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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)

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SigmasonicX

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hort said:
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This is probably one of my favorite pieces of art in this set. The visual of the pregnant flying eldrazi with its "baby" looking to bust out of its sac and fall to earth is really really really
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Yeah, that's one of my favorite "messed up" Eldrazi art pieces in the set.
 
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A Serious Man

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Arksy said:
Finished my midnight prerelaeses in Australia going 1-5. I had the worst most shambolic deck imaginable. Barely any good pulls in my packs, I want the seeded packs back. :(

I also want skill and the ability to properly evaluate cards but you can't have everything.
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What rares did you pull? Any advice for the rest of us about the format?
 
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Matriox

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Bandini said:
They outright said it's about 1 expedition in every 200 packs. So, 1 in every 5.5 boxes or so.
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I only remember them saying outright that they would be less rare than foil mythics, but my point was based on that small sample size anyways. I don't think they'll be that many pulled on average, I was just doing math with the numbers given was all.

ultron87 said:
I wonder if they ratchet up the Expedition rate a bit for the prerelease. I've suspected that in the past based on seeing how many mythics get opened at prereleases (but that is entirely anecdotal).
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I also wondered this.
 
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Firemind

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For us non-prerelease goers, MTGO sucks!

First draft, draft Griselbrand, Emrakul and Dark Depths in the first pack. No enablers whatsoever.

Second draft, draft Splinter Twin p1p1. Nothing.

It's one of those days, isn't it?
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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Of course the one sitting opposite me opens a misty rainforest...


I'm gonna go cry in a corner over there


Also wouldn't be a prerelease if I didn't get 2 rare lands I don't even get to play.

Anyways those of you who mg for numbers it were 5 expeditions for 140 attendees. No prices given out yet so could end up being more.
 
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Hackworth

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I'm supposed to be at a prerelease right now, but thanks to Wizards' recent sham-fucking-bolic ability to actually get cards from the US to NZ, like 50% of the local prereleases have been canceled due to no stock.

My prerelease is now scheduled for this time next week. Tell me your MVP commons and uncommons.

For those keeping score, that's Dragons of Tarkir and Battle for Zendikar which have failed, pre-release wise, or 2 of the past 3.
EDIT: Dragons at least the boosters showed up, BfZ is a complete wash.
 
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bigkrev

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PSA if you have played MTGO in the past- Mishra's Bauble is now worth 17 tickets, and if you were playing when Coldsnap was legal, you probably have some in your account. I was able to sell a playset for 56 tickets in less than 3 minutes today after verifying I had them.
 
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Crocodile

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Matt Watkins posted his BFZ spoiler analysis if anyone wants a statistical based approach to looking over the set and what they might mean for limited play.

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
Of course the one sitting opposite me opens a misty rainforest...

I'm gonna go cry in a corner over there

Also wouldn't be a prerelease if I didn't get 2 rare lands I don't even get to play.

Anyways those of you who mg for numbers it were 5 expeditions for 140 attendees. No prices given out yet so could end up being more.
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Someone opened a foil Tarmogoyf across from me in the 1st MM2 draft I did. I get and totally understand the salt (been there done that) but shit happens *shrug*
 
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Kacar

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Didn't realize until now that the prerelease was just a standard sealed deck as opposed to picking a color.

I've never done one of those before, interested to see how it goes.
 
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ElyrionX

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The whole fatpack situation is stupid and is just another example of Wizard's incompetence. If they don't want to control prices in the secondary market, the least they can do is force shops to stick to MSRP for sealed products.
 
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blindrocket

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ElyrionX said:
The whole fatpack situation is stupid and is just another example of Wizard's incompetence. If they don't want to control prices in the secondary market, the least they can do is force shops to stick to MSRP for sealed products.
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I'm hoping to walk into Wal-mart or Target and find one.
 
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Yeef

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ElyrionX said:
The whole fatpack situation is stupid and is just another example of Wizard's incompetence. If they don't want to control prices in the secondary market, the least they can do is force shops to stick to MSRP for sealed products.
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That's not how MSRP works. "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price"

More to the point, if stores stuck to MSRP, one of two things would happen:
Resellers would buy out stock and resell them for more.
Stores wouldn't sell any and just open the Fat Packs and sell the land packs separately.

What Wizards needed to do is realize that the Fat Packs would be more popular than a typical set and order a much larger print run on them.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You can't force a retailer to sell for X price. The MSRP is still $3.99. Target just sells it for more because they can.
 
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ZeroX03

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Went 3-2 overall. Pulled a bunch of bomb rares but the rest of my deck was pretty inconsistent so it pretty much just came down to if I pulled them. Needed search or draw of something.
 
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duxstar

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Here I am in a place that I don't know doing a prerelease in a state I don't live In and I've been drinking hard liquor which I never do, for a set that when sober I said I wasn't a fan of at all and have to be up at 11 am to go to the barbershop for the wedding I'm going too.

Yeah I'm a magic nerd lol
 
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Zaraki_Kenpachi

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Fat packs are $50-$60 at most sites now?

:lol Go fuck yourself wizards.

Angry Grimace said:
You can't force a retailer to sell for X price. The MSRP is still $3.99. Target just sells it for more because they can.
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Well, sure and it's also why some booster boxes you have to preorder or you'll be paying a pretty hefty price over what it usually is. Doesn't make wizards look any less incompetent or create any less ill will knowing they're even more incompetent than previously believed.
 
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Etrian Oddity

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My ass is totally buying that new event deck. Tasigur and Warden alone, let alone a playset of Blisterpod, Llanowar, and Walker. Crazy. Bar-none the most value WotC has ever put in a deck. Gonna drop the singles prices for me to build my paper Sultai deck too! :D
 
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ZeroX03

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A little kid (8 I think) at the prerelease pulled an expedition Steam Vents (I think). Fortunately the store owner had told everyone beforehand not to trade or sell them rashly because the buzzards were swarming and he stood strong.
 
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Hackworth

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ZeroX03 said:
A little kid (8 I think) at the prerelease pulled an expedition Steam Vents (I think). Fortunately the store owner had told everyone beforehand not to trade or sell them rashly because the buzzards were swarming and he stood strong.
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Nice. I hate when the sharks go after newbies.
 
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Arksy

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How much are fat packs for Americans? Here in Australia they MSRP for $60 generally, but you can get them $55-58 at a stretch.
 
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Crocodile

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GamerKingFaiz said:
What's wrong?
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Kirblar doesn't seem the type to just complain about a bad pool so I'm going to guess it might have been extra awkward because of parasitic mechanics of set. I remember looking it up and there are only like 9 Ingesters for like 10 Processors or something like that. I wouldn't be surprsied if lots of people at the PR were misplaying or slow playing because cards are weird but not in the fun Cube way. Rounds maybe took forever?
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Super pathetic pool and I'm tired as fuck. Gonna be a one and done.
 
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ThLunarian

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Opened a Sacred Foundry in my packs and my jaw dropped when I saw it was at 125 on SCG. I was almost not going to play in the midnight tournament but changed my mind at the last minute. Good thing! Plus I'm 2-0 so far. Should be worth the lack of sleep
 
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hort

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2-0 at the moment with a super slow bug control / awaken deck. 2 ruinous paths (one promo) puts in work.


Edit: also, the flyer that lets you scry 2 is insane
 
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kirblar

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Crocodile said:
Kirblar doesn't seem the type to just complain about a bad pool so I'm going to guess it might have been extra awkward because of parasitic mechanics of set. I remember looking it up and there are only like 9 Ingesters for like 10 Processors or something like that. I wouldn't be surprsied if lots of people at the PR were misplaying or slow playing because cards are weird but not in the fun Cube way. Rounds maybe took forever?
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Both things are happening.
 
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ElyrionX

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Arksy said:
How much are fat packs for Americans? Here in Australia they MSRP for $60 generally, but you can get them $55-58 at a stretch.
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Prices for BFZ fat packs are being jacked up by all the LGSes and are notably more expensive than what fat packs typically sell for.
 
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kirblar

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I am in a 5c awaken ramp deck. I have 0 2 drops. I have processors but now way to make them work. I have rare allies but there are barely allies in the pool. Converge is ok here but the common guy is a 3 drop competing with actual mana dudes. Everything is so siloed and parasitic in this set.
 
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Yeef

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Managed to live the dream and play Unified Front on 4 while I had Tajuru Warcaller out.

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Also, I opened rare lands in 4 of my six packs, so i ended up in GW allies splashing Red for the double striker and some removal and black for March from the Tomb.
 
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kirblar

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Devoid was a mistake. I actually defended it before playing with it, but it's so annoying to keep track of and it's absurdly counterintuitive. The feedback from the frame testing was pointing to a much deeper issue.
 
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ElyrionX

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Yeef said:
That's not how MSRP works. "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price"

More to the point, if stores stuck to MSRP, one of two things would happen:
Resellers would buy out stock and resell them for more.
Stores wouldn't sell any and just open the Fat Packs and sell the land packs separately.

What Wizards needed to do is realize that the Fat Packs would be more popular than a typical set and order a much larger print run on them.
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The solution to both of those points are to increase supply and enforce compliance via a system of penalties for non-compliance.
 
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Crocodile

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kirblar said:
Devoid was a mistake. I actually defended it before playing with it, but it's so annoying to keep track of and it's absurdly counterintuitive. The feedback from the frame testing was pointing to a much deeper issue.
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Do the frames not look "artifacty" enough in person?
 
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Yeef

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ElyrionX said:
The solution to both of those points are to increase supply and enforce compliance via a system of penalties for non-compliance.
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Increasing supply stops both issues. With increased supply, there's less demand, so there's no room to mark things up while still staying competitive.

kirblar said:
Devoid was a mistake. I actually defended it before playing with it, but it's so annoying to keep track of and it's absurdly counterintuitive. The feedback from the frame testing was pointing to a much deeper issue.
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I didn't have any issue keeping track of devoid creatures, nor did anyone else at the prerelease. I think the frame stands out quite a bit, even in person.
 
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