commons-and-uncommons/
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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
excuse me but you missed the biggest part 2 murderous cuts.
Also pain lands + sun droplets in Lantern Control moment was hype af in GP Oklahoma
"God's Beard!"
Member
Suttcliffe has a good grasp of limited philosophy in general. As a player one of his weaknesses is that he doesn't listen to his own advice and he makes plays without thinking things through. He's a theorycrafter
I still resent him for not opening the pack I gave him for his podcast :-(
Thats why preordering cards before a set release is super risky
A Serious Man
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He's a better host than he is a player, he's still decent though.
Marshall has been doing those reviews for awhile and has a pretty good grasp on stuff. Especially for newer drafters he has a lot of good advice. Judging by the cards you see end up in decks at prereleases/early set drafts I feel like a lot of people could up their Limited game quite a bit by listening to a set review show like this, just to have a good baseline for card evaluation.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Blah I'm torn. On the one hand, BFZ prerelease is a good excuse to go check out the game store in town now that I've moved
On the other hand
Sealed
On the other hand
Sealed
You don't like sealed?
Whats wrong with you?
I wish I could play sealed more than just at prereleases
divisionbyzorro
Member
As a software engineer by trade, I don't even want to think about what the internal code of MTGO must look like:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
THG Sealed is one of the best limited formats. Single player sealed is basically the worst. I was more positive before I tried an Origins Sealed event on MTGO earlier this week and suddenly remembered just how shitty a Sealed pool can get
SigmasonicX
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As a software engineer by trade, I don't even want to think about what the internal code of MTGO must look like:
Obviously, different art = different coders.
GOAT format.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Hmmm none of the game stores in Denver look particularly appealing at first glance, at least not to make the trip in. Guess I'm going to one of the two stores here in Boulder
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
But isn't it exiting how far you can get with a shitty card pool?
Like I played UWg for Dragons of Tarkir and thought it was my best deck yet and only went 2-2 but come origins I went green and got the worst creatures imaginable made the best I could out of it which isn't much and went 3-1.
My LGS only plays 4 rounds.
divisionbyzorro
Member
It was stupidly good in Randy's first draft. Did they cut all of the crusades and/or token generators?
Giant Panda
Member
Now, I only had a class on Java in high school, but that still seems ridiculous to me if these things work as I think they would work. Why would the code differ at all between the two instances except for what image file is referenced?
Yep. I played a casual KTK Team Sealed tournament a couple of months ago, and it was epic. My team didn't win, but at least I won every game I played. 3x Abzan Guide too strong
SigmasonicX
Member
I was being facetious, it isn't something that makes sense.
It remained unchanged. It's just that other decks have gotten new toys to play with. You basically have to goldfish and hope your opponent doesn't draw his/her mass removal.
Edit: In my second draft, my opponent payed twenty life with Toxic Deluge to kill a Marit Lage token. :lol
Etrian Oddity
Member
I can't believe I'm gonna say it, but I'm warming up to Battle for Zendikar, now that it's truly hitting how big of a power reset it's gonna be. Theros had a ton of explosive, munchkin cards, so it'll be nice to see less of a "blow you outta the water" environment.
Temur is still gonna be a tool in my pocket; but I'm going on record as switching to Sultai for BfZ, at least to begin. Delve still has some really strong synergy, and the loss of explosive Theros plays will even the grindy playing field until people figure out BfZ.
Red(G) Deck Wins will always be there to pain us in the neck, tho.
Anyone else wanna sound off on their "chosen one" deck entering the new rotation?
Temur is still gonna be a tool in my pocket; but I'm going on record as switching to Sultai for BfZ, at least to begin. Delve still has some really strong synergy, and the loss of explosive Theros plays will even the grindy playing field until people figure out BfZ.
Red(G) Deck Wins will always be there to pain us in the neck, tho.
Anyone else wanna sound off on their "chosen one" deck entering the new rotation?
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Well, I'm officially registered for the pre-release. What's cool is that my local store is offering a free BfZ playmat, deck case, and the artist of the playmat will be there for signatures. I'm not sure if that's normal or if it's specific to my store but it's new from the last time I did a pre-release years ago. Also, I like how the promo cards are random now. It would be insane to get an Expedition promo card, if that's even possible.
A Serious Man
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I'm leaning towards some sort of Kiora Sultai build as my tier 1 deck of choice. It may turn into Temur, really just depends on how Kiora ends up playing.
divisionbyzorro
Member
It's absurd that their card architecture doesn't allow for different versions of the same functional card. It's part of the core of the game - reprints happen all the time!
There are a many explanations that could account for the two cards not functioning the same. It could be something as simple as the promo version not having the triggered ability flag set in it's datafile. So for people to whine over that one error as meaning something horrible about the architecture of MTGO, well that's just ridiculous.
SigmasonicX
Member
Well I mean, that still means that they don't keep the card data separate from the art data.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's pretty simple: even if they work the same they are not considered the same item in modo.
No, they are technically not a part of the Battle for Zendikar set.
Wow, that's really cool. Definitely not a normal thing.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The free shit sounds awesome. Legion Games in Minnesota used to be a big enough deal that we got artists every pre-release, and even Forsythe gunslinging once, but they stopped that after Scars block I think
manipulate
Member
I can't be bothered registering for a prerelease. Are the morning or afternoon ones more likely to have free spots?
Giant Panda
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Temur could be pretty good. 2 drop Rattleclaw, 3 drop Knux, 4 drop Woodland Wanderer or Kiora, 5 drop Sarkhan or OG Surrak. Pretty nice threat curve.
divisionbyzorro
Member
There's no reason for them to be separate cards. They should be the same card with separate presentations. This is very simple design/architecture philosophy, and it's endemic of the sloppy design and coding of MTGO.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Just played my first phantomdraft on MODO and it's okay.
Being able to easily phantomdraft is awesome. My opponent and I were both figuring MODO out as we go round 1. He sacced his Nantuko Husks to itself 3 times.
I was playing UW Tutelage and it was awesome, that card is so powerful in limited. If you combine it with multiple binding chains and claustrophobias there's not much your opponent can do if he hasn't beaten you down in the first couple turns.
And Willbreaker is so incredibly useless. I've seen many streamers try drafting around it and played against it both just now and in real life, it's naught.
Has anyone thought about making BUGw Awaken control?
Being able to easily phantomdraft is awesome. My opponent and I were both figuring MODO out as we go round 1. He sacced his Nantuko Husks to itself 3 times.
I was playing UW Tutelage and it was awesome, that card is so powerful in limited. If you combine it with multiple binding chains and claustrophobias there's not much your opponent can do if he hasn't beaten you down in the first couple turns.
And Willbreaker is so incredibly useless. I've seen many streamers try drafting around it and played against it both just now and in real life, it's naught.
Has anyone thought about making BUGw Awaken control?
Athreous
Member
First Battle for Zendikar Pre release kit unboxing guys!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shK8iLKAjGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shK8iLKAjGo
I will wait to see before I commit to any deck , abzan splashing bring to the light is absurd.
It has the best answers left to hangarback walker in abzan charm and and utter end. Then it has the ability to go find siege rhinos at any point , and even find languish and Planar outburst when the time comes
There have been 3 or 4 type of decks I've come across online
Super aggro - mostly mono red , but some go black red to flood the board and then land the blood artist guy so that a board wipe just kills you.
Landfall aggro - swiftspear , scythe leopard, atarkas command etc, basically like most zoo decks you can think of.
Blue/black control , basically all awaken cards.deck that just tries to counter /exile all of your things to get to the late game and then awaken their lands.
Then there's Abzan , which people don't even try to brew with , basically it has the best removal spells for your cards and has the best cards that need to be answered, Siege Rhinos, Hangarback walkers and Languish , Abzan Charm ,Ruinous Path,;;;
, utter end . Except now they splash for even better cards in crackling doom and GBs deck even splashes bring the light for an answer on a stick. Board is overwhelming ? BTL for languish, losing too much life ? Go get siege rhinos #2 and #3.
None of these decks are interesting to me, graveyard stuff is dead because all the exiling effects and an Eldrazi deck reminds me of g/r, only now your mana dorks suck.
The hardest part for me to accept is that hangarback walker is everywhere , and there arent enough answers for it. It's to the point where I've thought about running 4 stasis snare and 4 silkwraps in the sideboard. Countering it is futile on the draw.
Maybe this set just isn't for me, in the past I knew I had cards I could rely on, and gw was pretty viable, but it appears that it's not viable. I'll just wait and see what other people come up with and see if anything tickles my fancy.
It has the best answers left to hangarback walker in abzan charm and and utter end. Then it has the ability to go find siege rhinos at any point , and even find languish and Planar outburst when the time comes
There have been 3 or 4 type of decks I've come across online
Super aggro - mostly mono red , but some go black red to flood the board and then land the blood artist guy so that a board wipe just kills you.
Landfall aggro - swiftspear , scythe leopard, atarkas command etc, basically like most zoo decks you can think of.
Blue/black control , basically all awaken cards.deck that just tries to counter /exile all of your things to get to the late game and then awaken their lands.
Then there's Abzan , which people don't even try to brew with , basically it has the best removal spells for your cards and has the best cards that need to be answered, Siege Rhinos, Hangarback walkers and Languish , Abzan Charm ,Ruinous Path,;;;
, utter end . Except now they splash for even better cards in crackling doom and GBs deck even splashes bring the light for an answer on a stick. Board is overwhelming ? BTL for languish, losing too much life ? Go get siege rhinos #2 and #3.
None of these decks are interesting to me, graveyard stuff is dead because all the exiling effects and an Eldrazi deck reminds me of g/r, only now your mana dorks suck.
The hardest part for me to accept is that hangarback walker is everywhere , and there arent enough answers for it. It's to the point where I've thought about running 4 stasis snare and 4 silkwraps in the sideboard. Countering it is futile on the draw.
Maybe this set just isn't for me, in the past I knew I had cards I could rely on, and gw was pretty viable, but it appears that it's not viable. I'll just wait and see what other people come up with and see if anything tickles my fancy.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
There's something magical about seeing someone opening cards so excitedly. Something I've lost.
Is GW megamorph dead?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Edit: double post
charlequin
Banned
As a software engineer by trade, I don't even want to think about what the internal code of MTGO must look like:
Sweet baby Jesus.
Team sealed is the single best limited format, even over draft. 2HG is pretty good too.
Etrian Oddity
Member
All you lucky suckers going into the prerelease and official releases, lol. My ass still gotta wait till the 9th to get in on the fun. XD
charlequin
Banned
Maro trying and failing to convince people that Gatherer only returning Devoid cards when you search for colorless is actually smart and correct is like a microcosm of the whole reaction to this set.
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